Northern Ireland Protocol Bill
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Before the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, moves his amendment, I advise the Committee that I will not b...
Moved by
Lord Purvis of Tweed
36: Clause 18, page 10, line 9, leave out subsection (1...
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My Lords, I move Amendment 36. As with previous amendments of a similar character, I am grateful ...
My Lords, I just wonder what Clause 18 is supposed to mean. Does it really mean that the Minister...
My Lords, I take this opportunity to ask my noble friend the Minister what discussions there have...
My Lords, I support Amendments 36 and 38 for the reasons that have been so eloquently set out alr...
My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Altmann, who highlights quite clear...
My Lords, when the purpose and the intended effect of a clause are unclear, it sometimes helps to...
To follow the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, I wonder whether one route might be for the Minister to g...
My Lords, I will speak in favour of Amendment 38, tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie of D...
My Lords, here we are again. I could not disagree with anything that has been said by anyone who ...
Wait for it.
Of course, everything is discerning and discriminating.
I would like the Minister to give u...
I have reached the same conclusion as the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, but via a slightly different ...
Before the noble Lord sits down, could he go one step further and ask my noble friend the Ministe...
He has done so.
My Lords, Amendment 38, among others, refers to the role of the Northern Ireland Assembly in appr...
Does the noble Lord accept that in Northern Ireland, when we have a democratic vacuum, the men of...
The noble Lord is correct. I agree that history tells us that a vacuum will be filled, and it wil...
My Lords, we have ranged once again, in a debate on one of the amendments, far and wide across th...
May I clarify something? My position is that there will be no progress with these talks until the...
My Lords, I maintained a Trappist silence throughout all the earlier debates on this Bill. I may ...
My Lords, this has been unusual in the debates that we have had so far in that far more has been ...
I am very grateful to the noble Lord but the Committee has heard repeated explanations of what th...
I am grateful to the noble Lord for sidestepping the question by saying that he does not need to ...
I heard the responses given to my noble friend so far, which he seems reluctant to accept. If he ...
I certainly do not say absolutely that Article 16 is not the way to proceed, but I have spoken to...
I will put the two in touch discreetly and thereby not betray confidences.
I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord and I am grateful for his patience, but it really is not g...
I am saying that there may well be problems. Indeed, I asked the noble Lord the other day, down t...
My Lords, this has indeed been a very wide-ranging debate, but I will comment specifically on the...
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate on the amendments and the wi...
I am very grateful to the Minister. Can I press him for a moment on what I understand to be his e...
I would put it slightly differently. That is the section I referred to, but it is to provide clar...
Could I complete my point? I am very grateful to the Minister but I am puzzled by that explanatio...
My Lords, I suppose that, with any Bill, the challenge for the Government is often to provide add...
The Minister just indicated that discussions have taken place with the devolved Administrations. ...
I know that these discussions have certainly taken place at an official level. My understanding i...
I am sorry to interrupt but I am most grateful to my noble friend. The noble Lord, Lord Empey, ma...
As I said to the noble Lord, Lord Empey, I will certainly take back his comments and constructive...
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his response and to those who have taken part. I felt...
This was the subject of conversation, but the noble Lord will be aware that my right honourable f...
I am grateful to the Minister.
When the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, says that he is miles away f...
Would the noble Lord deal with the Article 50 point? If it is intrinsically temporary and transit...
That is the point. We have now legislated for it, and the element we have legislated for includes...
Moved by
Baroness Chapman of Darlington
39: Clause 19, page 10, line 17, leave out “t...
My Lords, I will allow a couple of seconds for people who have obviously got it off their chest d...
We support the amendment in the name of the noble Baroness. In supporting it, I want to make two ...
My Lords, I speak briefly to support Clause 19 not standing part of the Bill. Both the noble Baro...
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this brief debate. I turn first to A...
Does Clause 19 not replace CRaG in respect of amendments to the protocol?
My Lords, I have already said that the Bill does nothing to affect the procedures applying under ...
If that is the case, would the Minister be sympathetic to an amendment on Report that puts that i...
My Lords, I think my priority is to complete Committee. Of course, I look forward to Report and t...
Before the Minister sits down, can he tell me whether there are any other circumstances in which ...
