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Online Safety Bill

Lords committee stage seventh day. Clause 18 agreed to. Clauses 19 and 20, as amended, agreed to. Clause 21 agreed to. Clauses 22 to 25, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 26 to 28 agreed to. Clause 29, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 30 and 31 agreed to. Schedule 3 agreed to. Clauses 32 to 35 agreed to. (Part 1 of 2)

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

830 cc134-210 

Session

2022-23

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Online Safety Bill 2021-22 to 2022-23. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 18 January 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twenty-eighth report.
Wednesday, 1 March 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill
Tuesday, 16 May 2023
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2023-0713
Monday, 4 September 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 830 cc134-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

56: After Clause 17, insert the following new Cl...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 830 cc135-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 56 proposes a pathway towards setting up an independent ombudsman for the soc...


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Baroness Newlove | 830 cc137-140 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first time that I have spoken in Committee. I know we have 10 days, but it ...

Baroness Kidron | 830 cc140-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak in support of Amendments 250A and 250B; I am not in favour of Amendment 56...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 830 cc142-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also put my name to Amendments 250A and 250B, but the noble Baronesses, Lady Newlove ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 830 cc144-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I see my amendments as being probing. I am very keen on having a robust complaints syst...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 830 cc145-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had to miss a few sessions of the Committee but I am now back until the end. I remind...

Baroness Kidron | 830 c147 (Link to this contribution)

We are glad to have the noble Lord back. I want also to put on the record that the South West Gri...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 830 cc147-8 (Link to this contribution)

It has let me know as well. In a way, the amendment seeks to formalise what is already an informa...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 830 c148 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always somewhat intimidating to follow the noble Lord, Lord Allan, though it is w...

Lord Clement-Jones | 830 cc149-150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had better start by declaring an interest. It is a great pleasure to follow the noble...

Viscount Camrose | 830 cc150-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group are concerned with complaints mechanisms. I turn first to ...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 830 cc152-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, could I just ask a question? This Bill has been in gestation for about five to six year...

Viscount Camrose | 830 c153 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know about that last point. I was going to say that I am very happy to meet the noble Lo...

Baroness Newlove | 830 c153 (Link to this contribution)

Following on from my friend, the noble Lord, Lord Russell, can I just say to the Minister that I ...

Baroness Kidron | 830 c153 (Link to this contribution)

I would love the noble Viscount to answer my very specific question about who the Government thin...

Viscount Camrose | 830 c153 (Link to this contribution)

I stress again that the period in question is two years not three.

Viscount Camrose | 830 c154 (Link to this contribution)

It is between two and five years. It can be two; it can be five. I am very happy to meet my noble...

Baroness Kidron | 830 c154 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry but that is exactly the issue at stake. The understanding of the Committee currently i...

Viscount Camrose | 830 c154 (Link to this contribution)

Considerably more rights are provided than they have today, with the service provider. Indeed, Of...

Viscount Camrose | 830 c154 (Link to this contribution)

They would go to the service provider in the first instance and then—

Lord Clement-Jones | 830 c154 (Link to this contribution)

What recourse would they have, if Ofcom will not deal with individual complaints in those circums...

Viscount Camrose | 830 c154 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to meet and discuss this. We are expanding what they are able to receive today under t...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 830 c154 (Link to this contribution)

To clarify and link up the two parts of this discussion, can the Minister perhaps reflect, when t...

Viscount Camrose | 830 c155 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, we are happy to consider individual complaints and super-complaints further.

Lord Allan of Hallam | 830 c155 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I am just pulling this together—I am curious to understand this. We have been given a spec...

Viscount Camrose | 830 c155 (Link to this contribution)

Overall, the super-complaints mechanism is more for groupings of complaints and has a broader ran...

Lord Clement-Jones | 830 c155 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has just occurred to me what the answer is to the question, “Where does an individua...

Viscount Camrose | 830 c156 (Link to this contribution)

No. The super-complaints mechanism is better thought of as part of a horizon-scanning mechanism. ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 830 c156 (Link to this contribution)

So it is not really a complaints system; it is a horizon-scanning system. That is interesting.

Viscount Camrose | 830 c156 (Link to this contribution)

The answer to the noble Lord’s question is that the super-complaint is not a mechanism for indivi...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 830 c156 (Link to this contribution)

This is getting worse and worse. I am tempted to suggest that we stop talking about this and try ...

Viscount Camrose | 830 c156 (Link to this contribution)

I have offered a meeting; I am very happy to host the meeting to bottom out these complaints.

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Baroness Kidron | 830 c156 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that the Minister has been given a sticky wicket of defending the indefensible. I we...

Viscount Camrose | 830 c156 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, I am very happy to hold the meeting. We are giving users greater protection through th...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 830 cc156-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am very sorry that I did not realise that the Minister was responding to this group of amendmen...

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie | 830 c157 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie

58: Clause 18, page 20, line 32, at end inser...

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie | 830 cc158-161 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to propose this group of amendments on devolution issues. I am always de...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 830 c160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I warmly support the amendment moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Fraser of Craigmaddie,...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 830 cc160-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I follow the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, with just a few words. As we have been reminded,...

Lord Clement-Jones | 830 c162 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is unfamiliar territory for me, but the comprehensive introduction of the noble Ba...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 830 cc162-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pity that we have not had the benefit of hearing from the Minister, because a l...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 cc163-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to my noble friend Lady Fraser of Craigmaddie for her vigilance in t...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 830 c165 (Link to this contribution)

I suggested that we might see a table, independent of the meetings, although I am sure they could...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c166 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, that would be a sensible way to view it. We will work on that and allow noble Lords to see i...

