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Online Safety Bill

Lords committee stage second day. Clause 3 agreed to. Schedules 1 and 2 agreed to. Clauses 4 and 5 agreed to. Clause 6 under consideration. (Part 1 of 2).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

829 cc1112-1170 

Session

2022-23

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Online Safety Bill 2021-22 to 2022-23. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 18 January 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twenty-eighth report.
Wednesday, 1 March 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill
Tuesday, 25 April 2023
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2023-0710
Monday, 4 September 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1112 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Kidron

2: Clause 3, page 3, line 14, at end insert—

“(d) an i...

Baroness Kidron | 829 cc1112-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I refer the Committee to my interests as put in the register and declared in full at Se...


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Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 cc1115-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 19, 22, 298 and 299 in my name and those of the noble Bar...

Bishop of Oxford | 829 cc1117-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the two noble Baronesses. I remind the Committee of my backg...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 829 c1119 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I beg the indulgence of the Committee to speak briefly at this juncture. I know ...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 cc1119-1121 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it falls to me to inject some grit into what has so far been a very harmonious debate, ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 c1120 (Link to this contribution)

Could it not be argued that the noble Lord is making a case for regulation of app stores? Let us ...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 c1122 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord makes a good point. I certainly think we are heading into a world where there will...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 c1122 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Lord acknowledge that app stores are already undertaking these age-rating and blo...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 c1122 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness makes a very good point; they are making efforts. There is a role for app stor...

Baroness Kidron | 829 cc1122-3 (Link to this contribution)

I want to reassure the noble Lord: I have his blog in front of me and he was quite right—there we...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 c1123 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the intervention by the noble Baroness; I hope through this grit we may conjure up a...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 829 cc1123-4 (Link to this contribution)

I strongly support the amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, because I want ...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 829 c1124 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I listen to the words echoing around the Chamber, I try to put myself in the shoes o...

Lord Bethell | 829 cc1124-6 (Link to this contribution)

Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, put it very well:

“Kids are born digital, they’re digital kids ...

Lord Storey | 829 cc1126-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I enter this Committee debate with great trepidation. I do not have the knowledge and e...

Baroness Wyld | 829 cc1127-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Storey. I support Amendments 19, 22 and...

Bishop of Guildford | 829 cc1128-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one of our clergy in the diocese of Guildford has been campaigning for more than a deca...

Baroness Benjamin | 829 cc1129-1130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak in support of the amendments in this group in the names of the intrepid no...

Baroness Berridge | 829 c1130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will lend my support to Amendments 19 and 22. It is a pleasure to speak after the nob...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 cc1130-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a really fascinating debate and I need to put a stake in the ground prett...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 cc1132-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I echo the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones. This is an important group o...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1135-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I share noble Lords’ determination to deliver the strongest protections for children an...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1136 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt. Will the Minister take the opportunity to say what “significant” means, ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1136-7 (Link to this contribution)

If I can finish my point, this will bring into scope services of the kind set out in the amendmen...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 c1137 (Link to this contribution)

I know it has been said that the large language models, such as that used by ChatGPT, will be in ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1137 (Link to this contribution)

They are when they apply to companies enabling users to share content online and interact with ea...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 829 c1138 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister just said something that was material to this debate. He said that Ofcom has existin...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1138 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the noble Lord could clarify his question; I was too busy finishing my answer to the nobl...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 829 c1138 (Link to this contribution)

It is a continuation of the point raised by the noble Baroness, Lady Harding, and it seems that i...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1138 (Link to this contribution)

Services already have to comply with their duties to keep children safe. If they do not comply, O...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 c1138 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on that point, my reading of Clauses 131 to 135, where the Bill sets out the business d...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1138-9 (Link to this contribution)

I will be very happy to set that out in more detail.

Amendments 33A and 217A in the name of...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1139 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for an excellent debate; I will make two points. First, I think the Minister...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 cc1139-1140 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Fox of Buckley

4: Clause 3, page 3, line 17, leave out paragraphs (...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 cc1140-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 4, I will also speak to Amendments 6 to 8 and 12 and consequential ...

