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Illegal Migration Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 24 May 2023, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Murray of Blidworth. The answering member was Lord Coaker.
Lords committee stage first day. Clauses 1 and 2 agreed to. (Part 2 of 2).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

830 cc936-973 

Session

2022-23

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Illegal Migration Bill 2022-23. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 27 April 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Illegal Migration Bill
Wednesday, 24 May 2023
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2023-0621
Monday, 26 June 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2023-0626
Monday, 3 July 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord German | 830 cc936-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lord Paddick, who will respond later, I am pleased to sugg...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 cc938-940 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord German. In arguing for Amendment 4, I h...


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Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c940 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to come back to the points I raised in the first group, because they are t...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 830 c940 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether I could come back to some of the questions the noble Lord failed to an...

Lord Paddick | 830 cc940-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord German has clearly set out why Clause 1 should not be stand part o...

Lord Coaker | 830 c941 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will just add my voice to the requests from various noble Lords across the Chamber fo...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc941-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 1 sets out the Bill’s overarching purpose and provides an overview of the provis...

Lord German | 830 c942 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has made two points. I am particularly asking about this sentence in the Governmen...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc942-3 (Link to this contribution)

The answer to the question, if I have understood the noble Lord, is yes, but I think he misinterp...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 830 c943 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether the Minister can help me on this. The “strained decisions” of the cour...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c943 (Link to this contribution)

The context of a strained decision, as the noble and learned Baroness will be aware, are circumst...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 830 c943 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister is a persistent non-answerer of questions; I am a persistent asker of ques...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c943 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord does repeatedly ask questions, and I repeatedly answer them. As he identifies, the...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c943 (Link to this contribution)

I believe I have answered both the noble Lord’s questions.

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 830 c943 (Link to this contribution)

The second question was: could the Minister please tell us that the phrase that he used, which wa...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c943 (Link to this contribution)

That is consistent with the normal practice in statute.

Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 cc943-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I might come back to the question asked by the noble and learned Baroness, Lady...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c944 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, I will be writing to the noble and learned Baroness, but the House will recall that th...

Lord Paddick | 830 c944 (Link to this contribution)

Following-up on my question about impact assessment, the Minister says that the Government do not...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c944 (Link to this contribution)

The Government do not recognise the figures in the purported impact assessments provided by the b...

Lord German | 830 c944 (Link to this contribution)

What is the Minister’s definition of “soon”, which he said was when we would receive the impact a...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c944 (Link to this contribution)

The impact assessment will be provided when the decision is taken that it is appropriate to discl...

Lord German | 830 c945 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister therefore think that it is appropriate that the body which is deciding about th...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c945 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I can tell the noble Lord only that it will be published in due course and that ...

Lord Coaker | 830 c945 (Link to this contribution)

Frankly, this is unacceptable. Without being rude, I say that the Committee must at some point ha...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c945 (Link to this contribution)

To add to that, we should have had a child rights impact assessment. That is supposed to be done ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c945 (Link to this contribution)

The House knows my position. I have obviously heard what the noble Lord, Lord Coaker, and the nob...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 c945 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Carlile of Berriew

6: Clause 2, page 3, line 26, leave out “7 March 202...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 cc945-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 6, which stands in my name. There are some other amendments ass...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 cc948-9 (Link to this contribution)

I heap plaudits on the shoulders of the noble Lord, Lord Carlile of Berriew. That was worthy of a...

Baroness Hamwee | 830 cc949-950 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad to have been able to add my name to the noble Lord’s amendments. I am gratefu...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 830 cc950-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, for having run a trailer for the ques...

Baroness Suttie | 830 cc951-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 12, tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie of Downpatrick...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 830 cc952-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I ought to apologise to the Committee. I failed to say that I was unable to speak at Se...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 830 cc953-4 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Baroness makes a very strong case and I give her my full support.

My ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 cc954-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with everything that has been said so far, but I will focus on the opposition t...

Bishop of Chelmsford | 830 c955 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to delay the House for long, especially given the excellent speeches we h...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 830 cc955-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not being able to take part at Second Reading. I shall speak to Amendme...

Lord Cashman | 830 cc957-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in favour of the amendments in this group, including my Amendment 8; I thank th...

Baroness Ludford | 830 cc958-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will quickly speak on Amendment 12, otherwise I fear there will not be a second voice...

Lord Etherton | 830 cc959-960 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have co-signed the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Carlile or Berriew, ...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 c960 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can be very brief. I have one amendment in this group, Amendment 39, which raises the...

Baroness Lawlor | 830 c960 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am puzzled by Amendment 6 and the reasons given by some of your Lordships for opposin...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 c960 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness has had quite a lot to say today about the wishes of the people of this countr...

Baroness Lawlor | 830 c961 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his question. As far as I can see, the Bill was published on 7 March. ...

Baroness Lawlor | 830 c961 (Link to this contribution)

I think the noble Lord is not aware of the very good access to news which people coming to this c...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 830 cc961-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will go where I was going without being distracted. I am aware that there is no Green...

Lord German | 830 c962 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are two matters in this group that are in my name, but I shall address just one o...

Lord Paddick | 830 cc962-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group covers a wide range of amendments concerning the duty to make arrangements f...

Lord Coaker | 830 cc963-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, much of what I want to say about Clause 2 standing part of the Bill will be reflected i...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc964-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Baroness, Lady Lister, said, echoed by the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, C...

Lord Paddick | 830 c965 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister explain why in that case the Nationality and Borders Act does not have a retrosp...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc966-7 (Link to this contribution)

Certainly. The structure of the Nationality and Borders Act 2022 was very different. It was not a...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 c967 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the Minister for intervening at this late hour. If I understand him correctly, it ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc967-8 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am sorry to say. Clearly the position is not that in every case where there is a change in ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c968 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is beginning to address the question that I have raised twice: why should we accept ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c968 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for that intervention. The reality is that the Government take legal a...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 830 c968 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has latched on to the wrong point—not the point that the UNHCR has made again and ag...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c969 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I again find myself at odds with the noble Lord. The reality is that the UN itse...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 830 c969 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister says there is no requirement in the convention for a convention state to handle an a...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 cc969-971 (Link to this contribution)

That is entirely correct, yes. Their asylum claim will be determined by the Government of Rwanda....

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 830 c971 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there was an issue about adoption of a child who came to this country, or came in the w...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c971 (Link to this contribution)

Forgive me: as I thought I said, the status of a child born in the UK to a woman who meets the co...

Baroness Ludford | 830 c971 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister talked about an amendment that I had co-signed. Was it Amendment 132?

Baroness Ludford | 830 c972 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry—I will look and check that it covers the point.

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 830 c972 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister, not to my surprise, did not address my question about what happens after the electi...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c972 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid the structure of the Bill is that it creates a duty on the Secretary of State. That i...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 830 c972 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister for his patience, but it is not quite right that that is the r...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c972 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, the intent is to send a message—that people really must not make these dangerous journey...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 830 c972 (Link to this contribution)

Could I ask that the Minister copies everyone who took part in this debate into the letter he is ...

Lord Murray of Blidworth | 830 c972 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly place a copy in the Library of the House. I hope that suffices. I am sure that m...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 830 cc972-4 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord stands up again, I feel I should bring this debate to a close. I am gratefu...

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