Baroness Kidron | 830 c166 (Link to this contribution)

I put on record that the withdrawal of Part 3 of the Digital Economy Act 2017 will be greeted wit...

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie | 830 c166 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. I take it as a win that we have been offered a m...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 cc166-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

64A: Clause 19, page 21, line 36, leave out “a...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c167 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

65A: Clause 19, page 22, line 26, at end inser...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 cc167-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

65B: Clause 20, page 23, line 5, leave out “an...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c168 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

66A: Clause 20, page 23, line 16, leave out “I...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 cc168-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

66E: Clause 22, page 24, line 38, after “29(2)...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c169 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

66F: Clause 23, page 24, line 42, leave out “a...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c169 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

72A: Clause 23, page 25, line 31, at end inser...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c169 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

75A: Clause 24, page 26, line 45, after “29(2)...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c170 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

75B: Clause 25, page 27, line 4, at end insert...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c170 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

81A: Clause 25, page 27, line 46, at end inser...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 cc170-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

88A: Clause 29, page 31, line 4, leave out “al...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c171 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

90A: Clause 29, page 31, line 37, at end inser...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 830 c172 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff

96: After Clause 35, insert the following new Cl...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 830 cc172-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am particularly grateful to the noble Lords who co-signed Amendments 96, 240 and 296 in this gr...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 830 cc174-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I particularly support Amendment 96, to which I have added my name; it is a privilege t...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 830 cc175-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased that we have an opportunity, in this group of amendments, to talk about su...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 830 cc177-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as usual, the noble Lord, Lord Allan of Hallam, has explained with some nuance the tric...

Baroness Kidron | 830 c179 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lady Finlay. I want to add...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 830 c180 (Link to this contribution)

From experience, I think it is true that companies get defensive and seek to defend the indefensi...

Baroness Kidron | 830 cc180-1 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. Of course, good law is a good system, not a good person.

I turn to the ...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 830 cc181-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay of Llandaff, in her Amendment 96 and others i...

Lord Clement-Jones | 830 cc182-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, for introducing the amendments in the way she ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 830 cc183-4 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a very good debate indeed. I have good days and bad days in Committee. Good days ar...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 cc184-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like everyone who spoke, I and the Government recognise the tragic consequences of suic...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 830 c185 (Link to this contribution)

Following our earlier discussion, we were going to have a response on super-complaints. I am curi...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c185 (Link to this contribution)

My initial response is, yes, I think so, but it is the role of Ofcom to look at whether those ter...

Baroness Kidron | 830 c185 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to enter the fray again on complaints, but how will anyone know that they have failed ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c185 (Link to this contribution)

I refer to the meeting my noble friend Lord Camrose offered; we will be able to go through and un...

Lord Clement-Jones | 830 c185 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is going through the structure of the Bill and saying that what is in it is adequate...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 cc185-6 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, they are—with the addition of what I am coming to. In addition to the duty for companies to ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 830 c186 (Link to this contribution)

I wanted to give the Minister time to get on to this. Can we now drill down a little on the terms...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 cc186-7 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill will ensure that companies adhere to their terms of service. If they choose to allow con...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 830 c187 (Link to this contribution)

I will plant a flag in reference to the new offences, which I know we will come back to again. It...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 cc187-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for the advance notice to think about that; it is helpful. It is difficult...

Baroness Kidron | 830 c188 (Link to this contribution)

I asked a number of questions on specific scenarios. If the Minister cannot answer them straight ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c188 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness threw me off with her subsequent question. She was broadly right, but I will w...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 830 c189 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to everyone who has contributed to this debate. It has been a v...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 830 c190 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Morgan of Cotes

97: Clause 36, page 36, line 42, at end insert “inc...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 830 cc190-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to move Amendment 97 and speak to Amendment 304, both standing i...

Bishop of Gloucester | 830 cc192-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendments 97 and 304, and I wholeheartedly agree with all that...

Baroness Kidron | 830 cc194-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendments 97 and 304, and I support the others in this group. ...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 830 cc195-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support Amendment 97 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan. We must...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 830 cc196-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by commending my noble friend Lady Morgan on her clear introduction to this gro...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 830 cc197-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it gives me great pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Stowell of Beeston, not l...

Baroness Burt of Solihull | 830 cc199-200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is an honour to follow some very knowledgeable speakers, whose knowledge is much gre...

Baroness Gohir | 830 cc200-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the noble Baronesses, Lady Morgan and Lady Kidron, the right reverend...

Lord Clement-Jones | 830 cc201-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be very brief. My noble friend has very eloquently expressed the support on thes...

Baroness Merron | 830 cc202-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group, which I am pleased to speak to now, shine a very bright l...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 cc204-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, protecting women and girls is a priority for His Majesty’s Government, at home, on our ...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 830 c206 (Link to this contribution)

Could my noble friend the Minister confirm something? I am getting rather confused by what he is ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c206 (Link to this contribution)

It is up to Ofcom to decide how to set the codes out. What I am saying is that the codes deal wit...

Baroness Merron | 830 c206 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way. There is a bit of a problem that I would like to raise. I th...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 c206 (Link to this contribution)

There are no codes designed for Jewish people, Muslim people or people of colour, even though we ...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 830 c206 (Link to this contribution)

Can I check something with my noble friend? This is where the illogicality is. The Government hav...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 830 cc207-9 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, I do not think that that is a perfect comparison. The Strategic Policing Requiremen...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 830 cc209-210 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for his response, which I will come on to in a moment. This has...

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