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Building Safety Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 2 March 2022, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage fourth day. Schedule 11 agreed to. Clauses 1 and 129 to 143 agreed to, with clauses 135, 137 and 140 to 142 agreed to as amended. Bill reported with amendments (HL Bill 125).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

819 cc287-344GC 

Session

2021-22

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Building Safety Bill 2021-22. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 20 January 2022
Bills
House of Lords
Building Safety Bill; Judicial Review and Courts Bill; Office for Demographic Change Bill. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twentieth report.
Wednesday, 9 February 2022
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Building Safety Bill 2021-22. As amended in Grand Committee.
Wednesday, 2 March 2022
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2022-0242
Thursday, 10 March 2022
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Watkins of Tavistock | 819 c287GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Members are encouraged to leave some distance between themselves and others and to wear...

Lord Foster of Bath | 819 c287GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Foster of Bath

111: After Clause 128, insert the following new Clause—<...


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Lord Foster of Bath | 819 cc287-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I purchase, say, an electric fan or a tumble dryer online, it will arrive at my door...

Lord Foster of Bath | 819 cc288-9GC (Link to this contribution)

As I was saying before I was so rudely interrupted, Amendment 111 seeks to address the issue of p...

Baroness Watkins of Tavistock | 819 c289GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, is taking part remotely. I invite the noble Baroness ...

Baroness Brinton | 819 cc289-290GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support all three amendments in this group. Amendment 111, which was laid by my noble...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 819 cc290-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to speak to my Amendment 117 in this group— I am grateful to the noble Lor...

Baroness Pinnock | 819 cc291-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it was the safety failure of cladding on Grenfell Tower that resulted in 72 people trag...

Lord Khan of Burnley | 819 cc293-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to all the amendments in this group in the names of the noble Lord, Lord F...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 819 c294GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this important debate on additional building s...

Lord Foster of Bath | 819 c294GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for what the Minister said the Government are doing, but before she moves on t...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 819 cc294-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid I pushed my officials to give me a specific time. They have agreed that we may write ...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 819 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes. We clearly intend to use these powers and we already published draft regulations in October ...

Baroness Pinnock | 819 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

Are we allowed to see the draft regulations? It would be really useful.

Baroness Pinnock | 819 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

That is really helpful. I thank the Minister.

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 819 cc296-7GC (Link to this contribution)

We will also be introducing requirements for labelling construction products, to support regulato...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 819 c297GC (Link to this contribution)

May I ask why the Government have not extended the requirement to all new builds and to major ref...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 819 c297GC (Link to this contribution)

As I said in my speech, the extended alarm measures will apply to all newly installed combustion ...

Lord Foster of Bath | 819 cc297-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we are all grateful to the Minister for her remarks. It is clear that the Gover...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 819 c298GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Fox of Buckley

115A: Clause 129, page 133, line 23, at end insert—<...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 819 cc298-301GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was already feeling inadequate enough, but my inability to come up with a Latin phras...

Earl of Lytton | 819 cc299-302GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think the noble Baroness, Lady Fox, has done a considerable service, because she has ...

Bishop of St Albans | 819 c302GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will add a few extra words to this. I apologise to the Committee; I am struggling, as...

Lord Stunell | 819 cc302-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Fox, has raised an interesting theme which has been expanded o...

Lord Khan of Burnley | 819 c304GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall briefly speak to Amendment 115A in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Fox. It...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 cc304-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I have tricked the noble Lord, Lord Khan—I am responding to this one. First, we have not gone aro...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 819 c305GC (Link to this contribution)

I have one query on that. I thank the noble Lord for his response, but on the recommendation of h...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 c305GC (Link to this contribution)

I did not say that it would. The noble Baroness intervened too early; that is the problem with in...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 819 c305GC (Link to this contribution)

I was just trying to clarify something—that is good.

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 cc305-6GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness raises the issue of balconies. I am talking about a system that looks at the e...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 819 cc306-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken. My heart was in my mouth when the noble Earl, ...

Baroness Jolly | 819 c307GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jolly

120: After Clause 133, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Jolly | 819 cc307-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest as president of the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents...

Baroness Watkins of Tavistock | 819 c308GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baronesses, Lady Harris of Richmond and Lady Brinton, are taking part remotel...

Baroness Harris of Richmond | 819 cc308-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 120 in the name of my noble friend Lady Jolly and other noble Lords...

Baroness Brinton | 819 cc309-310GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have signed Amendments 122, 123 and 124 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Foster, a...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 819 c310GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was delighted to see this amendment from the noble Baroness, Lady Jolly. As she point...

Lord Foster of Bath | 819 cc311-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I remark on Amendments 122, 123 and 124, I express my surprise that we still hav...

Lord Jordan | 819 c313GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, declare an interest as vice-president of RoSPA. I shall not take too long, howe...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 819 cc313-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly speak in support of Amendment 120— I will call it the safer-stairs amend...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 819 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, safety has a cost, as the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of St Albans reminded us. W...

