Illegal Migration Bill

My Lords, to help the Minister with the questions he has just been asked, can I add a quite strai...

My question is even more simple: where is the impact assessment? I think the purpose of impact as...

My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that one of the underlying provisions that we should know abo...

I am grateful to the noble Baroness; I should have mentioned the point myself. I am concerned tha...

My Lords, it is an absolute privilege to follow such a distinguished former Permanent Secretary t...

My Lords, perhaps the Minister can help us here. Is not it the case that, without removal agreeme...

My Lords, I hesitated to come in before and I apologise for not participating at Second Reading, ...

My Lords, this Bill sets out a duty on the Secretary of State to make arrangements for the remova...

I have a very important question. The noble Lord and government Ministers keep saying from the Di...

Certain things will happen when the Bill goes through; the system described within it will take e...

If the impact assessment is to be provided in a timely way—or if not—will the Minister ensure tha...

It is not for me to dictate what is in the impact assessment. The department will provide the imp...

My Lords—

My Lords—

I think I have taken enough interventions.

Oh!

I will come back to the noble Lords in due course, but I need to make progress.

The broken ...

My Lords—

I ask the noble Lord to bear with me for a moment.

My Lords, if I may, I remind the House that it is not required for a Minister to give way. Howeve...

As I say, this will not advance our negotiating position—quite the contrary. This amendment could...

May we return to something that the noble Lord said a few moments ago? He said that it is not for...

The noble Lord and I appear to be talking somewhat at cross purposes. My answer was that it was n...

Does the Minister understand that, if he answered the questions that your Lordships are asking, h...

The noble Baroness will have heard the comments from the Lord Privy Seal.

To take the noble Lord back to the question that was asked by the noble Lord, Lord Scriven, has t...

I can do no better than say that the impact assessment will be published in due course.

How do the Government justify not having an impact statement until presumably the whole of this H...

As I say, I am afraid the impact assessment will be published in due course.

My noble friend must accept that the Bill can be expedited and the House can be satisfied if a pr...

Of course, I hear what my noble friend says.

Regardless of when the impact assessment will be published, the Minister keeps restating issues a...

I am afraid I cannot do more than say that the impact assessment will be published in due course....

The Minister really should say whether an impact assessment was produced. I apologise for reverti...

I am afraid that I must disagree with the noble Lord. The point about the Bill is that we know th...

I am grateful to the Minister for his patience. Could I try this another way in relation to the d...

There is no statutory requirement to have a public impact assessment in relation to items of publ...

My Lords, surely this is not just about statutory requirements. Will the noble Lord contrast this...

Well, I always listen intently to the noble Lord’s measured contributions. Of course, the key dis...

My Lords, the Minister has made reference to the reduction in the number of Albanians using the c...

Hesitate as I do to disagree with the noble Lord, Lord Hannay, the amendment tabled by the noble ...

My Lords, the Committee is entitled to ask what the Minister means by “in due course”. Specifical...

I hear what the noble Lord says. I will take back his comments, and those of others, and we can r...

My Lords, on the point raised by the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, can the Minister write to him, and pu...

As I say, I will take the mood of the Committee back to the department.

My Lords, as an economist I am aware of the fallibility of economic forecasts. The Governor of th...

I am very grateful to my noble friend for that intervention; he makes a very good point, with whi...

My Lords, I will be very happy to agree or disagree with whatever impact assessment arises, when ...

I hear what the noble Lord says, but in any Bill the economic impact assessment—where one is prov...

My Lords, on 24 May, the Minister said the same thing: that he would take our concerns back to th...

I am afraid that I have nothing to add other than that it will be published in due course.

I am sure that the Minister did not mean to ignore the questions that I put to him. Perhaps he ha...

As the noble Lord well knows, it is not government policy to comment on leaks. That is a fairly l...

My Lords, I think the Government and the Minister are in a mess on this, particularly given the f...

Moved by

Baroness Meacher

14: Clause 3, page 4, line 24, leave out “at a time when th...

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 15. Even without an impact assessment, we know that Cla...

My Lords, I have two amendments down, and I very much support Amendments 14, 18 and 27 in particu...

