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Lords committee stage second day. Clause 2 agreed to as amended. Clause 3 agreed to. Schedule 1 agreed to. Clauses 4 to 6 agreed to. Clause 7 agreed to as amended. (Part 1 of 2).

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Baroness Barran | 822 c1358 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

30: Clause 2, page 3, line 35, leave out subsection (6)

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Baroness Barran | 822 c1358 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I turn first to the government amendments in my name. The majority of these represent t...


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Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise, but I want to intervene on the Minister before she gets too much into her stride. I ...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1359-1361 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, we will take that into consideration. I was not aware of the noble Baroness’s concerns...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 822 cc1361-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to introduce Amendments 76A and 76B, tabled by my noble friend Lord German, who ...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 cc1363-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments my noble friend has tabled really show how interconnected all the Bill’s...

Bishop of Bristol | 822 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in place of my colleague, the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Durham, who ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 cc1365-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a lot of sympathy with the intervention from the Front Bench by my noble friend ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 c1366 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, following on from the comments of my friend the noble Lord, Lord Baker, the difficulty ...

Lord Agnew of Oulton | 822 c1366 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make a couple of observations. First, I strongly agree with the noble Baroness, ...

Baroness Berridge | 822 c1367 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to raise a point probably connected to the comments of my noble friend Lord Bake...

Lord Nash | 822 c1367 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests as a chair of an academy trust and as a trustee of the Education...

Lord Addington | 822 c1367 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is really something for me to say that I agree with most of the noble Lords opposite...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 cc1367-8 (Link to this contribution)

I echo the comments that have been made in support of my earlier intervention. It seems extraordi...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1368 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank your Lordships for your contributions. I confess to being puzzled about the con...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 c1368 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the greatest respect, I say that the Government put those amendments into one grou...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1369-1370 (Link to this contribution)

As the noble Lord heard me say, this was agreed through the usual channels where we could have di...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 c1370 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful; that is helpful. Does the Minister intend to publish any guidance or examples? At ...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1370 (Link to this contribution)

I undertake that we will provide guidance—in inverted commas—whether that is formal guidance or s...

Lord Addington | 822 c1370 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Addington

31: Clause 3, page 4, line 2, leave out subsection (1)

Lord Addington | 822 cc1370-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when we come back to this, we come back to our old friend the Delegated Powers and Regu...

Bishop of Bristol | 822 cc1371-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak in place of my noble colleague the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 822 cc1372-3 (Link to this contribution)

We see that this group concerns the Secretary of State’s power to make regulations for any educat...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 822 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am slightly confused about the order of this but I thought it was really important th...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think Amendment 35 allows us to discuss Clause 3 standing part of the Bill, and I wou...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 3 stand part was debated on our first day of Committee.

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

I do not believe that Clause 3 was passed on the first day—

Baroness Penn | 822 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 3 was not passed. It is possible for the noble Lord to de-group and discuss Clau...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 822 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether I might assist the noble Lord and the Committee. I just want to make i...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

I thought that in fact, with great respect, in the earlier debate we debated Clauses 1 and 4, whi...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1373 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it may be the Marshalled List that is causing confusion. We have Amendment 35 on the Ma...

Lord Addington | 822 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it might be helpful to point out that my amendment was inspired by the Delegated Powers...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall now speak to the group of amendments relating to Clause 3, ahead of the questio...

Viscount Eccles | 822 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether it is the Committee’s problem, but it is my problem, as I do not understand...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is right—the thing we should principally be concerned about is improving the educ...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 822 c1375 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said at the start of her summing up—and it was about the 20th time she had said it—t...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1375 (Link to this contribution)

Tempting as it is to take power into my hands and give the noble Baroness the answer straightaway...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 822 c1375 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, I just ask a simple question: when?

Baroness Barran | 822 c1375 (Link to this contribution)

I must explain to the Committee that I am not able to give a firm date on that today, but as soon...

Baroness Blower | 822 c1375 (Link to this contribution)

In the debate last week, I was delighted to commend the wisdom and clarity of the noble Viscount,...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1375-6 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the noble Baroness. I do not think there is much I can add beyond what I have alre...

Lord Addington | 822 cc1376-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, really, this is something of a hangover from day one—something I think the noble Barone...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 822 c1377 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the Committee that this Question was debated in the first group of amendments ...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 c1377 (Link to this contribution)

I was reminded earlier by the Minister that there was a debate on Clause 3—I remember it very viv...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 c1377 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the greatest respect to the noble Lord—I very much agree with the thrust of what h...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 822 c1377 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord wish to continue to discuss Clause 3 stand part?

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 cc1377-8 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to. Clauses 1 and 3 are crucial parts of the Bill, and Clause 3 extends the power of...

Lord Adonis | 822 cc1378-9 (Link to this contribution)

Since the noble Lord has raised the issue of Clause 3 standing part of the Bill, I wonder whether...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1379 (Link to this contribution)

I thank your Lordships. I will keep my remarks extremely brief, because we covered many of the po...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 c1379 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Knight of Weymouth

35A: Schedule 1, page 88, line 28, at end insert—

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 c1380 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Schedule 1 applies the maintained school legislation to academies, as set out in the co...

Lord Grocott | 822 cc1380-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am itching to say something, because what I am hearing my noble friend describe is that the bes...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 cc1381-2 (Link to this contribution)

That is where I part company with my noble friend, in that I am relatively comfortable with other...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 822 cc1382-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Clause 28 stand part notice is in my name. Because it is about grammar schools, I t...

