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Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 13 January 2021, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Williams of Trafford. The answering members were Lord Kennedy of Southwark and Lord Rosser.
Lords report stage second day. Amendment 15 agreed to on division (299 to 284). Amendment 17 disagreed to on division (259 to 283). Amendment 22 agreed to on division (331 to 240). Amendment 24 agreed to on division (339 to 235). Amendment 34 (to amendment 33) agreed to on division (298 to 259). Amendment 33 (new clause), as amended, agreed to. Amendment 36 agreed to. Amendment 42 (new clause) disagreed to on division (262 to 269). Amendment 44 agreed to. Amendment 46 agreed to. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 161).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

809 cc763-861 

Session

2019-21

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Proceeding contributions

Lord Young of Cookham | 809 c763 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Cookham

12: Clause 1, page 3, line 2, at end insert—

“( ...

Lord Young of Cookham | 809 cc763-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 12, which seeks to prohibit the granting of criminal conduct author...


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Baroness Massey of Darwen | 809 cc767-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Young, has spoken passionately and eloquently about protecting chi...

Baroness Kidron | 809 cc769-773 (Link to this contribution)

I speak to Amendment 24 in my name and that of the noble Lords, Lord Young of Cookham and Lord Ke...

Lord Cormack | 809 cc773-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a real pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron. She spoke movingly, au...

Baroness Hamwee | 809 cc774-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was very pleased to put my name to the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 cc776-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, and all those who have spo...

Bishop of Durham | 809 cc777-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is humbling to follow the passion and wisdom of the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 809 cc779-781 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Durham. His speech ...

Lord Dubs | 809 cc781-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to take part in the debate on this amendment, with the many excellent...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 809 cc782-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a fascinating debate. I thank the Minister for bringing forward her Amendment 2...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 809 cc783-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased to take part in this debate. We have already heard some truly excelle...

Lord Judd | 809 cc784-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 25 because it seems essential for us to have safeguards in place if...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 809 cc785-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the speeches that we have been listening to in this debate have made so very clear, ...

Lord Naseby | 809 c787 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to speak briefly to Amendments 12, 13 and 14. In relation to the first, I have r...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 809 c787 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Mann, has scratched from the debate, so the next speaker is the noble Barone...

Baroness Bull | 809 cc787-9 (Link to this contribution)

I rise principally in support of Amendments 12 and 13. My strong preference would be for these st...

Lord Holmes of Richmond | 809 c789 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 12 in the name of my noble friend Lord Young of Cookham. It is clea...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 809 cc789-791 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 24. I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Kidron for taking t...

Lord Paddick | 809 cc791-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Russell of Liverpool, for the leading role he has played i...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 cc793-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by thanking the noble Lord, Lord Russell of Liverpool, for his kind words about...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 809 c797 (Link to this contribution)

I have received requests to speak after the Minister from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 809 c797 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, due to a mistake I have made, I am not able to participate. My concern is the possible ...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 809 c797 (Link to this contribution)

Short and sweet. The next speaker is the noble Lord, Lord Russell of Liverpool.

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 809 c798 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a specific question for the Minister. She mentioned the lifetime duty of care to...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 809 c798 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her very detailed response to this long and important de...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 c798 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the noble Lord knows me by now. If Amendment 24 is carried, I will of course continu...

Lord Young of Cookham | 809 cc798-801 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this Bill has generated a series of debates about the role of the state in protecting s...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 809 c799 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group consisting of Amendment 15. I remind noble Lords that Members other than...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 809 c799 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Massey of Darwen

15: Clause 1, page 3, line 2, at end insert—

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 809 cc799-803 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friends Lord Dubs and Lord Rosser and the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, fo...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 809 cc803-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Massey of Darwen, and to express my...

Lord Rosser | 809 cc805-6 (Link to this contribution)

Speaking for the Opposition, I reiterate our appreciation of the work that our police and securit...

Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 809 cc806-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not intervened on the Bill to date. It has been well-served by the wide range of...

Lord Dubs | 809 cc807-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the opportunity to speak to the amendment. I speak, of course, as a member of...

Lord Cormack | 809 cc808-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope of Craighead, I believe the amendment could ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 809 c809 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Blunkett, has withdrawn, so I now call the noble Baroness, Lady Ch...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 cc809-810 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be short on this, not just to please my friend the Government Whip but because I...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 809 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, on tabling the amendment. I am deeply sad that it...

Viscount Brookeborough | 809 cc810-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to intervene—[Inaudible]—discussed in the context of CHIS operating ...

