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Northern Ireland Protocol Bill

Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 2 to 8 agreed to. (Part 1 of 2).

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825 cc23-82 

Session

2022-23

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Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber

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Northern Ireland Protocol Bill
Monday, 31 October 2022
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Tuesday, 10 January 2023
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Proceeding contributions


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Lord Howell of Guildford | 825 c23 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before we proceed with this Committee, can we be assured that there is not a plan to al...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 825 c23 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I believe it would be for the convenience of the House if I were to put the Question to...

Lord Cormack | 825 c23 (Link to this contribution)

I understand my noble friend’s desire for clarity and certainty, but the Government would be perf...

Baroness Suttie | 825 c24 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Suttie

4: Clause 2, page 1, line 17, at end insert—

“(A1) Thi...

Baroness Suttie | 825 cc24-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also speak to Amendment 5, in my name and that of the noble Baroness, Lady Ritch...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 825 cc25-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am absolutely delighted to add my name to this suite of amendments in the name of the...

Lord Cormack | 825 cc27-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Harold Macmillan, that great Tory Prime Minister, had a quotation on his desk or wall—I...

Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 825 cc28-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support these amendments tabled by my noble friend Lady Suttie and signed by ...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 825 cc29-30 (Link to this contribution)

I support the amendment, so ably moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Suttie, for a simple reason. I...

Lord Browne of Belmont | 825 cc30-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments would subject aspects of the Bill to the approval of the Northern Irelan...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 cc31-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Suttie in her amendments. Notwithstanding the appeal fro...

Lord Bew | 825 cc32-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to put a technical point. I am not sure of the answer—it is a genuine question—b...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 825 c33 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that external trade is a reserved matter, but here we are talking about trade inside the ...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 825 cc33-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for a number of years I was shadow Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. I have not ...

Baroness Altmann | 825 c35 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baronesses, Lady Suttie and Lady Ritchie, on their amendment. ...

Lord Campbell of Pittenweem | 825 cc35-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Dodds, made a powerful—emotional, to some extent—speech last week ...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 825 c36 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is indeed a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Campbell, with whom I had ...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 825 cc36-9 (Link to this contribution)

Other Members have had their say so I am going to proceed in terms of my speech.

The amendm...

Lord Pannick | 825 c39 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not going to comment on the politics of Northern Ireland—I am a mere lawyer—but th...

Lord Frost | 825 cc39-40 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I appreciate that I am a relative newcomer to this House, but I had understood that in ...

Lord Frost | 825 c40 (Link to this contribution)

No other noble Lords have taken interventions, so I will complete my points if I may.

It is...

Baroness Altmann | 825 c40 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for giving way. The view that I think many around the Committee hold is t...

Lord Frost | 825 c41 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for her comments; she is correct to say that the situation last year was ...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 825 c41 (Link to this contribution)

I did not plan on speaking in this debate, but I think it is only right that somebody should than...

Lord Hannan of Kingsclere | 825 cc41-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had been planning to speak on the detail of the amendments. It seems to me to be quit...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 825 cc42-3 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a much more wide-ranging debate than I had anticipated. I guess we will see a lot o...

Lord Caine | 825 cc43-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I trust that the Committee will forgive me if I, somewhat unfashionably, pay lip servic...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 825 c46 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister for giving way. Could he perhaps give an instance in which Nor...

Lord Caine | 825 c46 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is a former diplomat. He is a far greater expert on these matters than I will ever...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 c46 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I know that we will come on to the application of...

Lord Caine | 825 c46 (Link to this contribution)

As the noble Lord rightly pointed out, we will deal with this subject in the fourth group of amen...

Baroness Suttie | 825 cc46-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by echoing the Minister’s comments on May Blood. On behalf of these Benches, I ...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 cc47-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Purvis of Tweed

7: Clause 4, page 3, line 13, leave out subsection (3)<...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 cc48-50 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to move Amendment 7 and to perhaps add some mascara to this porcine proposal for the satis...

Earl of Kinnoull | 825 cc50-1 (Link to this contribution)

I was hoping that others would take on the strain. I spoke at Second Reading, and I have tried to...

Lord Cormack | 825 cc51-2 (Link to this contribution)

In effect, we have heard this evening a reiteration of Dunning’s Motion in the reign of George II...

