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Elections Bill

Lords committee stage sixth day. Schedules 8 to 12 agreed to, with schedules 8 and 10 agreed to as amended. Clauses 28 to 59 agreed to, with clauses 30 to 32, 35, 38, 40 to 42, 45, 46 and 48 agreed to as amended. (Part 1 of 2).

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2021-22

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Committee stage

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New clauses

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Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 cc1283-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Saltaire

152: After Clause 13, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 cc1284-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I regret that the noble Lord, Lord True, is unable to be with us. I gather he is down w...


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Lord Desai | 820 c1285 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak on this amendment because, when I arrived here in 1965, I had an Indian passpor...

Baroness Suttie | 820 cc1285-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also pass on my best wishes to the noble Lord, Lord True, for a speedy recovery. Havi...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 820 cc1286-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Suttie, in support of Amendment 156. ...

Lord Shipley | 820 cc1287-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 155A in my name, which would give the right to vote in local ...

Baroness Meacher | 820 c1288 (Link to this contribution)

I shall contribute briefly, following the contribution of the noble Lord, Lord Shipley, in suppor...

Viscount Stansgate | 820 cc1288-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my name to those who have expressed their regret that the noble Lord, Lord True, ...

Lord Scriven | 820 c1289 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also wish to speak in this part of the debate in Committee on these amendments.

Lord Grocott | 820 c1289 (Link to this contribution)

I very much agree with the thrust of the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Scriven. In the light o...

Lord Scriven | 820 c1290 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is just slightly ahead of me, because I was going to come on to that. I will answe...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 820 cc1290-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to send my good wishes to my noble friend Lord True. I hope that if he has got C...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 820 cc1292-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I offer Green support for the general trend of these amendments. I also join the rest o...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 820 c1294 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly to Amendment 156 in the names of the noble Baronesses, Lady Suttie...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 820 cc1294-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too wish the noble Lord, Lord True, a speedy recovery and a quick return to duty, hop...

Earl Howe | 820 cc1296-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by conveying the regret of my noble friend Lord True that he is unable to be in...

Baroness Meacher | 820 c1298 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, he rightly said that taxation has not historically been used as a ...

Earl Howe | 820 c1298 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand where the noble Baroness is on this. I think one has to distinguish nation...

Lord Shipley | 820 c1298 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, can I clarify what he has said about liability for payment? My Ame...

Baroness Deech | 820 c1299 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, may I point out one other anomaly? I imagine everyone in this House pays tax, and yet w...

Earl Howe | 820 c1299 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Deech, is, of course, quite correct and we will be looking at the questi...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 c1299 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very useful debate, which has yet again exposed how unco-ordinated and ...

Earl Howe | 820 c1299 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for allowing me to intervene. As I understood it, it was official...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 cc1299-1300 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, and to create overseas constituencies. I am looking at the noble Lord, Lord Altrincham, who ...

Lord Grocott | 820 c1300 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, for talking about people thinking through the cons...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 c1300 (Link to this contribution)

There are lots of ramifications that we have discussed extensively. I am happy to discuss them wi...

Lord Dubs | 820 c1300 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dubs

153: After Clause 13, insert the following new Clause—

“Memb...

Lord Dubs | 820 cc1301-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is with great pleasure that I speak to Amendment 153 standing in my name and that of...

Lord Cormack | 820 cc1302-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I generally agree with the noble Lord, Lord Dubs. He makes some extremely powerful spee...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 820 c1304 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I came into this Chamber absolutely not caring about the outcome of this—I was waiting ...

Lord Horam | 820 c1304 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure we all hope that the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, lasts for a long time in thi...

Lord Rennard | 820 cc1304-5 (Link to this contribution)

In the six general elections since I have been a Member of this House, I have always found people...

Lord Desai | 820 c1305 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one of the things which today’s debate has proved is that logic has never been the basi...

Lord Dubs | 820 c1305 (Link to this contribution)

I think the Canadian upper House is not elected.

Lord Desai | 820 c1305 (Link to this contribution)

They follow us, which is quite nice; they are part of the Empire. I would rather that we be remov...

Baroness Quin | 820 c1306 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not speak on the Bill on Second Reading, because I was not able to be present, al...

