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Schools Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 12 July 2022, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Barran and Baroness Penn. The answering members were Baroness Chapman of Darlington and Baroness Wilcox of Newport.
Lords report stage first day. After debate, report received. Amendment 4 agreed to. Amendments 6 to 9 agreed to. Amendments 11 to 29 agreed to. Amendment 30 disagreed to on division (82 to 145). Amendments 35 to 36 agreed to. Amendment 39 agreed to. Amendment 40 agreed to. Amendments 48 to 56 agreed to. Amendment 58 disagreed to on division (51 to 108). Amendment 61 agreed. (Part 1 of 2).

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2022-23

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Report stage

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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Barran | 823 c1369 (Link to this contribution)

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Baroness Barran

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 823 cc1369-1370 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I propose to your Lordships’ House that Report not be received and that consideration o...


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Lord Cormack | 823 cc1370-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had no intention of following the noble Baroness until she began to speak. I do not a...

Lord Balfe | 823 cc1371-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I commend my noble friend Lord Cormack for his courage. I probably would not have got u...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 cc1372-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what my noble friend Lord Cormack said about this Bill. We are in the most ex...

Lord Wei | 823 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support both propositions of delay, particularly not giving the Bill a Third Reading....

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 823 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support the noble Lord, Lord Baker, in particular. The Minister liste...

Lord Addington | 823 cc1373-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly speak to this. I agree with the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Knig...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 823 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as my noble friend Lord Knight said, we should proceed with Report. I am happy to have ...

Baroness Barran | 823 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall try to address very briefly the points raised by the noble Baroness and other M...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 823 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this unplanned and, I think, quite frui...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 c1375 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath

1: Clause 1, page 2, line 18, at end insert—

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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 c1375 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether the Minister would like to speak.

Baroness Barran | 823 cc1375-6 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord. With the leave of the House, I hope it will be helpful to your Lordships ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 823 c1376 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, would the Minister also consider coming to this House to make a Statement when the prop...

Baroness Barran | 823 c1376 (Link to this contribution)

I am more than happy to take that suggestion back to the department and consider it.

Lord Grocott | 823 c1376 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should like more clarity from the Minister about the procedure that will be adopted a...

Baroness Barran | 823 c1376 (Link to this contribution)

When I come to speak at the end of this group, I will set out a bit more about our plans for enga...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 cc1376-7 (Link to this contribution)

Following what the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, said, as I understand it, the Minister has said that...

Baroness Barran | 823 c1377 (Link to this contribution)

I will respond briefly to my noble friend. On his first point, it will be agreed through the usua...

Lord Addington | 823 c1377 (Link to this contribution)

When the Minister said “one day”, did she mean that, when we are dealing with the replacement cla...

Baroness Barran | 823 c1377 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that we will have one day for the new clauses, which will be handled under wh...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc1377-8 (Link to this contribution)

If I may, I would like to respond to my noble friend’s other points. It is extremely important, g...

Lord Judge | 823 c1378 (Link to this contribution)

I want us to pocket the clauses that the Government are going to give way on. Let us get rid of c...

Lord Cormack | 823 c1378 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord. In view of the extraordinary and frankly unprecedent...

Lord Grocott | 823 c1378 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can we just be clear about where we are? We have not yet agreed to consider the Report ...

Baroness Penn | 823 c1378 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the House did just agree to consider its Report stage. The noble and learned Lord, Lord...

Lord Grocott | 823 c1378 (Link to this contribution)

If that is the case, I must have dozed off at some stage. Does it not say “Report be now received...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 cc1379-1380 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I think we are debating my Amendment 1, it might be helpful if we carried on, becaus...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 823 c1380 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment proposed is to insert the words on the Marshalled List at Clause 1 on pag...

Lord Judge | 823 cc1380-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak in a moment to Amendments 4, 7 and 9, but can I go back to the discussion ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 823 c1381 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is time that we made some progress. The noble Lord, Lord Knight, proposed that the B...

