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Schools Bill [HL]

Lords committee stage third day. Clause 29 agreed to as amended. Clause 30 agreed to. New clause agreed to. Clauses 31 to 32 agreed to. (Part 1 of 2).

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2022-23

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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Barran | 822 c1600 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the leave of the House, I will say a few words following days one and two in Commi...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 c1600 (Link to this contribution)

I will press the Minister. Should those amendments that she comes back with on Report, which is h...


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Lord Addington | 822 c1600 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will just follow up on that. It would be helpful if we could get some clarity on what...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 c1600 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister intending to conduct some kind of regulatory review and consultation prior to Rep...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1600 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure all your Lordships understand that the timing and content of what we discuss at Report ...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 c1600 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister still intend to have Report in July this year?

Baroness Barran | 822 c1600 (Link to this contribution)

I repeat to my noble friend that this is not a decision that I can make; it is a decision for the...

Lord Grocott | 822 c1600 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the specific question my noble friend Lady Chapman asked was about a quite common proce...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1601 (Link to this contribution)

I am unable to give any more clarification on that point at this stage. I am sorry that I cannot ...

Baroness Blower | 822 c1601 (Link to this contribution)

I realise that the Minister is not able to say anything further about the timing with regard to C...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1601 (Link to this contribution)

I have already said at the Dispatch Box that the regulatory review will begin within weeks. I am ...

Lord Blunkett | 822 c1601 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, may I just try this then with the Minister, who is doing her best in very difficult cir...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1601 (Link to this contribution)

I am more than happy to commit to taking back the views of the House to the Secretary of State.

Bishop of Chichester | 822 c1601 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Lord Bishop of Chichester

59: Clause 29, page 23, line 23, leave out “of...

Bishop of Chichester | 822 cc1601-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak on behalf of my colleague, the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Dur...

Duke of Wellington | 822 cc1602-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 60A and I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, fo...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 822 cc1604-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the arguments just made by the noble Duke about maths schools. I am not sure ...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 822 c1605 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Durham’s amendments, so ably spoken ...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 cc1605-6 (Link to this contribution)

I should perhaps declare an interest on the amendments moved by the right reverend Prelate the Bi...

Baroness Penn | 822 cc1606-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will start by responding to Amendments 59, 64 to 67, and 71 to 74 in the name of the ...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 c1607 (Link to this contribution)

I am a little confused. In the White Paper, the Government’s intention around MATs is quite clear...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1607 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely understand that point. I was simply reassuring the noble Duke that within this Bill ...

Lord Addington | 822 c1607 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened to what the Minister has said, having not joined in on the debate on this amendme...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1608 (Link to this contribution)

We are saying that joining a multi-academy trust is a good idea and that we would like everyone t...

Viscount Eccles | 822 c1608 (Link to this contribution)

I may be wrong, but is there not a route to making it enforceable, or close to enforceable, by wa...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1608 (Link to this contribution)

I sought to confirm the point that was directly raised by the noble Duke about the powers within ...

Duke of Wellington | 822 c1608 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for her various replies. I am not nearly as expert on the...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1608 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the reassurances that the noble Duke seeks. I reassure him that we understand the un...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 c1609 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that the powers in the Bill including ones for single-academy trusts to be su...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1609 (Link to this contribution)

I take the noble Lord’s point. I absolutely reassure him that that is not the intention. I will a...

Viscount Eccles | 822 c1609 (Link to this contribution)

May I just articulate another problem I have? The noble Baroness used the word “intention”. When ...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1609 (Link to this contribution)

I was clear about the Government’s intention for these powers, which is not to use them to make s...

Lord Deben | 822 c1609 (Link to this contribution)

In that spirit, will my noble friend also discover whether the Government have the power to use t...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1610 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend’s contribution falls within the remit of the undertaking that I have already give...

Lord Grocott | 822 c1610 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to my mind, the various assurances the Minister has given present a further complicatio...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1610 (Link to this contribution)

To be clear, the undertaking I gave was around the Bill’s powers being used to compel an existing...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 c1610 (Link to this contribution)

I think the noble Baroness knows what we are getting at here. She has said that she will endeavou...

Baroness Penn | 822 cc1610-1 (Link to this contribution)

The most successful multi-academy trusts build on the strengths of these types of schools. The in...

Bishop of Chichester | 822 c1611 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment in the name of the noble Duke, the Duke of Wellington, has produced far m...

Baroness Blower | 822 c1611 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Blower

60: Clause 29, page 23, line 24, at end insert “only with th...