Lord Paddick | 809 cc811-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we support the amendment in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Massey of Darwen. I ha...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 cc813-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. Although the line was not parti...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 809 c815 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have received a request to speak after the Minister from the noble and learned Lord, ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 809 c815 (Link to this contribution)

My name was down due to a fault of mine; I apologise for interrupting.

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 809 cc815-6 (Link to this contribution)

I have reservations about some of the issues the Minister raised in summing up this excellent deb...

Lord Alderdice | 809 c816 (Link to this contribution)

We come now to Amendment 17 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Paddick. Does the noble Lord wish...

Lord Paddick | 809 c816 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

17: Clause 1, page 3, line 2, at end insert—

“(8A) Where ...

Lord Paddick | 809 c816 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move and I wish to test the opinion of the House.

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 809 c816 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich

22: Clause 1, page 3, line 16, at end insert—

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 809 c816 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move and I wish to test the opinion of the House.

Baroness Kidron | 809 cc816-829 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Kidron

24: Clause 1, page 3, line 16, at end insert—

“29C Cri...

Lord Alderdice | 809 c834 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Baroness, Lady Williams of Trafford, like to move Amendment 26 formally?

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 c834 (Link to this contribution)

I will not move Amendment 26. Given the strength of the House on Amendment 24, I think it is prob...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 809 c834 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness and the Government very much for that. I am sure we can get an agreeme...

Lord Alderdice | 809 c834 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 27. I remind noble Lords that Members other tha...

Baroness Hamwee | 809 c834 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

27: Clause 2, page 4, leave out lines 3 to 23 and insert—

Baroness Hamwee | 809 cc834-6 (Link to this contribution)

We have Amendments 27, 29, 30 and 45 in this group. Amendment 27 is the central amendment. I appr...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 809 c836 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, for her explanation of this set of amendments....

Lord Judd | 809 cc836-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise—as it were—to support Amendments 27, 28 and 29. These are important. We are deal...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 809 c837 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments is of particular interest to me as, when we first looked at th...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 cc837-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady McIntosh of Pickering. The nature o...

Lord Cormack | 809 c838 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I first raised this issue at Second Reading and I tabled an amendment in Committee.

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Lord Dubs | 809 cc838-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, particularly as on this occasion, as quite o...

Lord Naseby | 809 c839 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments are all about which specific public authorities should have the power ...

Lord King of Bridgwater | 809 cc839-841 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to have the opportunity to follow the noble Lord, Lord Naseby, who is rath...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 809 c841 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I find myself agreeing with a lot of the comments of the noble Lord, Lord King of Bridg...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 cc841-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. Like the noble Lord, Lord Kenne...

Baroness Hamwee | 809 cc843-4 (Link to this contribution)

I repeat what I said at the start of this debate: that the reduction in the list is not about red...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 809 c844 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich

33: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 809 c844 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move.

Amendment 34 (to Amendment 33)

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 809 c844 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd

34: After Clause 2, at end insert—

“(6) If upo...

Lord Paddick | 809 c844 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick [V]

36: Schedule 1, page 7, line 9, after “is” insert “reasonab...

Baroness Watkins of Tavistock | 809 c850 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group consisting of Amendment 42. I remind noble Lords that Members other than...

Baroness Whitaker | 809 c850 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Whitaker

42: After Clause 4, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Whitaker | 809 cc850-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to Amendment 42 in my name and those of my noble friend Lady Clark of Kilwinnin...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 809 c852 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest as the mother of a journalist and the friend of journalists, even. It is a ...

Lord Marlesford | 809 cc852-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we must consider carefully the extent to which the legitimate functions of the media in...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 cc853-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Marlesford. I have ringing in my ears h...

Earl of Kinnoull | 809 c854 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Mann, has scratched. Accordingly, I call the noble Lord, Lord Paddick.

Lord Paddick | 809 cc854-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti, for her kind remarks about my noble frien...

Lord Rosser | 809 c855 (Link to this contribution)

As has been said, Amendment 42, moved so succinctly by my noble friend Baroness Whitaker, require...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 cc855-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment from the noble Baroness, Lady Clark, outlined by her noble friend Lady Wh...

Earl of Kinnoull | 809 c856 (Link to this contribution)

I have received no request to ask a short question. Accordingly, I call the noble Baroness, Lady ...

Baroness Whitaker | 809 c856 (Link to this contribution)

[Inaudible.] I thank the Minister for her typically considered response. After such a long sessio...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 809 c856 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich [V]

44: Schedule 2, page 9, line 9, at end insert—<...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 809 cc856-861 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich [V]

46: Schedule 2, page 11, line 14, at end insert...

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