Lord Whitty | 819 cc314-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name to the amendment from the noble Lord, Lord Foster, which the noble Baro...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 819 cc315-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been an interesting debate about two very different but important aspects of saf...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 819 c316GC (Link to this contribution)

We had the tragedy of Grenfell, and I am worried that we are doing a lot of different things in t...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 819 c317GC (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate where the noble Baroness is coming from, but I still think there should be parity ac...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 c317GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been an absolutely fascinating debate. This is very much the additional safety m...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 cc318-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I have not been drinking. I have had some Polos. In fact, I am not drinking anything at all.

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Lord Greenhalgh | 819 c319GC (Link to this contribution)

“Shortly” is better than “in due course”.

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 c319GC (Link to this contribution)

Social homes are already safer than homes of other tenures in respect of electrical safety. In 20...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 819 c319GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I am the only person in the room who does not know what updating the approved document ac...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 c319GC (Link to this contribution)

Effectively, the Building Act 1984 has various approved documents, and Approved Document K would ...

Baroness Jolly | 819 c319GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a really fascinating debate. We have a listening Minister, and it looks a...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 819 c319GC (Link to this contribution)

I live in Cornwall, and we do things dreckly. For the moment, I am happy to withdraw the amendmen...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 819 c320GC (Link to this contribution)

Before we move on, could I just say we have quite a lot more to get through this evening, and we ...

Lord Foster of Bath | 819 c320GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Foster of Bath (LD)

121: After Clause 133, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Foster of Bath | 819 c320GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will try my very best to be as quick as I can, as I have tried to in all my contribut...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 819 c320GC (Link to this contribution)

I owe the noble Lord an apology. It was my fault for getting it in the wrong order. I have been t...

Lord Foster of Bath | 819 cc321-2GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness is forgiven entirely, and let us hope she will come to support the amendment a...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 819 cc322-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also have an amendment in this group. In thinking about what the noble Lord, Lord Fos...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 819 cc324-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to take that point on district heating back to the department. It will become an i...

Lord Foster of Bath | 819 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in my remarks, I went out of my way to praise the current Government for the promises a...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 819 cc325-6GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

132: After Clause 133, insert the following new Claus...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 819 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I move Amendment 132 in my name on the subject of external wall fire assessments. I did...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 819 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt. The Minister has had to leave to deal with a pressing personal...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 819 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Committee will adjourn for five minutes.

7.04 pm

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 819 cc326-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I was saying, the Committee will know that there has been a serious problem aggravat...

Earl of Lytton | 819 cc327-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will probably disappoint the noble Baroness a little, but I hope that I can also give...

Baroness Pinnock | 819 cc328-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Rolfe, for raising an important issue. There i...

Earl of Lytton | 819 c329GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should perhaps explain that, while I am a RICS member and fellow and a registered val...

Lord Khan of Burnley | 819 c329GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to speak to Amendment 132 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Nevill...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 cc329-330GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Neville-Rolfe for her amendment. It has been a fascinating...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 819 c330GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend, particularly for giving the figures. Before Report, it would b...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 819 c330GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb

132A: After Clause 133, insert the following n...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 819 c331GC (Link to this contribution)

Noble Lords may have noticed that I am not my noble friend Lady Bennett of Manor Castle, but I am...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 819 cc331-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I am so sorry—I thank the noble Baroness.

These amendments create an obligation for local a...

Baroness Pinnock | 819 cc332-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, for introducing these two amendments. When I re...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 819 c333GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be brief, because there will probably be another vote soon in the House. We are...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 819 cc333-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Bennett, for tabling her amendments, so ably introduced by the n...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 819 c334GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her response, and I will of course check the Environmental Protect...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 cc334-5GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greenhalgh

133: Clause 135, page 142, line 20, at end insert—

““b...

Lord Aberdare | 819 c335GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Aberdare

136A: After Clause 135, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Aberdare | 819 cc335-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been interesting and instructive for a non-expert to listen to the debate in thi...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 819 c336GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name to this amendment, although I am not sure whether it made its way on to...

Lord Stunell | 819 cc336-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Aberdare, has certainly been energetic, forthright and determined ...

Earl of Lytton | 819 cc338-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Aberdare. The matter of retentions comes right at the en...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 819 c339GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Aberdare, has raised a very important issue and certainly has our ...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 cc339-341GC (Link to this contribution)

“St George,” “St Stephen,” “It is so easy, just do it”: I have had all the usual exhortations. I ...

Lord Stunell | 819 c341GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, I wonder if he could comment on the Department for Education’s per...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 c341GC (Link to this contribution)

That is a really good way to end the debate. I will have to write to the noble Lord, because I do...

Lord Aberdare | 819 c341GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response, which at least confirmed my prophetic abilities...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 c342GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greenhalgh

137: Clause 137, page 143, line 2, at end insert—

“(ba...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 c342GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greenhalgh

138: After Clause 137, insert the following new Clause—

<...
Lord Greenhalgh | 819 cc342-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greenhalgh

139: Clause 140, page 144, line 19, after “71” insert “, (Me...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 c343GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greenhalgh

142: Clause 141, page 144, line 41, at end insert—

“(b...

Lord Greenhalgh | 819 c344GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greenhalgh

146: Clause 142, page 146, line 18, leave out “, 39 and 86 t...

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