My Lords, I rise to support Amendment 17, spoken to so powerfully by the noble and learned Barone...

My Lords, it is a challenge for a mere male to follow the three previous speakers, but my name is...

My Lords, the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, spoke movingly about her connections...

He’s not listening!

I hope my noble friend is listening, because I hope he will realise that he too is an inheritor o...

My Lords, I will return to the amendments, particularly Amendment 22. I think that the Committee ...

My Lords, I support the amendments in this group because they are at the heart of whether or not ...

My Lords, I have two amendments in this group. I, and we on these Benches, agree with pretty much...

My Lords, I support the amendments proposed by my noble friend Lady Meacher, my noble and learned...

My Lords, I rise with some hesitation after so many speeches—such powerful speeches—from every co...

My Lords, I have the Clause 3 stand part amendment in my name. A lot of the words already spoken ...

My Lords, I had not intended to speak in this debate when I came into the Chamber this afternoon,...

My Lords, I want to show the importance of impact assessments. This goes back slightly to the dis...

My Lords, like my noble friend Lord Touhig, I was not going to speak to this group of amendments ...

My Lords, having listened to the debate, I have three questions for the Minister.

First, if...

My Lords, my noble friend Lady Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville added her name to Amendments 14 ...

My Lords, I support the amendments tabled by the noble Baronesses, Lady Meacher and Lady Hamwee, ...

My Lords, Clause 3 sets out the power to remove unaccompanied children. This power will be exerci...

My Lords—

Perhaps I can take the noble Lord’s question in just a moment. For context, I remind the Committe...

I hope the Minister will stop this characterisation of the effects of this Bill as being just on ...

Clearly, this Bill affects every person who falls within the four categories described in Clause ...

I would be grateful for the Minister to respond to my point. I read from the factsheet, as he has...

As I have already made clear, the answer is that the department has stated in both Houses that th...

My Lords—

Forgive me. I must make progress. Doubtless, the noble Lord will have an opportunity at the end o...

My Lords, that point was specifically about the alignment of the Children Act with this legislati...

Clearly there are other provisions in relation to the standards of detention in the detained esta...

The Committee noted the Minister confirming that there would be no duty on Ministers to ensure th...

As I say, the occasions when a child will be removed will be very exceptional and the two cases t...

The other category does apply. If it cannot be to the safe country of origin, it applies to the s...

As I said, the power will be exercised very exceptionally. I am happy to go away and look into th...

I asked a number of questions around the child rights impact assessment. Please do not say that w...

From my experience, the Children’s Commissioner was involved, certainly while the Bill was passin...

In relation to the situation when the child becomes 18, have the Government taken into account th...

The noble and learned Baroness is quite right that it is a very difficult balance that we have to...

Further to the point made by the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, can I ask the Min...

I assure the noble Lord that these points have received bags of consideration, not least from me,...

The Minister made reference to the balance that the Government believe there is in the Bill aroun...

I do not need to write to answer that. The answer is that there is nothing incompatible with the ...

With the greatest respect to the Minister, we have not yet seen the detail. That is the problem. ...

To my mind, I have set out the detail, but of course I will go back and give it further thought.<...

The Minister made a slightly unconvincing effort to persuade us that what is envisaged is in the ...

I know that the noble Lord and I do not agree, but the international law position is that childre...

My Lords, the Minister has chosen not to reply to various points made by the noble Baroness, Lady...

As the noble Lord knows, that is not something that I would have to hand in the course of the dis...

I hope the Minister will forgive me, but a narrow but important point of principle was raised by ...

The noble Baroness is always a powerful advocate but, in this instance, these provisions are alre...

In 28 years of service in this House and the other place, I have never had more difficulty in get...

I must apologise to the noble Lord for not addressing that point in my remarks; I did mean to do ...

In trying to answer my question, the Minister just reiterated what it says in the equality impact...

It is a fairly standard rhetorical tool to ask where the evidence is but in this kind of field we...

Based on what?

It is the opinion of the department that a person would not pay a people smuggler to cross the ch...

So the Minister agrees that this is not just about small boats; this is about the whole refugee a...

Obviously, as these provisions are not in force, there is no evidence of the impact of these meas...

