Illegal Migration Bill

Lord Scriven | 830 cc1444-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in favour of Amendment 58, which I put my name to, moved by my noble friend Lad...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 cc1446-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise in support of Amendment 58. I am sorry that I could not be at the Grand Committe...

Lord German | 830 cc1447-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment, at its heart, is about the Government’s proposal to exempt housing for ...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 830 cc1448-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, and the noble Lord, Lord Scriven, for moving t...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 c1449 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I acknowledge the gracious compliments paid by the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, to my n...

Lord Scriven | 830 c1449 (Link to this contribution)

I notice that in the statutory instrument there is no impact assessment. The Minister has just re...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 c1449 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord asks a highly detailed numerical question, and he will not be surprised to know th...

Baroness Ludford | 830 c1449 (Link to this contribution)

A ballpark figure would do.

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 c1449 (Link to this contribution)

We will do our best to provide one in short order in writing to the noble Lord, if that would be ...

Lord Scriven | 830 c1450 (Link to this contribution)

It would be acceptable to me, but time and time again, the noble and learned Lord has reiterated ...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 c1450 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I repeat that I will endeavour to provide an answer to the noble Lord.

The use of...

Lord Scriven | 830 c1450 (Link to this contribution)

We have answers that the noble Baroness, Lady Scott, gave to us in writing after we had asked the...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 cc1450-2 (Link to this contribution)

“Similar” does not mean “the same”. I will endeavour to answer questions raised by the noble Lord...

Lord Scriven | 830 c1452 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble and learned Lord for giving way again. I asked this in Grand Committee and do s...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 cc1452-3 (Link to this contribution)

Again, the noble Lord asks a question of some detail and I will, with his leave, respond in writi...

Lord German | 830 c1453 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder if the noble and learned Lord could answer my question about the devolved Administration...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 c1453 (Link to this contribution)

I beg the noble Lord’s pardon; I meant to answer that question and sought specific information fr...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 c1453 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not going to say very much. Many Members are waiting to consider the large number ...

Lord German | 830 c1454 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord German

58B: Clause 10, page 14, line 5, leave out “and (3)” and insert ...

Lord German | 830 cc1454-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as Amendments 61, 62 and 66 are consequential to Amendment 58B, I will speak to all thr...

Lord Scriven | 830 cc1456-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 59B, 61A, 64B, 66A and 79C in my name.

Amendments 61A...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 830 c1458 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have only two questions to put to the Minister. I reinforce the remarks of the noble ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 830 cc1458-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make two quite separate points. I pick up on what the noble Lord just said; h...

Bishop of Southwark | 830 cc1459-1460 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 61 and 62 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord German, and welcome ...

Lord Etherton | 830 cc1460-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 69 is in my name. I am very grateful to those who have co-signed it: the nobl...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 c1461 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise in support of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Etherton, whose Amendment 69 I ha...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 830 c1461 (Link to this contribution)

Is that not precisely what the Vienna convention on the interpretation of treaties provides for: ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 c1462 (Link to this contribution)

Well done. Article 35 continues:

“In order to enable the Office of the High Commissioner or...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 830 c1462 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but this is not an Oxford Union intervention. There is a clear distinction between an...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 c1462 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful, obviously, to the noble Lord for his intervention. I repeat:

“The Contr...

Baroness Brinton | 830 cc1462-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 70A in this group is in my name and also signed by my noble friend Lord Germa...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c1464 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was going to ask this question in the next group, but it is more appropriate to ask i...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 830 cc1464-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly on Amendment 69 in the name of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Et...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 830 cc1465-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid I rise again to make a point that really should not have to be made. I made...

Baroness Ludford | 830 c1466 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti, does not want to take that opportunity, I would quite li...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 c1466 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness and the noble Lord. Acoustics are not always with me. I liter...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 830 c1466 (Link to this contribution)

I may have misheard, but I thought I heard “interpret”. I think that other noble Lords did as wel...

Baroness Ludford | 830 c1466 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is a good lawyer and I am not, and I know that time is pressing on. However, it sa...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 830 c1466 (Link to this contribution)

I am not focusing on the supervisory duty. For these purposes it does not matter whether we have ...

Lord Etherton | 830 c1467 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I could just add to all of this. I am sorry to do so; it is a bit unseemly for the lawyer...

Lord Coaker | 830 cc1467-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am slightly nervous to stand up here. On a serious point, I want to say a few brief w...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc1468-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have heard, these amendments bring us on to the issue of detention. The amendment...

Lord Scriven | 830 c1470 (Link to this contribution)

If the central tenet of the Bill is to deter people from coming to the UK, why are the Government...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1470 (Link to this contribution)

I can imagine the noble Lord’s response if we did not expand detention centres. The point is that...

Lord Etherton | 830 c1470 (Link to this contribution)

I asked whether confirmation could be given that the Government will adhere to the 18 minimum con...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1471 (Link to this contribution)

As I have already indicated, the standards that will be adhered to are those prescribed already i...

