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Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 24 January 2023, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Caine. The answering member was Baroness Smith of Basildon.
Lords motion that the House do now resolve itself into Committee. Amendment to the motion debated and withdrawn. Original motion agreed to on question. Lords committee stage first day. Clause 1 agreed to. Clause 2 under consideration. (Part 1 of 2)

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

827 cc111-172 

Session

2022-23

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Proceeding contributions


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Baroness O'Loan | 827 cc111-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, policing and justice were devolved to the Northern Ireland Assembly in 2009, years afte...

Viscount Hailsham | 827 c114 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak very briefly to the amendment moved by the noble Baroness, with which I a...

Lord Eames | 827 cc114-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in producing this amendment, the noble Baroness is representing the widespread frustrat...

Viscount Brookeborough | 827 cc115-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to say briefly why I support this amendment. I must declare an interest in that ...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 827 cc116-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too would like to thank the noble Baroness, Lady O’Loan, for tabling this amendment t...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 827 cc117-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a Member of this House coming from Northern Ireland, having represented a constituen...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 827 cc118-120 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at Second Reading I made clear my own distaste for the Bill and pleaded with the Govern...

Lord Cormack | 827 cc120-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, during my time as chairman of the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee in another place I...

Lord Dannatt | 827 cc121-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I realise that I run the risk of striking a discordant note in this afternoon’s debate,...

Viscount Hailsham | 827 c122 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with everything that the noble Lord has said. Would he agree that, at the end of the day,...

Lord Dannatt | 827 c122 (Link to this contribution)

I accept the noble Viscount’s point. I say simply that, if investigations are going to continue, ...

Viscount Brookeborough | 827 c122 (Link to this contribution)

I suggest that the noble Lord may have meant GB-based veterans and not UK-based veterans, since N...

Lord Dannatt | 827 c122 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that point entirely. I meant people such as me who live in England—I am three-quarters E...

Lord Hain | 827 c123 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in supporting the amendment from the noble Baroness, Lady O’Loan, I will not repeat the...

Lord Weir of Ballyholme | 827 cc123-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support the amendment in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady O’Loan. I am the f...

Baroness Suttie | 827 cc124-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too thank the noble Baroness, Lady O’Loan, for the amendment and for what, if I may s...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 827 cc126-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is rare that I speak in this House and say how disappointed I am to be here. But I t...

Lord Caine | 827 cc128-9 (Link to this contribution)

Well, my Lords, I said at Second Reading that I was well aware that this legislation had been met...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 827 c129 (Link to this contribution)

I point out to the Minister that, from my very deep recollection, the SDLP supported the Stormont...

Lord Caine | 827 cc129-131 (Link to this contribution)

As one who was in the room on 23 December 2014 when the final document was handed out, I think th...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 827 c131 (Link to this contribution)

Forgive me, my Lords, but I wanted to clarify that our position has always been that this Bill sh...

Lord Caine | 827 c131 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the noble Baroness’s tone and comments. The only point I was trying to make is that ...

Lord Hain | 827 c131 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. I actually agree with the last point he made. I thi...

Lord Caine | 827 c131 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. Without prolonging this, I hope that we might get to those amend...

Baroness O'Loan | 827 cc131-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I express my deep gratitude to everyone who spoke on the Bill today: noble Lords spoke ...

Baroness Suttie | 827 c132 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Suttie

1: Clause 1, page 2, leave out lines 30 to 38

Member’s...

Baroness Suttie | 827 c132 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 1 is in my name and those of the noble Lord, Lord Murphy of Torfaen, and the ...

Baroness Suttie | 827 c133 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, it was in response to my request. So I think we in this Chamber all recognise that the Mi...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 827 c134 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a signatory of Amendment 1 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Suttie, I am happ...

Baroness Hoey | 827 cc134-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I have a quick comment on the previous debate. Many noble Lords—in fact, nearly ...

Lord Eames | 827 c136 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in his response to the previous debate on the amendment in the name of the noble Barone...