My Lords, I am sure the noble Lord will excuse me if I say that I do not have an instant response...
There is nothing in Clause 19 on consent. If there is an agreement, what is the Government’s posi...
My understanding is that we would certainly abide by our previous commitments in that respect. In...
I do not think we are very happy about this. The Minister says that he wants to address stability...
Moved by
Baroness Suttie
40: Clause 20, page 10, line 32, at end insert—
“but t...
My Lords, Amendment 40 in my name is co-signed by the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie of Downpatrick...
My Lords, I will speak in favour of Amendment 40 in my name and that of the noble Baroness, Lady ...
My Lords, like the noble Baroness, I hope to be able to be present for the unveiling of the portr...
My Lords, I want to make a brief comment on Amendment 40, which is about approval by a resolution...
My Lords, I did not intend to come in at this stage—there are further amendments later that I am ...
My Lords, I want briefly to follow what the noble Lords, Lord Murphy and Lord Dodds, have said. T...
My Lords, I shall make a short comment on Amendment 40 proposed by the noble Baronesses, Lady Sut...
My Lords, I draw attention to the suggestion that Clause 20 should not stand part. During these C...
I very much support what the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, said, and add that it seems quite astonish...
I echo, from a non-legal point of view, the points made by the previous two speakers but, when lo...
My Lords, we had a brief debate on matters relating to the European court last week, which largel...
My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for their participation in this debate. I will first addre...
I thank the Minister for giving way. Does he not agree that it would be much better to undertake ...
I stress, not for the first time from the Dispatch Box by myself or my noble friends on the Front...
The Advocate-General will have had the opportunity to reflect on a previous day in Committee, whe...
My Lords, interpretation of foreign law is a matter with which all three jurisdictions in the Uni...
If the role of the court of justice is, as the Minister puts it, a major obstacle because of demo...
I am grateful to the noble Lord for raising the point. The Government have always anticipated tha...
Can I just ask the noble and learned Lord as a lawyer what he was meaning when he gave an explana...
The noble and learned Baroness doubtless speaks rhetorically. I have the utmost respect for her i...
I am following up what the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, just said. The implicat...
With the utmost respect to my noble friend’s question, I do not feel I can go further from the Di...
Will the Minister give way?
Before I do, I say that, in response to an earlier point on which I undertook to write, I am noti...
That gives me an opportunity to thank the Minister for his efficiency. I look forward to reading ...
My Lords, the courts of the United Kingdom are fully competent to interpret and apply the law. Th...
In relation to the European Court of Justice and access for the people and businesses of Northern...
I think this perhaps overlaps with the point that the noble Lord, Lord Purvis of Tweed, raised, b...
My Lords, I thank the Minister—not least because, as a fellow Scot, he pronounces my name correct...
Moved by
Baroness Doocey
43B: After Clause 20, insert the following new Clause—
My Lords, this amendment seeks to make two important changes to the Bill: it removes the unworkab...
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Doocey, for introducing the amendment; much that she s...
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Doocey, for her amendment because it goes to the heart...
My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Doocey, for her amendment because it roo...
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. In particular I thank the n...
Although what the Minister has just said is very welcome, ordinarily there would be engagement so...
I know that the noble Baroness, and other noble Lords—the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, among them—hav...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for the way he has accepted what I have said. It is very important...
Moved by
Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede
44: Clause 22, page 11, line 15, leave out subsec...
My Lords, Amendment 44, in the name of my noble friend Lady Chapman of Darlington, concerns Henry...
My Lords, I keep hearing the words “democratic accountability” and then I look at the Bill and I ...
My Lords, as we go through this Committee, we are discussing clauses that confound constitutional...
I want to add to the two speeches that have just been given, with every word of which I agree. Th...
My Lords, it is very hard to follow those three eminent contributions. The egregious nature of th...
My Lords, I wish to add for a moment or two to what has been some pretty powerful gunfire from th...
My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord. I take the point that he made about Clause 2...
I am following the noble Lord closely on this point. Does he realise that today Maroš Šefčovič ta...
Of course. It appears that things may have moved on, because once all these ideas were dismissed ...
My Lords, I thank—I think—all noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. There were some...
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. The example he cited with regard to the operability...
My Lords, I was merely emphasising. I did refer to earlier clauses as well when I was giving one ...