Lord Shipley | 822 cc1384-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is attached to Amendments 78 and, with my noble friend Lord Storey, Amendment 1...

Lord Lucas | 822 cc1385-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too have an amendment in this group, but first, in response to the noble Lord, Lord K...

Lord Grocott | 822 cc1386-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the fact that we are discussing admissions policy. It is not the principal ob...

Bishop of Bristol | 822 c1387 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak against Amendment 35A in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Knight. The ame...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 822 cc1387-1390 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the thrust of the arguments from the noble Lords who have led this debate. I ...

Baroness Berridge | 822 cc1390-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a quick comment. I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, for his history les...

Lord Addington | 822 c1391 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can the Minister clarify how special educational needs fits into this picture? I know t...

Baroness Blower | 822 cc1391-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly enter this debate on Amendment 35A and the question of whether Clause 28...

Lord Triesman | 822 cc1392-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 169. I express my gratitude to both Ministers on the Gover...

Lord Nash | 822 cc1394-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Triesman, in this amendment. I have great respect for pe...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 cc1395-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is pleasure to follow the recent speakers, particularly my noble friend Lord Triesman. That wa...

Baroness Penn | 822 cc1396-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 35A, 78, 160 and 162 in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Knight, Lord Ship...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 c1398 (Link to this contribution)

We completely accept that the Bill as it stands does not legislate for new grammar schools, but i...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1398 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill does not provide for that, and it is not government policy to open further grammar schoo...

Lord Lucas | 822 c1398 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, might I just drop in before the noble Lord, Lord Knight? My noble friend is not right i...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1398 (Link to this contribution)

I will happily arrange that conversation. There are two points I would make to my noble friend. T...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 cc1398-1401 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful that we have been able to have an hour and 20 minutes to discuss admissio...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 822 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

I remind noble Lords that if Amendment 35B is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 36 for reason of...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Knight of Weymouth

35B: Schedule 1, page 88, line 33, leave out paragra...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 cc1401-2 (Link to this contribution)

I find myself leading on a whole series of groups: it is slightly challenging, jumping around. Th...

Baroness Blower | 822 cc1402-3 (Link to this contribution)

I imagine it will come as no surprise that I support my noble friend Lord Knight. It seems to me ...

Lord Deben | 822 cc1403-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have to say that I once had an aunt who was one of the most successful teachers I hav...

Lord Blunkett | 822 cc1404-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not going to speak in this debate, but I am minded to say just a few words in agr...

Lord Agnew of Oulton | 822 c1405 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an important question, but, again, I would be looking for the output, not the i...

Lord Nash | 822 c1405 (Link to this contribution)

I support my noble friend. I say to the noble Lords, Lord Knight and Lord Blunkett, that if a tea...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 822 cc1405-6 (Link to this contribution)

Just to add to that, I think there are—or there used to be—ways for teachers moving from the inde...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 822 cc1406-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a real pleasure to follow my noble friend. She is absolutely right: this is about professio...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1407-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 35B and 36, which amend Schedule 1. Schedule 1 extends cert...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 cc1408-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful again for this half-hour debate and for the Minister’s reply. It is impor...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Knight of Weymouth

39A: Clause 5, page 5, line 11, leave out “satisfied...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 cc1409-1412 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise yet again. This substantial group is about intervention and termination powers. ...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 822 c1412 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the Committee that the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, is taking part remotely. ...

Baroness Brinton | 822 cc1412-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by apologising to noble Lords who have their names against amendments and claus...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 c1414 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with everything that the noble Baroness said; I congratulate her on saying it.<...

Lord Nash | 822 cc1414-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I appreciate that my noble friend the Minister is in a difficult position; I am sure th...

Bishop of Chichester | 822 c1416 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak on behalf of my colleague, the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Durham, and...

Lord Addington | 822 cc1416-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my degree of fellow feeling for the Minister is growing, as it was when the noble Lord,...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 c1417 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that the noble Lord, Lord Mendelsohn, will not move Amendment 39C. Is that right?

Lord Addington | 822 c1417 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is something running through this debate; there has been discussion on it. I hope we...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 cc1417-8 (Link to this contribution)

The Government are in a bit of trouble here. I have not previously sat through a debate where the...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1418-9 (Link to this contribution)

I start by acknowledging the noble Baroness’s last comments. I will endeavour to come back on the...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 822 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

May I seek some clarification on that point? Will the payment of trustees and the interim executi...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1419-1420 (Link to this contribution)

I will come back to the noble Baroness on that point. I do not have the answers to hand but I wil...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 822 c1420 (Link to this contribution)

Given that the regulatory review seems to be so significant in the Government’s considerations an...

Baroness Barran | 822 cc1420-1 (Link to this contribution)

We plan for the review to be launched in the coming weeks. I cannot give the noble Baroness an ex...

Lord Lucas | 822 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Knight, is right about getting Ofsted into multi-academy trusts. I...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 822 cc1421-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for those last comments, and that I do not have to speak for six minutes before I g...

Lord Baker of Dorking | 822 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for carefully explaining the Government’s justification for doing ...

Baroness Barran | 822 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

40: Clause 7, page 8, line 7, at end insert—

“(3A) Whe...

Baroness Penn | 822 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move that the House be now resumed—

Lord Hacking | 822 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

Before the House is resumed, I draw attention to the clock, which has been stuck for a long time ...

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