Baroness Blower | 822 cc1611-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 60, perhaps I might be of assistance to the noble Duke, the Duke of...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 cc1613-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow my noble friend. I have added my name to her Amendment...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 822 cc1615-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 75, in the names of the noble Baroness, Lady Blower, and the...

Lord Grocott | 822 cc1616-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot resist making one general observation about the whole debate on these amendmen...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 822 c1617 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I can beg the Committee’s indulgence for a second, it is my birthday today.

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 822 cc1617-8 (Link to this contribution)

For the second successive year, I am here in the Chamber debating an education Bill. At least whe...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1618-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group are concerned mainly with rights of consultation and conse...

Lord Deben | 822 c1619 (Link to this contribution)

I am rather attracted by the concept that the Government should be very clear about the reasons w...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1619-1620 (Link to this contribution)

The Government are clear—we are talking about cases where a local authority wants a school to con...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 c1620 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that this is an appropriate moment to ask this question. In listening to, and thinking abo...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1621 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord’s point is a little broader than what we are talking about at the moment. With the...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 c1621 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will take the opportunity of the Minister’s slight pause to ask her a question about ...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1621 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad that I have been promoted to be the noble Lord’s “noble friend”; things are looking up....

Baroness Blower | 822 cc1621-2 (Link to this contribution)

Before I begin my remarks, I wish many happy returns to my noble friend on the Front Bench.

Baroness Barran | 822 c1622 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

68: Clause 29, page 24, line 6, leave out paragraphs (a) and...

Baroness Barker | 822 c1622 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot call Amendment 71 due to pre-emption.

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1622-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

76: After Clause 30, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 c1624 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath

79: After Clause 30, insert the following new Claus...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 cc1624-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 79 is part of a wider group dealing with funding of schools and provisions...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 c1626 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chapman of Darlington

79ZA: After subsection (2), insert—

“(3...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 cc1626-8 (Link to this contribution)

I acknowledge the good manners of my noble friend Lord Hunt in not finding it too cheeky that we ...

Baroness Barker | 822 c1627 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, is participating remotely. I invite her to speak now.

Baroness Brinton | 822 cc1627-1630 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a signatory to Amendment 86 in this group, tabled by my noble friend Lord Storey, ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 822 c1630 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow my noble friend, who has raised some very serious issu...

Baroness Humphreys | 822 cc1630-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to follow my two noble friends. I wish to speak to Amendment 85, in the na...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 822 c1631 (Link to this contribution)

If I may intervene, much as I laud Kirsty Williams, who was a Liberal Member of the Senedd, that ...

Baroness Humphreys | 822 cc1631-2 (Link to this contribution)

I think I clearly said that she was the Cabinet Secretary for Education—perhaps I should have sai...

Bishop of St Edmundsbury and Ipswich | 822 c1632 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak on behalf of my right reverend friend the Bishop of Durham and declare his inte...

Lord Deben | 822 c1632 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened with great care to the amendments. There is a common note here which my...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 cc1633-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Deben, partly because he may be support...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 822 c1635 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I feel I must leap to my feet and say what a great pleasure it is to follow the noble L...

Lord Shipley | 822 cc1636-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are 10 amendments in this group, and my name is on two: Amendments 92 and 93. I h...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 822 cc1637-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very strongly support the remarks made by the noble Lord, Lord Shipley, but I will re...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1638-1640 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I genuinely welcome the chance to talk to your Lordships about reforms to the national ...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 c1640 (Link to this contribution)

It is in some ways reassuring to hear what the Minister is saying. However, does she not accept t...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1640-1 (Link to this contribution)

The Government have worked hard. I know the noble Baroness is familiar with the data, but if she ...

Lord Shipley | 822 c1641 (Link to this contribution)

Has any staffing assessment been done by the department? My interpretation of what the Bill is no...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1641-2 (Link to this contribution)

I may have to write to the noble Lord on that. However, he will know that, through the Education ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 cc1642-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a fascinating debate which has ranged very far and wide. I put in only an...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1643 (Link to this contribution)

Just to be clear, there has been significant growth in funding in the system. In 2022-23, schools...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 822 c1643 (Link to this contribution)

If my noble friend will allow me to butt in with some figures, London Councils points out that, b...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 c1643 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend. The point is that, if we look at school funding going back to 2...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 c1643 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend may know that the Institute for Fiscal Studies, which is regarded as pretty autho...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 cc1643-4 (Link to this contribution)

There we have it. Is it not good to have noble friends to fully apprise me of the facts?

I ...

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