Baroness Penn | 823 c1381 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for absolute clarity, I say that we have had the Motion on the House considering Report...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

I very much support what the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, said. As the Convenor of the Cro...

Baroness Barran | 823 c1382 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to my noble friend but the president of the Association of Directors of Children’s Se...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 cc1382-3 (Link to this contribution)

When I looked through the list of committee members, I could not see anyone representing local au...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 823 c1383 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly, focusing on this group of amendments and to help the House move o...

Lord Addington | 823 cc1383-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments is basically a series of stand part debates and “Let’s get rid...

Lord Grocott | 823 cc1384-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say very briefly that amid the myriad arguments on this group and, indeed, throughout...

Lord Nash | 823 c1385 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as chair of a multi-academy trust, Future Academies, and a truste...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 823 cc1385-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having listened to everything that has been said, it is very tempting to rub salt in th...

Lord Agnew of Oulton | 823 cc1386-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too thank my noble friend the Minister for listening, I think she has had a torrid ti...

Lord Lexden | 823 c1388 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, may I just point out that Mr Johnson and his colleagues sought no mandate for the subst...

Lord Harris of Peckham | 823 cc1388-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister. She has been to one of our conferences with 200 people, and I am ...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc1389-1392 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start with an apology. Many of your Lordships started by saying that your remarks wou...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 cc1392-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been a very interesting debate, and I am very grateful to the Minister because I...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 823 c1393 (Link to this contribution)

I think Amendment 4 is in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Addington.

I am so sorry. I have...

Lord Judge | 823 c1393 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Judge

4: Leave out Clause 1

Lord Judge | 823 c1393 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move Amendment 4, and I think the House might be quite pleased to agree to it.

Baroness Barran | 823 c1393 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

6: Leave out Clause 2

Member's explanatory statement

Lord Judge | 823 c1394 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Judge

7: Leave out Clause 3

Baroness Barran | 823 c1394 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

8: Leave out Schedule 1

Member's explanatory statement...

Lord Judge | 823 c1394 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Judge

9: Leave out Clause 4

Lord Storey | 823 c1394 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Storey

10: After Clause 4, insert the following new Clause—

“Acad...

Lord Storey | 823 cc1395-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall move Amendment 10 in my name and speak to my Amendment 43 in this group. I pref...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 cc1396-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the unavoidable absence of my noble friend Lady Blower I shall speak to Amendments 3...

Duke of Wellington | 823 cc1398-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to Amendment 42 in my name, and I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Bake...

Bishop of Durham | 823 cc1399-1400 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Storey, that there are many maintained and voluntary-...

Lord Shipley | 823 cc1400-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is attached to Amendment 10. As we start Report, I remind the House that I am a...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 cc1401-3 (Link to this contribution)

I support the amendment about specialist schools in the name of the noble Duke, the Duke of Welli...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 823 cc1402-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, our Amendment 44 would remove the exemption that teachers in academies have from needin...

Lord Lucas | 823 c1404 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am attracted by the noble Baronesses’ Amendment 45. From a parent’s point of view, I ...

Baroness Hooper | 823 c1405 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Duke, the Duke of Wellington, in his Amendment 42. I declare an int...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc1405-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments reflect the House’s interest in ensuring that the regulatory framework...

Lord Storey | 823 c1406 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her response. It is refreshing to have a Minister who listens and who is...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

11: Leave out Clause 5

Lord Nash | 823 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

12: Leave out Clause 6

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

13: Leave out Clause 7

Baroness Barran | 823 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

14: Leave out Schedule 2

Member’s explanatory statemen...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

15: Leave out Clause 8

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

16: Leave out Clause 9

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

17: Leave out Clause 10

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

18: Leave out Clause 11

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

19: Leave out Clause 12

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

20: Leave out Clause 13

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

21: Leave out Clause 14

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

22: Leave out Clause 15

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

23: Leave out Clause 16

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

24: Leave out Clause 17

Lord Baker of Dorking | 823 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Baker of Dorking

25: Leave out Clause 18

Baroness Penn | 823 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Penn

26: Clause 20, page 14, line 32, leave out from beginning to “...