Lord Caine | 827 c136 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would not normally intervene, but I thank the noble and right reverend Lord for his v...

Lord Eames | 827 cc136-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, turning to the amendment the noble Baroness, Lady Suttie, has brought to the attention ...

Lord Hain | 827 cc137-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly first to Amendment 63, which seems to be based on the premise that...

Baroness Hoey | 827 c138 (Link to this contribution)

I accept part of what the noble Lord is saying about how the victims feel about what has happened...

Lord Hain | 827 cc138-9 (Link to this contribution)

The point I am making is that there were files, and Operation Kenova has had access to those file...

Lord Weir of Ballyholme | 827 cc139-141 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will deal first with Amendment 1. I support this probing amendment. That is not neces...

Lord Browne of Ladyton | 827 cc141-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 71 and 83, which are in my name and that of my noble friend ...

Lord Hogan-Howe | 827 cc142-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support Amendment 147 from the noble Lord, Lord Hain. In passing, it might be...

Baroness O'Loan | 827 cc143-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 1 in this group, from the noble Baroness, Lady Suttie. She made the...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 827 c145 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to briefly comment on Amendment 52, which the noble Baroness raised, in relation...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 827 cc145-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a deeply respectful debate. A number of issues have come to light, and it...

Lord Weir of Ballyholme | 827 c147 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree with the point that the noble Baroness has made. However, to be fair to the nobl...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 827 c147 (Link to this contribution)

It may be. I do not have the amendment in front of me—I will look at it again later—but there see...

Baroness O'Loan | 827 c148 (Link to this contribution)

Proposed new subsection (5B) inserted by that amendment says that the commissioner

“must co...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 827 c148 (Link to this contribution)

That is helpful; I am grateful. It is “the close family member” as well.

A number of issues...

Lord Caine | 827 cc148-151 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to noble Lords for their contributions on this group of amendments. I will sta...

Baroness Suttie | 827 cc151-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree that this has been a very thoughtful and—as the noble Baroness, Lady Smith of B...

Baroness O'Loan | 827 c152 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness O'Loan

2: Clause 2, page 3, line 13, after “out” insert “investigat...

Baroness O'Loan | 827 cc152-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 2 to 4 in my name and the consequential amendments in this g...

Lord Hain | 827 cc154-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 2, which has been so ably moved by the noble Baroness, Lady O’Loan....

Baroness O'Loan | 827 c157 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise and crave the indulgence of the Committee. On the point that those who are ...

Lord Hain | 827 cc157-160 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for her interruption. She makes a telling correction, or...

Lord Cormack | 827 cc160-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was very glad to add my name to the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Hain, an...

Lord Blair of Boughton | 827 c161 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I need to apologise for not attending Second Reading, but I want to support the amendme...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 827 cc161-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady O’Loan. I have already...

Baroness Hoey | 827 cc162-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to my Amendment 34 about human rights, to which the noble Lords, Lord Gods...

Lord Hogan-Howe | 827 cc165-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendments. First, I was struck during the debate by this...

Lord Hain | 827 c166 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his support, which is extremely important. In making that important po...

Lord Hogan-Howe | 827 c166 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree. If you are able to say to a relative, “We are aware of a call and we know the c...

Baroness Suttie | 827 cc166-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be extremely brief, given the hour and the desire to move on to the dinner break...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 827 cc167-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I were still Secretary of State for Northern Ireland and someone had suggested to me...

Lord Caine | 827 cc168-170 (Link to this contribution)

As if I need reminding. I am grateful to all who have contributed to this extensive and far-reach...

Lord Hain | 827 c170 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the Minister’s point about some cases. The fear of victims is that “review” will be ...

Lord Caine | 827 c170 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful. What I had in mind with short review is that if there are specific facts to which ...

Lord Caine | 827 cc170-1 (Link to this contribution)

Not the Secretary of State but the director of investigations, because the commission will be ope...

Baroness O'Loan | 827 cc171-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those very powerful voices that have been heard in the Chamber tonight. I a...

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