Commons Bill (HL). Lords third reading debate. Privilege amendment made. Debate on motion that Bill do now pass. Agreed to on question. Passed and sent to Commons with amendments.
Commons Bill [HL]
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 18 January 2006,
in the House of Lords,
led by Lord Bach.
The answering
member was Baroness Byford.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
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677 c666-718Session
2005-06Legislative stage
Third readingChamber / Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Byford | 677 c670-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for raising this matter and I have a couple of questions. In an ear...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c669-70 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 2:"After Clause 4, insert the following new clause—"
““COMMONS ADJUDICATION...
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Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c669 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. I am sure that the amendment will be noted in the ...
Lord Bach | 677 c669 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I certainly do not want to get too philosophical today, but I think that the final thing t...
Lord Tyler | 677 c668-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister. Before he sits down, will he indicate whether he suppo...
Lord Bach | 677 c667-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment would require the Government to fund the costs of commons registration autho...
Baroness Byford | 677 c667 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have sympathy with the amendment because whether—following on from the comments of the n...
Lord Williams of Elvel | 677 c667 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this matter was discussed in Committee, as the noble Lord, Lord Livsey, said, and I though...
Baroness Byford | 677 c673 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will just one panel cover the whole of England? How do the Government view this panel oper...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 677 c671-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, send good wishes to the noble Countess, Lady Mar, for a speedy recovery, as will t...
Lord Brabazon of Tara | 677 c674 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is it your Lordships’ pleasure that this amendment be withdrawn?
Lord Bach | 677 c674-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 3:"Page 5, line 9, at end insert—"
““( ) where the severance is authorised...
Lord Brabazon of Tara | 677 c674 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Question is that this amendment be agreed to. As many as are of that opinion will say,...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c673-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. Of course we accept what she says about the panel ...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 677 c673 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there would be one panel, from which people could be drawn. Obviously, they could move, bu...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c674 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I know the noble Lord quite well and I think that he makes an important point. But I am su...
Lord Greaves | 677 c671 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment and I wish to address the two government amendments ...
Lord Bach | 677 c681 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who have spoken in this debate on the amendments in the name ...
Earl Peel | 677 c681 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will they create a similar response through the course of the NERC Bill?
Lord Tyler | 677 c678-80 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I share the concerns of the noble Lord, Lord Williams, and I support the amendments to whi...
Duke of Montrose | 677 c680-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, we thank the Minister for all his co-operation in what he has produced, especially ...
Baroness Lockwood | 677 c684 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are discussing at the moment Amendment No. 3.
On Question, amendment agreed to.
Lord Bach | 677 c681-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we can always live in hope. Amendments Nos. 29, 30 and 31 would remove the power for Natur...
Lord Williams of Elvel | 677 c684 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thought that we were discussing the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Livsey, Amendment ...
Earl Peel | 677 c677-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before I make my few remarks on Amendment No. 28, I should just like to say that the point...
Lord Williams of Elvel | 677 c678 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with what the noble Lord, Lord Livsey, says in relation to...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c676-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, connected with this series of government amendments are our Amendments Nos. 29 to 35. We a...
Lord Bach | 677 c686-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with everything that the noble Baroness has just said. Perhaps I may say to the no...
Baroness Byford | 677 c688 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister. I certainly will pass on the relevant information rela...
Duke of Montrose | 677 c690-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 9:"Page 9, line 40, at end insert—"
““( ) This section does not apply wher...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 677 c691 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Duke raises a very interesting point, which I think is worthy of further discuss...
Lord Bach | 677 c691-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Duke may not be surprised to hear that we do not agree that charity land should ...
Duke of Montrose | 677 c693 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for bringing these various legal positions to our atten...
Lord Bach | 677 c684 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 4 to 6:"Page 5, line 10, leave out from ““Act”” to end of line 20 on page 6.""...
Baroness Byford | 677 c684-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 7:"Page 9, line 2, leave out ““the relevant period”” and insert ““twelve months ...
Lord Renton | 677 c686 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is surely significant that at the Third Reading of this important Bill, the Opposition ...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 677 c686 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, unfortunately, in this instance we cannot support the first amendment to which the noble B...
Baroness Byford | 677 c697-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for putting forward his amendments and, particularly, for saying that...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c697 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister referred to a governing body. Was that in relation only to a statutory common...
Earl of Caithness | 677 c697 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for the clarifications the noble Lord has introduced today. How many members...
Lord Plumb | 677 c695 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister. The reassurance is most acceptable.
On Question, amendment...
Lord Bach | 677 c695-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 15:"Page 17, line 37, at end insert—"
““(aa) participation in the associatio...
Lord Plumb | 677 c694-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have had a good and full explanation of this matter. Once we talk about rights, howev...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 677 c694 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 14:"Page 16, line 33, leave out from ““persons”” to ““land”” and insert ““having...
Baroness Byford | 677 c694 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we debated this fully earlier, and I am grateful to the Minister.
Lord Bach | 677 c693-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 10 to 13:"Page 14, line 37, leave out ““9”” and insert ““8””""Page 14, line 37...