The clause says that regulations under this Act may make
“any provision that could be made ...
As I said, we are seeking to put a power in the Bill, and I will provide clarification on that. E...
Perhaps I could invite the noble Lord, when he writes to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, ...
I shall of course cover the specific point the noble Lord has highlighted, as well. I appreciate ...
I am very grateful to the Minister before he sits down. He sort of glossed over Clause 22(3) by, ...
On that point and the earlier issue of why this is specific, we want to avoid a border between th...
Before the Minister is allowed to resume his seat, I understand and accept that the Secretary of ...
My Lords, I will not go into the speculative nature of what each devolved Administration will say...
The constitutional point is clearly the huge point here; mine is a minor addition. Would the nobl...
That was almost a rhetorical question being posed to me. What I can say in response is that the e...
The Minister is being patient with us and I know everybody is hungry. As the Minister has generou...
This is turning into a very long letter. I think I am going to get something from the Box which s...
My Lords, the Minister has been put in an impossible situation. I thank all noble Lord who have s...
Moved by
Baroness Hoey
45: Clause 22, page 11, line 16, at end insert “, but may not ...
My Lords, in moving this amendment I will also, in some detail—I apologise, but I have not spoken...
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Hoey, for this amendment. She knows from many discussi...
My Lords, I have three amendments in this group but, before referring to them, I say that obvious...
My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie of Downpatrick. I have just...
My Lords, I shall add a few remarks. The constitutional position of Northern Ireland within the U...
For the avoidance of doubt, and for the information of the noble Lord, Lord McCrea, when I say “c...
I thank the noble Baroness. That then begs the question: why is it not in her amendment? Why is i...
My Lords, this is an extraordinary clause. The speech made by the noble Baroness, Lady Hoey, intr...
My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who spoke in this debate. I rather hesitate to say thi...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response, and particularly for his reassertion of the Unit...
Moved by
Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede (Lab)
56: After Clause 22, insert the following n...
My Lords, Amendment 56 deals with the
“Duty to seek an agreement on outstanding issues with...
My Lords, I support this amendment. I have spoken on a number of previous occasions about the fac...
My Lords, I too support my noble friend’s amendment. When we look at this pointless and rather da...
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions. Perhaps I may pick up on a couple of p...
My Lords, it has been a short debate which has gone over some territory that we have covered a nu...
While there are discussions going on, I do not want to anticipate which department will give a St...
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Moved by
Baroness Chapman of Darlington
57: After Clause 22, insert the following new...
My Lords, I will be very brief. I do not want to spend too much time on this amendment. Essential...
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for the amendment and her explanation. On her second point a...
I do not really feel the need to reply. I think we have said everything that can be said on this ...
Moved by
Baroness Chapman of Darlington (Lab)
59: After Clause 22, insert the followi...
Similarly, these amendments would require the Secretary of State to publish and consult on draft ...
My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 59. Again, I suppose the final thing is about approach. There...
I am obviously happy to withdraw the amendment. I note what the Minister just said about understa...
My Lords, I will have to disappoint the noble Baroness on that point. I cannot give a specific co...
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Moved by
Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede
65: Clause 23, page 12, line 25, leave out from “...
My Lords, Amendments 65 and 66 would make most regulations under the Bill subject to the affirmat...
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for moving this amendment. I also recognise his point about thes...
I beg leave to withdraw Amendment 65.
Moved by
Baroness McIntosh of Pickering
71: Clause 26, page 15, line 45, at end inser...
My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to move this simple amendment. Basically, I am sugges...
My Lords, I thank my noble friend for moving the amendment. I understand and acknowledge that she...
I am grateful to my noble friend for his response and I will consider what to do between now and ...
Moved by
Lord Purvis of Tweed
72: Clause 26, page 15, line 45, at end insert—
“...
My Lords, I think the noble Baroness, Lady Hoey, brought about some cross-community consensus ear...
My Lords, I want to make it very clear to the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, that I love listening to h...
My Lords, I commend the noble Lord, Lord Purvis of Tweed, because I think I heard him say earlier...
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have participated in this brief debate. I thank the noble L...
I am grateful to the Minister, as always. I thank him, the noble Lord, Lord Caine, and the noble ...