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Online Safety Bill

Lords committee stage third day. Clause 6, as amended, agreed to. Clause 7 agreed to. (Part 1 of 2).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

829 cc1286-1328 

Session

2022-23

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Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber
Online Safety Bill 2021-22 to 2022-23. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 18 January 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twenty-eighth report.
Wednesday, 1 March 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill
Thursday, 27 April 2023
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2023-0711
Monday, 4 September 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Moylan | 829 c1286 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

13: Clause 6, page 5, line 33, after “services” insert “that are...

Lord Moylan | 829 cc1286-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving my Amendment 13 I will speak to all the amendments in the group, all of which...


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Baroness Deech | 829 cc1287-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 157 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Pickles, and others, ...

Lord Weir of Ballyholme | 829 cc1288-1290 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support Amendment 157, which stands in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Pickles,...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1290 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree in part with the noble Lord, Lord Moylan. I was the person who said that small ...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 cc1290-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak along similar lines to the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron. I will address ...

Lord Bethell | 829 c1291 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will build on my noble friend’s comments. We have what I call the Andrew Tate problem...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 cc1291-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not want to interrupt the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, in full flow as he introduced ...

Baroness Merron | 829 cc1292-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome this debate, which revisits some of the areas discussed in earlier debates ab...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1293-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must first apologise for my slightly dishevelled appearance as I managed to spill cof...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 c1294 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that clarification. I take it then that the Government’s workin...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1294-5 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, the largest and riskiest sites may involve some which have search functions, so the te...

Lord Moylan | 829 cc1295-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I hope that the noble ...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 cc1296-7 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might briefly come in. My noble friend Lord Moylan may have helped explain why we disag...

Lord Moylan | 829 c1297 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend makes a very interesting point, and there is much to ponder in it—too much to pon...

Baroness Deech | 829 c1297 (Link to this contribution)

Having listened to the Minister, I think we need clarification on the issue of duplication and wh...

Lord Beith | 829 cc1297-8 (Link to this contribution)

When we come to Amendment 157, that will be noted.

Amendments 13A to 13C

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1298 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

13A: Clause 6, page 5, line 35, after “service...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 c1298 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Allan of Hallam

14: Clause 6, page 5, line 38, at end insert—

“(6...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 cc1298-1303 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I propose Amendment 14 on behalf of my noble friend Lord Clement-Jones and the noble Lo...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1300 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 190 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, and Amendmen...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 c1304 (Link to this contribution)

I point out that one of the benefits of end-to-end encryption is that it precisely stops companie...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1304 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for the intervention. For those noble Lords who are not following the numb...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 829 cc1304-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is attached to Amendment 203 in this group, along with those of the noble Lords...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1305 (Link to this contribution)

I want to take advantage of the noble Baroness having raised that point to say that perhaps I was...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 829 c1306 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad I gave the noble Baroness the opportunity for that intervention. I have a reasonable le...

Lord Moylan | 829 cc1306-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 205 in my name, but like other noble Lords I will speak ab...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 cc1307-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there have been some excellent speeches so far. The noble Lord, Lord Allan of Hallam, b...

Baroness Kidron | 829 cc1308-9 (Link to this contribution)

No one in the Committee or anyone standing behind us who speaks up for children thinks that this ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 cc1309-1310 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the noble Baroness, which is precisely why I am suggesting that we need to consider ...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 c1310 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to add to the exchange between the noble Baronesses, Lady Kidron and Lady Fox. The no...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 c1310 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has concluded with my conclusion, which was to say that those services will be dri...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 829 cc1310-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that last exchange was incredibly helpful. I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Allan,...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 cc1311-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not intending to intervene on this group because my noble friend Lord Stevenson w...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 c1312 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to say something very quickly on VPN. I had a discussion with some teenage...

Lord McNally | 829 cc1312-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have long been on record as being for radical reform of the House of Lords, but I do ...

Lord Kamall | 829 cc1313-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first time that I have spoken on the Bill in Committee. I know noble Lords ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 829 cc1314-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been a very good debate indeed. When I first saw this grouping, my heart sank: t...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1317-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has indeed been a very good debate on a large group of amendments. We have benefit...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 c1319 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister does so, can he give a sense of what he means by “best endeavours” for those ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1320 (Link to this contribution)

I am hesitant to give too tight a definition, because we want to remain technology neutral and ma...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1320 (Link to this contribution)

While the Minister is reflecting, I note that the words “best endeavours” are always a bit of a w...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1320-1 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness’s intervention has given me an opportunity to note that I am about to say a li...

Lord Kamall | 829 c1321 (Link to this contribution)

There are a lot of phrases here—best endeavour, proportionate, appropriate steps—that are rather ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1321 (Link to this contribution)

All the phrases used in the Bill are subject to the usual scrutiny through the judicial process—t...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 829 c1321 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point the Minister is making, but it is absolutely crystal clear that, whatever ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to give clear reassurance that the Bill does not require general monitoring of a...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 829 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

Let the record stand clear: yes. It was the slight equivocation around how the Minister approache...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

I did, and I am happy to say it again: yes.

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might go back to an earlier point. When the Minister said the Government want to make s...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1322-4 (Link to this contribution)

The points the noble Baroness has just made bring me neatly to what I was about to say in relatio...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 829 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

Is that right? I do not need a yes or no answer. It was rhetorical; I am just trying to frame the...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I think it is right. The investigatory powers Act is a tool for law enforcement and intellig...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

The investigatory powers Act includes a different form of technical notice, which is to put in pl...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly take that point away and I understand, of course, that different Acts require di...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 829 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend moves on, when he is reviewing that back in the office, could he also sati...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1325 (Link to this contribution)

I am about to talk about the safeguards for journalists in the context of the Bill and the questi...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 c1325 (Link to this contribution)

I want to flag that in the context of terrorist content, this is quite high risk for journalists....

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1325-7 (Link to this contribution)

I see that my noble friend Lord Murray of Blidworth has joined the Front Bench in anticipation of...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 cc1326-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very useful debate and serves as a good appetite builder for lunch, whi...

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