Lord Cormack | 820 c1306 (Link to this contribution)

Bishops are here for only a brief period. Some of them are here for five, six or seven years. One...

Baroness Quin | 820 c1306 (Link to this contribution)

None the less, while they are Members of this House, it seems rather odd that they are allowed to...

Lord Sherbourne of Didsbury | 820 c1306 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lords, Lord Dubs and Lord Rennard. I am not going to repeat the arg...

Lord Redesdale | 820 cc1306-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also apologise for not speaking on Second Reading; I was unable to. I was not plannin...

Lord Rooker | 820 c1307 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a question—and I did not come in to speak either. Since I have been a Member of ...

Lord Rooker | 820 c1307 (Link to this contribution)

Well, that is the answer to my question.

Lord Collins of Highbury | 820 cc1307-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we talk about piecemeal reform, and changes to this House have not necessarily been a r...

Earl Howe | 820 c1308 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment from the noble Lord, Lord Dubs, who is joined on the Marshalled List by ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 820 c1308 (Link to this contribution)

Is that not true of MPs? Why should they be allowed to vote? They have two grabs.

Earl Howe | 820 cc1308-9 (Link to this contribution)

When Parliament is prorogued for a general election, MPs cease to be Members of Parliament. They ...

Lord Cormack | 820 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, we are on the register and can vote in every other election, including local governmen...

Earl Howe | 820 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

I think the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Redesdale, was that a distinction must be made on ...

Lord Dubs | 820 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I never thought that so many different sorts of opinions would come out of the woodwork...

Lord Cormack | 820 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord cannot get away with that. When Parliament is dissolved, as distinct from being pr...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 820 c1310 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, has just informed me that MPs are paid during Prorogation...

Lord Sherbourne of Didsbury | 820 c1310 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to say to my noble friend Lord Cormack that, if a Member of Parliament is in a consti...

Lord Dubs | 820 c1310 (Link to this contribution)

Well, we are getting into the realm of pub quiz questions. I am perfectly aware of the point that...

Lord Green of Deddington | 820 cc1310-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Green of Deddington

154: After Clause 13, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Green of Deddington | 820 cc1311-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I gave notice at Second Reading that it was my intention to bring forward an amendment ...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 820 c1312 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, could I ask a question? He referenced my noble and learned frien...

Lord Green of Deddington | 820 c1312 (Link to this contribution)

A lot has changed in 14 years, but the thrust of what the noble and learned Lord, Lord Goldsmith,...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 c1312 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have great sympathy with the arguments of the noble Lord, Lord Green of Deddington; I...

Lord Horam | 820 cc1312-5 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest as a former electoral commissioner. First, I agree with the remarks made on...

Lord Desai | 820 c1315 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the third occasion on which I have had to say that, given the way our constitut...

Lord Green of Deddington | 820 c1315 (Link to this contribution)

I assume the noble Lord is aware that British citizens in India are not permitted to vote.

Lord Desai | 820 cc1315-6 (Link to this contribution)

I shall come to that; this is the beginning of a lecture that will take some time.

When I a...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 820 c1316 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was sorry not to be able to speak at Second Reading. It is always a pleasure to follo...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 820 cc1316-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some sympathy with the points made, but I wish this amendment could have been de...

Earl Howe | 820 c1317 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with Amendment 154 we return to the franchise. The purpose of the amendment, as the nob...

Lord Desai | 820 c1317 (Link to this contribution)

I just wanted to point out that the 1918 Act was passed especially in recognition of the fact tha...

Earl Howe | 820 c1318 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Desai, is once again perfectly right.

Successive Governments and Parli...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 820 c1318 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Earl says that our ties with the Commonwealth endure. I agree with the sentiment but th...

Earl Howe | 820 c1318 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand that. It is clear that this is an argument that runs very deep. We may or ...

Lord Green of Deddington | 820 cc1318-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been a very interesting debate. I welcome the response of the noble Lord, Lord W...

Earl Howe | 820 c1319 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

157: Schedule 8, page 151, line 5, leave out “or Northern Ireland”...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 820 c1319 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayman of Ullock

160A: Clause 28, page 40, line 31, at end insert “...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 820 cc1319-1320 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a couple of amendments to Clause 28 in this group, and then further amendments, ...

