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Online Safety Bill

Lords committee stage fifth day. Clause 12 under consideration. (Part 1 of 2).

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829 cc1680-1730 

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2022-23

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Online Safety Bill 2021-22 to 2022-23. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 18 January 2023
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Online Safety Bill. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twenty-eighth report.
Wednesday, 1 March 2023
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Online Safety Bill
Tuesday, 9 May 2023
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Deposited Paper DEP2023-0711
Monday, 4 September 2023
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Moylan | 829 cc1681-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 155 in my name, and I am grateful for the support of the nobl...

Viscount Colville of Culross | 829 cc1682-4 (Link to this contribution)

I support Amendment 44. I am pleased that, as part of the new triple shield, the Government have ...


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Baroness Kidron | 829 cc1684-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, for his words—I thought I was experiencing time tr...

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie | 829 cc1685-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 44 and 158 in the name of the right reverend Prelate the Bis...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 cc1686-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments looks at the treatment of legal content accessed by adults. Th...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 cc1688-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been interesting to hear so many noble Lords singing from the same hymn sheet—es...

Baroness Merron | 829 cc1689-1691 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords from all sides of the House for their contributions and for shining...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1691-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lords who have spoken on the amendments in this group, both this ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 c1692 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the Minister will forgive me for interrupting, but would it not be much easier for Ofcom t...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1692-3 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to say a bit more about how Ofcom goes about that work.

The Bill will ensure...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 c1693 (Link to this contribution)

On that, in an earlier reply the Minister explained that platforms already remove harmful content...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1693 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness’s point gets to the heart of the debate that we have had. I talked earlier abo...

Lord Moylan | 829 c1693 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend has explained clearly how terms of service would normally work, which i...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1694 (Link to this contribution)

Our right honourable friend’s content was reuploaded. This makes the point that the problem at th...

Lord McNally | 829 cc1694-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in his opening remarks, the Minister referred to the fact that this debate began last T...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 829 cc1695-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Morgan of Cotes

34: Clause 12, page 12, line 9, leave out “if they ...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 829 cc1696-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to speak to this group of amendments. As it is the first time I ...

Lord Griffiths of Burry Port | 829 cc1698-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to be collaborating with the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan. We seem to h...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 cc1699-1702 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 43 tackles Clause 12(1), which expressly says that the duties in Clause 12...

Baroness Parminter | 829 cc1702-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Fox. I am afraid that on this issue...

Bishop of Oxford | 829 cc1704-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Parminter, in her very moving and ...

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie | 829 cc1705-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I contribute to this debate on the basis of my interests as laid out in the register: a...

Baroness Kidron | 829 cc1706-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan. I do s...

Baroness Buscombe | 829 cc1708-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, said words to the effect that perhaps we should begin ...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1709 (Link to this contribution)

That seemed to be provoked by me saying that we must look after the vulnerable, but I am suggesti...

Baroness Buscombe | 829 c1709 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. The small list of individual items is the danger.

Baroness Bull | 829 cc1709-1710 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Buscombe, on the built-in obsolescence of any list. ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 c1710 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness sits down, I wanted to ask for clarification, because I am genuinely co...

Baroness Bull | 829 c1710 (Link to this contribution)

I do not have all the answers, but I do think we heard a very powerful point from the right rever...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 829 c1711 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support Amendments 34 and 35, from the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan, a...

Baroness Burt of Solihull | 829 cc1711-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is my first contribution to the Bill, and I feel I need to apologise in advance fo...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 cc1712-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to speak in this debate because I now need to declare an unusual int...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 cc1713-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very thoughtful and thought-provoking debate. I start very much from th...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 cc1714-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been one of the most important debates we have had so far in Committee, coveri...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 c1716 (Link to this contribution)

Just to clarify, in a way we have reduced this debate to whether the default position should be o...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 cc1716-7 (Link to this contribution)

As ever, the noble Baroness is an important voice in bursting our bubble in the Chamber. I contin...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1717-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government recognise the objectives of the amendments in this group: to strengthen ...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1718 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister therefore think that the Government condone the current system, where we are in...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1718 (Link to this contribution)

We will come to talk about algorithms and their risks later on. There is an important balance to ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 829 c1718 (Link to this contribution)

Because of the importance of that point in relation to what the Minister is about to say, we shou...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1718-9 (Link to this contribution)

We will come in a moment to the provisions that are in the Bill to make sure that decisions can b...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 c1719 (Link to this contribution)

I think the Minister is trying to answer the point raised by my noble friend about vulnerable adu...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1719-1720 (Link to this contribution)

That is right. Platforms are not in the public sector, so the public sector equality duty does no...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 c1720 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, what distinguishes young adults from older adults in what the Minister in saying?

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1720 (Link to this contribution)

In law, there is nothing. I am engaging with the point that there is no cliff edge. There are pro...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 c1720 (Link to this contribution)

Surely, this is precisely the point that the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, was making. As soon as ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1720 (Link to this contribution)

There is not this cliff edge which noble Lords have feared—that there are protections for childre...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 c1720 (Link to this contribution)

There is an element of circularity to what the Minister is saying. This is precisely why we are a...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 c1720 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps it would help if the Minister wanted to just set out the difference for us. Clearly, this...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1720-1 (Link to this contribution)

Once somebody becomes an adult in law at the age of 18, they are protected through the triple shi...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 c1721 (Link to this contribution)

I understand all of that—I think—but that is not the regime being applied to children. It is real...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 c1721 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister stands up—a new phrase—can he confirm that it is perfectly valid to have a ch...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1721-2 (Link to this contribution)

It would be, but we fear the chilling effect of having the choice imposed on people. As the noble...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 c1722 (Link to this contribution)

I will try to help the Minister. If the amendment has been poorly drafted, I apologise. It does n...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1722 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you. I may be reading the noble Lord’s Amendment 38A excessively critically. I will look at...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 829 c1722 (Link to this contribution)

Several times in the Bill—but this is a clear example—the drafters have chosen to impose a differ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1722 (Link to this contribution)

The discrepancy comes from the point we touched on earlier. Ofcom, as a public body, is subject t...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 829 c1723 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord made that point before, and I was going to pick him up on it. It really is not rig...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1723-4 (Link to this contribution)

The content which we have added to Clause 12 is a targeted approach. It reflects input from a wid...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 c1724 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the Minister’s comments but, as I have tried to indicate, incitement to hatred and a...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1724-5 (Link to this contribution)

But as I think the noble Baroness understands from that reference, this is a definition already i...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1725 (Link to this contribution)

I noted the points made about the way information is pushed and, in particular, the speech of the...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1725 (Link to this contribution)

We will discuss this when it comes to the definition of content in the Bill, which covers feature...

Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 829 cc1725-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend very much indeed, and thank all noble Lords who have taken part...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 829 c1726 (Link to this contribution)

I advise the Committee that if Amendment 38 is agreed to, I shall not be able to call Amendment 3...

Lord Moylan | 829 c1726 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

38: Clause 12, page 12, line 24, leave out subsection (6)

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Lord Moylan | 829 cc1726-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am going to endeavour to be relatively brief. I rise to move Amendment 38 and to spea...

Baroness Buscombe | 829 cc1728-1730 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 106 in my name and the names of my noble and learned friend L...

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