Lord Moylan | 829 cc1142-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I speak to my Amendment 9, which I will be able to do fairly briefly because a g...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 cc1144-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak in support of Amendment 9, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, and i...

Baroness Kidron | 829 cc1145-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to a couple of the amendments in this group. First, small is not safe, and you canno...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 829 cc1146-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 4 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Fox of Buckley.

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Lord Strathcarron | 829 c1147 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak in support of my noble friend Lord Moylan and Amendment 9. I declare an interest as ...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 829 cc1147-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as my name is on Amendment 9, I speak to support these amendments and say that they are...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 c1149 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is not the first time in this Committee, and I suspect it will not be the last, wh...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 cc1149-1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Harding. If one is permitted to say...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 c1150 (Link to this contribution)

For me, one of the features of the schedule’s list of exempted sites is foreign state entities. T...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 c1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if we needed an example of something that gave us cause for concern, that would be it; ...

Baroness Merron | 829 cc1150-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has certainly been an interesting debate, and I am grateful to noble Lords on all si...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1152-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sympathetic to arguments that we must avoid imposing disproportionate burdens on r...

Lord Moylan | 829 c1153 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, while my noble friend is talking about the possibility of excessive and disproportionat...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1153-5 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill creates a substantial new role for Ofcom, but it has already substantially recruited and...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 cc1155-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank people for such a wide-ranging and interesting set of contributions. I take com...

Lord Moylan | 829 c1157 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

10: Clause 4, page 4, line 8, at end insert—

“(2A) This Ac...

Lord Moylan | 829 cc1157-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have to start with a slightly unprofessional confession. I accepted the Bill team’s s...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 cc1158-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to the amendments in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, on moderatio...

Baroness Kidron | 829 cc1159-1160 (Link to this contribution)

Far be it for me to suggest that all the amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Moylan, are in...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 829 c1160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitated to speak to the previous group of amendments, but I want to speak in suppor...

Lord Bethell | 829 cc1160-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I violently agree with my noble friend Lord Moylan that the grouping of this amendment ...

Baroness Benjamin | 829 c1161 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as might be expected, I will speak against Amendment 26 and will explain why.

The...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 cc1161-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to go back not just to the age question, the noble Lord, Lord Allan of Hallam, reminded...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 cc1162-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very strange debate. It has been the tail end of the last session and a...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 829 c1163 (Link to this contribution)

Like others, I had prepared quite extensive notes to respond to what I thought the noble Lord was...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1163-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree that this has been a rather unfortunate grouping and has led to a slightly stra...

Lord Moylan | 829 cc1164-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this slightly disjointed debate...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1165 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to make the point that I was talking about zero tolerance at the end of a ladder of t...

Lord Moylan | 829 c1165 (Link to this contribution)

I beg the noble Baroness’s pardon; I took that for granted. There are certain things—access to po...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 829 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

May I intervene, because I have also been named in the noble Lord’s response? My concern is about...

Lord Moylan | 829 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

Everything the noble Baroness has said is absolutely right, and I completely agree with her. The ...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

I am so sorry, but may I offer just one final thought from the health sector? While the noble Lor...

Lord Moylan | 829 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am now going to attempt for the third time to beg the House’s leave to withdraw my am...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1166 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

12A: Clause 6, page 5, line 11, at end insert ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1167 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of government amendments relates to risk assessments; it may be helpful if I...

Lord Allan of Hallam | 829 cc1167-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is risky to stand between people and their dinner, but I rise very briefly to welcom...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1168 (Link to this contribution)

I also welcome these amendments, but I have two very brief questions for the Minister. First, in ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 c1168 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, put her finger exactly on the two questions that I wan...

Baroness Merron | 829 cc1168-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for introducing this group, and we certainly welcome this...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1169-1170 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to noble Lords for their questions on this, and particularly grateful to the noble ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1170 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

12B: Clause 6, page 5, line 16, at end insert ...

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