Lord Hayward | 820 cc1320-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Hayman, referred to my Amendment 171 in this group, to which I...

Lord Scriven | 820 c1322 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly from these Benches, most of these probing amendments seem reasonable and w...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 820 cc1322-4 (Link to this contribution)

First, I thank my noble friend for bringing the Committee up to date with the letter from the Min...

Lord Scriven | 820 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

I did not ask what more could be added but for an example of variation.

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 820 cc1324-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will get an answer for the noble Lord and write to him.

The list includes, but is not lim...

Lord Hayward | 820 c1325 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend moves off that point, and picking up a comment made by the noble Lord, Lor...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 820 c1325 (Link to this contribution)

Issues from around the country that we need to take note of have been brought forward in this Com...

Lord Scriven | 820 c1325 (Link to this contribution)

My question was slightly different. I appreciate that the Minister tried to answer, but what asse...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 820 cc1325-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is considered to be the correct benchmark taking into account proportionality and the fact tha...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 820 c1326 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for the clarification she has provided, particularly around my amendment see...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 820 c1327 (Link to this contribution)

No—we are talking about ensuring that the list provided in Schedule 9 remains accurate through po...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 820 c1327 (Link to this contribution)

So the “varying” bit is just to do with the description of the offence. I thank the Minister.

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Earl Howe | 820 cc1327-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

162: Clause 30, page 42, line 23, after “office” insert “or a rele...

Earl Howe | 820 c1328 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

166: Clause 31, page 44, line 2, after “office” insert “or a relev...

Earl Howe | 820 c1328 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

169: Clause 32, page 45, line 37, after “office” insert “or a rele...

Earl Howe | 820 c1329 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

173: Clause 35, page 46, line 24, leave out paragraph (b)

Me...

Earl Howe | 820 c1329 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

177: Schedule 10, page 160, line 33, leave out paragraph 4

M...

Earl Howe | 820 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

179: Clause 38, page 48, line 1, after “office” insert “or a relev...

Lord Clement-Jones | 820 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Clement-Jones

180A: Clause 39, page 48, line 28, leave out “reasonably ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 820 cc1330-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendments 194A, 194B, 196A and 212C. I am a relative interloper ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 820 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, on an extremely full exposition of h...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 820 cc1335-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support these amendments, so comprehensively introduced by the noble Lord, Lord Cleme...

Lord Mann | 820 cc1336-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would have rather welcomed being targeted by a foreign Government in the various elec...

Lord Stunell | 820 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly intervene, having heard the noble Lord, Lord Mann. It is important to un...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 cc1337-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Clement-Jones for the amendments he has brought forward wi...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 820 cc1338-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, for his excellent introduction to a range o...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 820 cc1339-1340 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, for a very thorough piece of scrutiny of th...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 820 c1340 (Link to this contribution)

This is about transparency, so that the public can know that somebody is saying different things ...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 820 c1340 (Link to this contribution)

Understood. Listening to the debate, two words have come out, and we will reflect those. One is “...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 820 c1340 (Link to this contribution)

I am not asking my noble friend to reply this evening, because this is a complicated question, bu...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 820 cc1340-2 (Link to this contribution)

I take note of that and will make sure that my noble friend understands the unpicking of all of t...

Lord Clement-Jones | 820 cc1343-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, particularly the noble Baro...

Earl Howe | 820 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

181: Clause 40, page 49, line 25, leave out subsection (2) and ins...

Earl Howe | 820 cc1344-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

184: Clause 41, page 50, line 1, after “future candidates” insert ...

Earl Howe | 820 c1345 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

189: Clause 42, page 51, line 14, at end insert—

“(4) The th...

Earl Howe | 820 c1346 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

190: Clause 45, page 53, line 20, leave out “by a person (“A”)”

Earl Howe | 820 cc1346-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

195: Clause 46, page 54, line 25, at end insert—

“(4A) It is...

Earl Howe | 820 c1347 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

196: Clause 48, page 55, line 32, after “(referendums)” insert “wh...

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