Duke of Montrose | 677 c702-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, after the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, I must declare my interest as a Highland...
Lord Bach | 677 c703 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it has been a very interesting debate. I thank the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, in particular, ...
Lord Bach | 677 c703 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 22:"Page 19, line 31, leave out ““membership of, or””"
On Question, amendment a...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c704-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 23:"After Clause 37, insert the following new clause—"
““FEDERATIONS OF COM...
Lord Bach | 677 c699-700 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 16 to 19:"Page 18, line 1, leave out ““election of members”” and insert ““appo...
Lord Bach | 677 c700-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 20:"Page 19, line 24, at end insert ““(including by applying for funds from any ...
Lord Tyler | 677 c701-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to respond to the Minister’s advocacy of his Amendment No. 20 and also, as he has a...
Lord Williams of Elvel | 677 c702 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I disagree with the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, and agree with my noble friend, whose amendmen...
Lord Tyler | 677 c699 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I endorse what the noble Baroness said about the two-level federal structure—if I dare use...
Lord Bach | 677 c699 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. We will take this bac...
Duke of Montrose | 677 c713 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I express my thanks and those of my noble friend Lady Byford to the Minister for taking on...
Lord Bach | 677 c712-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 36:"Page 35, line 32, leave out paragraph (a) and insert—"
““(a) throughout ...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c712 (Link to this contribution)
had given notice of his intention to move Amendment No. 29:"Line 8, leave out paragraphs (b) and (c)...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 677 c712 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment No. 29 is an amendment to Amendment No. 28. Is that not being moved?
Lord Bach | 677 c710-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 28:"Before Schedule 1, insert the following new schedule—"
““AUTHORISED SEVERAN...
Lord Bach | 677 c710 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 26 and 27:"Page 31, line 13, leave out ““Subsection (7) of section 9”” and ins...
Lord Bach | 677 c710 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 25:"Page 31, line 3, leave out ““sections 9,”” and insert ““section 9 and Schedu...
Lord Greaves | 677 c710 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for doing as much as I hoped that she might do today. O...
Lord Greaves | 677 c714-5 (Link to this contribution)
had given notice of his intention to move, as an amendment to Amendment No. 37, Amendment No. 38:"Li...
Lord Bach | 677 c713-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 37:"Page 40, line 21, leave out from beginning to ““section”” and insert ““In it...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 677 c707 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that I have made myself plain. There is a voluntary association in Wales. Nothing i...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c707 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank those who have spoken in this debate. I hope that the noble Lord, Lord Renton, und...
Lord Renton | 677 c708 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, would the noble Lord please explain how it can be said that some commons associations are ...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c707-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it might interest the Minister to learn that I spent two hours of my Sunday discussing thi...
Lord Renton | 677 c705 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I broadly rather support the amendment. However, can the noble Lord explain how it is that...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 677 c705-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was surprised by the noble Lord, Lord Livsey. He knows, as I do, that ““here be dragons”...
Baroness Byford | 677 c705 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have had the debate on the earlier amendment so I shall not go through it. I have reser...
Lord Greaves | 677 c708-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 24:"Page 27, line 14, at end insert—"
““( ) Where subsection (1) applies a...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c708 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the formation of statutory commons is contained in the Bill. Encouragement for voluntary c...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 677 c709-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understand why the noble Lord would like on record the contents of the letter sent by my...
Lord Judd | 677 c715-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hesitate to intervene at the eleventh hour plus, on a Bill that I have so warmly welcome...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c716 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I associate with my friend’s remarks on behalf of the whole Front Bench and everyone who h...
Lord Tyler | 677 c716 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I endorse what has been said by my noble friend Lord Greaves from a different part of the ...
Lord Bach | 677 c717 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is ironic that we should end this Bill on a point of honestly stated disagreement, bear...
Baroness Byford | 677 c717 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am looking around to see whether anyone else wants to come in. I hope that the Minister ...
Lord Bach | 677 c717 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill do now pass.
Moved, That the Bill do now pass.—(Lord Bach.)
Lord Bach | 677 c717 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 39:"Page 40, line 22, leave out from ““shall”” to ““have”” in line 23."
On Ques...
Lord Williams of Elvel | 677 c717-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we used to have in this House a debate on the Motion that the Bill do now pass. Sometimes ...
Lord Bach | 677 c718 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank both noble Lords for their most kind remarks.
On Question, Bill passed, and sent ...
Lord Livsey of Talgarth | 677 c666 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:"Page 2, line 41, at end insert—"
““(4) There shall be a duty on the Secre...
Lord Grocott | 677 c666 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have it in command from Her Majesty the Queen and His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales...
Earl of Caithness | 677 c666 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, should the Minister in his benevolence decide that he accepts this amendment, I hope that ...
Lord Williams of Elvel | 677 c674 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the noble Lord decides what he wishes to do with this amendment, he said that it wa...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 677 c695 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, unless inspiration comes to me, the noble Lord, Lord Plumb, is using his longer experience...
Lord Chorley | 677 c718 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was brought up like the noble Lord, Lord Williams of Elvel, perhaps because I have been ...
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