Baroness Brinton | 830 c1471 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder if I could ask the Minister two questions. The first relates to his comment before last ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1471 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, certainly. In response to those two points, as the noble Baroness will have seen, we will di...

Baroness Brinton | 830 c1471 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord with regard to the first issue. I wondered if there was actual data on the...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1472 (Link to this contribution)

Because the powers in the Bill are obviously not yet in force, I cannot answer as to whether ther...

Baroness Brinton | 830 c1472 (Link to this contribution)

I am really sorry to prolong this. The noble Lord referred to the national transfer scheme. There...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1472 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy that the noble Baroness has asked me that question. I am delighted to say that, a...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 830 c1472 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister. My question rather builds on what the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1472 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord. I am sorry that I did not answer that question. The relevan...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 830 c1472 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, may I press the Minister on the issue of disabled asylum seekers? I raised this specifi...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1473 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness raises an important point. It is obviously right that our guidance reflects th...

Lord German | 830 c1473 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very interesting debate, not least because I have seen two lawyers agre...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1473 (Link to this contribution)

As I hope I made clear, once the Bill is passed, the direction will need to be updated, rather th...

Lord German | 830 cc1473-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his answer. It would be helpful to know whether the matter of capacity o...

Lord German | 830 c1474 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord German

58C: Clause 10, page 14, line 9, leave out “suspects” and insert...

Lord German | 830 cc1474-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now move to the second area of Clause 10, which is about the powers of detention. Th...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 830 c1475 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to accept the invitation of the noble Lord, Lord German, as another lawyer...

Baroness Mobarik | 830 cc1476-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 59, 63, 64 and 67 standing in my name. I am immensely grate...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 cc1478-1480 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support these amendments generally, in particular those in the name of the noble Baro...

Baroness Helic | 830 cc1479-1481 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 59, 63, 64 and 67. I believe these are measured and proportionate ...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 cc1481-3 (Link to this contribution)

I remember well when the detention of children was ended by legislation. I visited Cedars, the pr...

Bishop of Southwark | 830 cc1483-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of Amendments 59, 63, 64 and 67 which, as has been demonstrated, hav...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 830 cc1484-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was a powerful intervention by the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Southwark,...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 830 c1486 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at this hour, I do not propose to repeat anything that has been said, so splendidly and...

Baroness Sugg | 830 cc1486-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly in support of Amendment 59 and its accompanying amendments. We hav...

Lord Scriven | 830 c1487 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 60 and 65 in my name. I thank my noble friend Lord German an...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 830 cc1487-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Scriven, and to speak specifically to t...

Lord Coaker | 830 cc1488-1490 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow a number of the contributions to this debate. I shall conce...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1490 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 10 is an integral part of ensuring the success of this Bill, both as a deterrent...

Lord Coaker | 830 c1490 (Link to this contribution)

Will those regulations be available, even in draft form, before Report?

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc1491-2 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly take that request back to the department.

Along with a new timescale under...

Lord Coaker | 830 c1492 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, can I clarify that the 13,000 figure was not just in respect of un...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c1492 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that clarification.

Lord German | 830 c1492 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been an interesting debate in which it appears there has been one speaker agains...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c1492 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Lister of Burtersett

68: Clause 10, page 17, line 18, leave out fro...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c1493 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also speak briefly to Amendment 70, which is also in my name. Before I start, I ...

830 c1493 (Link to this contribution)

Hear, hear!

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 cc1493-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Gloucester, who sends her apologie...

Bishop of Southwark | 830 cc1494-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Lister, who has expertly outl...

Baroness Gohir | 830 cc1497-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Baroness, Lady Lister, for putting forward Amendments 68 and 70, to which I have ad...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 c1498 (Link to this contribution)

Good morning, my Lords. I hope all Members of the Committee—it is a large group; larger than usua...

Lord Scriven | 830 c1499 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is ironic that we are talking about detention when the Government Front Bench is try...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 830 cc1499-1500 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in 1979, when I was a young Member of another place, the then Conservative Government r...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 830 cc1500-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin with an apology to the noble Lord, Lord Scriven, because, had I spotted Amendme...

Baroness Sugg | 830 cc1501-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have co-signed Amendment 68, which, as we have heard, would keep the existing protect...

Lord German | 830 c1503 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been another interesting debate in which there has been one side only, and we ...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 830 cc1503-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one of the major items in the Bill is the extension of the 72-hour detention of pregnan...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 c1504 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group deals with the detention of pregnant women and the use of reasonable force t...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 830 c1504 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister continues, can he tell me where that will appear in writing? An assurance in ...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 cc1504-7 (Link to this contribution)

It will be in Hansard, the official record.

The document from which the noble Baroness, Lad...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 cc1505-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first of all, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken. All, apart from the Minister, sp...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 830 c1508 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the noble Baroness. Any oversight was entirely a failure on my part. I will review...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c1508 (Link to this contribution)

It is perfectly acceptable. I was just going to suggest that the Minister do that. I do not blame...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 830 c1508 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich

71: Clause 11, page 17, leave out lines 32 to 36