Baroness Penn | 823 cc1410-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group primarily relate to schools with a religious character, al...

Baroness Meacher | 823 cc1412-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 30 in this group. I thank the noble Lord, Lord Mendelsohn, a...

Baroness Whitaker | 823 cc1413-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very happy to support the amendment so clearly set out by the noble Baroness, Lady...

Bishop of Durham | 823 cc1414-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to all the amendments in this group, and in doing so declare my interes...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 823 cc1415-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the right reverend Prelate in everything he has said. He will recall ...

Lord Mann | 823 cc1416-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I feel obliged to make a few comments on the question of what is and what is not religi...

Lord Storey | 823 cc1417-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I ought to declare an interest as a former head teacher of a Church of England school. ...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 823 c1418 (Link to this contribution)

I have several things in common with the noble Lord, Lord Storey. One is that I also chaired the ...

Baroness Penn | 823 cc1418-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. I also reiterate the Govern...

Baroness Penn | 823 cc1419-1420 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Penn

27: Clause 20, page 14, line 39, leave out “that may be”

Baroness Meacher | 823 c1420 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Meacher

30: After Clause 27, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Meacher | 823 c1420 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I particularly thank the noble ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 cc1421-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath

31: Clause 28, page 21, line 19, at end insert—

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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 cc1423-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I return to the subject of grammar schools with two modest amendments, which I am sure ...

Lord Shipley | 823 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name appears on Amendments 47 and 106. I want briefly to say that I am very strongly...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 823 cc1425-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate my noble friend Lord Hunt on his Amendments 31 and 32. He explained them...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc1426-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for their contributions to the debate. I will start with Amendments 31 and 32...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 cc1429-1430 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we should all be grateful to the Minister for a very full response. I think it is disap...

Baroness Barran | 823 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

35: Clause 29, page 23, line 36, at end insert “, and

...

Baroness Henig | 823 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

If Amendment 36 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 37 and 38 on grounds of pre-emption.

Baroness Barran | 823 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

36: Clause 29, page 24, line 1, leave out subsections (4) to...

Baroness Barran | 823 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

39: After Clause 29, insert the following new Clause—

...

Duke of Wellington | 823 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

The Duke of Wellington

42: After Clause 29, insert the following new Clause...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc1430-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the leave of the House, I would like to add a clarification to the remarks I made ...

Duke of Wellington | 823 c1432 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for yet another conversation that we have had on this sub...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc1432-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

48: Clause 32, page 27, leave out lines 30 and 31

Memb...

Baroness Barran | 823 c1433 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

55: Clause 33, page 29, line 18, leave out subsection (3)

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 c1433 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath

57: Clause 34, page 29, line 34, at end insert—

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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 c1434 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my amendment is based on discussions with the Local Government Association—although, un...

Lord Storey | 823 cc1434-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, for reminding me that I should declare my interest a...

Bishop of Durham | 823 cc1435-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to all these amendments. I declare my interest as chair of the National S...

Lord Shipley | 823 c1437 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to add a comment about a recent report by the abrdn Financial Fairness Trust and...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 823 cc1437-8 (Link to this contribution)

First, I congratulate my noble friend Lord Hunt on his amendment in this group. I see it as a saf...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc1438-1440 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by responding to Amendment 57 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, on the ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 823 cc1440-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a short but very interesting debate. On the issue of local authority invo...

Lord Storey | 823 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Storey

58: After Clause 39, insert the following new Clause—

“Pro...

Lord Storey | 823 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to test the opinion of the House.

Baroness Barran | 823 cc1441-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

61: Before Schedule 3, insert the following new Schedule—

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