Lord Pannick | 825 c52 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with the noble Lord, particularly in relation to his tribute to the noble and ...

Lord Lilley | 825 cc52-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I came into Parliament nearly 40 years ago and was told first of all that you should ne...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 825 c53 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in an earlier debate the noble Baroness, Lady Chapman of Darlington, pointed out preced...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 825 cc53-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, set out this group of amendments, he rightly said tha...

Lord Bew | 825 cc54-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am well aware of the sensitivity in this House regarding Henry VIII powers, and I res...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 825 cc55-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Bew, raises a fascinating conundrum, but what he said about Articl...

Earl of Kinnoull | 825 cc56-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I really agree with every word that has just been said. I have another suggestion for t...

Lord Campbell of Pittenweem | 825 c57 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not rehearse what I said previously about Article 16, but I will see if I can an...

Lord Bew | 825 c57 (Link to this contribution)

If I may intervene briefly, I have tried to explain that I had an intense relationship with Artic...

Lord Campbell of Pittenweem | 825 c57 (Link to this contribution)

But if the consequence of doing so is to embrace a Bill which

Baroness Ludford | 825 c58 (Link to this contribution)

To prevent the noble Lord, Lord Bew, having to get up and sit down again, I ask him again to appr...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 825 c58 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, is there not a very short answer to all of this: not to proceed with the Bill?

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 825 c58 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I may make a short point before the Minister gets up to speak, it is clear that we a...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 825 cc59-62 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I acknowledge that, as with the previous group, we have perhaps gone wider than the spe...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 825 c61 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is referring to the dual regulatory regime. I would like the Government to understan...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 825 c61 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it would be a choice for that particular business or sector, as my noble friend Lord Ca...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 c63 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. We will get to SPS issues later, as well as some of the cu...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 825 c63 (Link to this contribution)

I am not clear on the noble Lord’s point. What have the Government accepted?

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 c63 (Link to this contribution)

The Government have admitted that these are breaches of the obligations under the protocol becaus...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 825 c63 (Link to this contribution)

But if the original instrument is not working in the first place, which it is not—

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 825 c63 (Link to this contribution)

It is all very well to be critical. I accept the points that have been made about Article 16, but...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 c64 (Link to this contribution)

Let us have an extra set of processes if we are now scrutinising alternative proposals. We are ho...

Baroness Newlove | 825 c64 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if Amendment 9 is agreed to, I will not be able to call Amendment 10, by reason of pre-...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 c64 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Purvis of Tweed

9: Clause 5, page 4, line 14, leave out subsection (1)<...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 cc64-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Clauses 5 and 6 standing part. There is consistency in some of th...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 825 cc65-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak briefly to Amendments 10 and 11, which we have tabled because, like the noble Lord, ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 825 cc67-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord and the noble Baroness. On that final point from the noble Baroness, Lady ...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 825 c68 (Link to this contribution)

I think I may be a bit premature; I was going to ask the Minister for an example, but I have a fe...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 825 c68 (Link to this contribution)

The example that I was just detailing is that, in this clause, this would potentially limit the a...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 825 c68 (Link to this contribution)

The example was good, but I am not sure that it meets the question in my amendment. I would have ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 825 cc68-9 (Link to this contribution)

As I have alluded to, it is a question of where that bar is set. The Government are, in this inst...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 cc69-70 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his reply—he can tell his kids that we are also doing...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 cc70-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the patience of the Committee on this trio of groups. Clauses 7 to 10...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 825 c72 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, for his clear elucidation of the impact of these amendments....

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 825 cc72-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having listened to the debate thus far, I have again noticed that a number of noble Lor...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 c75 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord McCrea, for giving way. I am following his argument very c...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 825 c75 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his intervention, but I want to develop the point on the Matthews case...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 825 c76 (Link to this contribution)

I yield to none in my respect for the noble Lord, Lord McCrea, and the way he pursues this argume...

Lord Hain | 825 c76 (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord accept a small intervention to follow up on the point he made about the democ...

Earl of Kinnoull | 825 c76 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I ask the Minister a more technical question about the interrelationship between the tr...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 825 c77 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak first to Amendments 13 and 14, in the name of my noble friend Lady Chapma...

Lord Caine | 825 cc77-81 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to convince noble Lords of the merits of the dual reg...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 825 cc81-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for both the Minister’s full response and his offer to write when he has ...

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