Some time ago, the Minister asked me if I was willing to withdraw my amendment; I have a feeling ...

Moved by

Lord Bellamy

16: Clause 3, page 4, line 40, leave out “or citizen”

Mem...

My Lords, I hope I can be relatively brief in introducing a small group of technical amendments t...

I will just ask the Minister for clarification with regard to countries that we do not recognise ...

My Lords, the proposed amendments are to cover the technical situation where somebody who is not ...

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his explanation of the government amendments. I have two que...

My Lords, I will, if I may, look into the questions posed by the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, and g...

Moved by

Lord Bellamy

19: Clause 3, page 5, line 38, at end insert—

““national”...

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath

19A: Clause 4, page 6, line 3, leave out paragraph ...

My Lords, Amendment 19A is on modern slavery. I will speak to a series of my other amendments rel...

My Lords, I sat out the Second Reading debate in favour of a meeting of the Constitution Committe...

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord. I will endeavour not to repeat some of the a...

My Lords, I have signed some amendments which were tabled by my noble and learned friend Lord Eth...

My Lords, we have heard some very good speeches on this group already. I want to revert to the sp...

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Bach, referred to the effects on the modern slavery legislation. I...

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendment 19A in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, and co...

My Lords, I am co-chairman of the APPG on Human Trafficking and Modern Slavery and I am the vice-...

My Lords, whenever there is a reference to the ouster of the courts and tribunals in the context ...

My Lords, I signed the intention to oppose the Question that Clause 4 stand part of the Bill.

My Lords, I have given notice of my intention to oppose this clause standing part. I was also abl...

My Lords, sensing an overwhelming desire in the House to discuss the National Health Service (Den...

My Lords, before we move on to the interesting dinnertime discussion, I just want to raise a poin...

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way, but I just want to ask him this question. Would h...

No, I am just saying that if the amendment were accepted, it would be entirely inimical to the pu...

My Lords, I think, to some extent, that that is the point of the amendment. I am scared of dentis...

My Lords, we support all the amendments in this group. As many noble Lords have said, victims of ...

My Lords, I apologise for not being able to speak previously on the Bill, but I support Amendment...

My Lords, this group focuses on the disregarding of protection claims, trafficking claims, human ...

My Lords, Clause 4 provides that if a person meets any of the four conditions set out in Clause 2...

I am grateful to the Minister. I am listening very carefully to what he is saying regarding the l...

It is not the Home Office abusing itself—to use the noble Lord’s phrase. The reality is that it i...

If I may—

I will come back to the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, at the end. I can confirm that removing this inc...

I am grateful to the Minister. In the circumstances that he accurately sets out, could a declarat...

The provisions of the Bill in relation to that are a little involved, and I will write to the nob...

My Lords, can the Minister answer the question that I put to him about the disapplication of a na...

Forgive me; I intended to address the noble Lord’s point in relation to that. Obviously, the prov...

Can I clarify the point that I was making? The Minister alluded to maybe coming back to me. He im...

I am afraid that I disagree. The Home Office is not getting it wrong. As I already set out in my ...

If we have found that there is no loophole in the system, that is good—so it is just the numbers....

That is not the case. Much as we might wish it to be, the simple reality, I am afraid, is that ou...

If they are being abused, what is the percentage success rate of people who were referred in the ...

I am afraid that I do not have those statistics to hand, but I can write—

I can help the Minister. I think it is 82% and 91%, on average. The issue is therefore that, once...

The noble Lord will be aware that there are two stages to the process—a reasonable grounds decisi...

I cannot remember the exact numbers, but if the noble Lord looks at it the conclusive grounds is ...

When the Minister replies to me, can he ensure that a copy goes to the Library, please?

8.1...

My Lords, I was going to wind up, if I may. Other noble Lords may contain their enthusiasm for de...

Moved by

Lord Murray of Blidworth

24: Clause 4, page 6, line 21, leave out “or citize...

Moved by

Lord Murray of Blidworth

25A: Clause 4, page 6, line 30, at end insert “, an...

Moved by

Lord Murray of Blidworth

28: Clause 5, page 7, line 8, leave out “or citizen...