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Pension Schemes Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 4 March 2020, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage fourth day. Amendments debated and withdrawn Clause 126-127 agreed to. Clause 128, amendment 81 made. Clause 128, as amended, agreed to. Schedule 11, amendments 98-99 made. Schedule 11, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 129-131 agreed to. Bill reported with amendments. (HL Bill 104).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

802 cc311-10GC 

Session

2019-21

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Pension Schemes Bill (HL) 2019-21
Tuesday, 7 January 2020
Bills
House of Lords
Pension Schemes Bill (HL) 2019-21. As amended in Grand Committee.
Wednesday, 4 March 2020
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2020-0171
Tuesday, 24 March 2020
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Fookes | 802 c311GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am obliged to make the usual announcement: that if there is a Division in the Chamber...

Lord Balfe | 802 c311GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Balfe

80: After Clause 125, insert the following new Clause—

“Com...


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Lord Balfe | 802 cc311-2GC (Link to this contribution)

This is a rather technical amendment in many ways. I declare my interest as the president of the ...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c312GC (Link to this contribution)

I have added my name to this amendment. I support my noble friend and echo his request to the Min...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 cc312-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have some difficulty with this amendment. We are more than happy to put it on the ag...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c313GC (Link to this contribution)

I echo that praise for the Pension Protection Fund. It has been a marvellous success story and ha...

Baroness Scott of Bybrook | 802 cc313-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, let me begin by thanking the noble Lords, Lord Balfe and Lord Sharkey, and the noble Ba...

Lord Balfe | 802 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for this short, but interesting, debate. An interesting part of my role is th...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

The point the noble Lord makes about public sector funds is right, but in trying to make comparis...

Lord Balfe | 802 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I mix with rather affluent members of the medical profession. I had a session recently wi...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c315GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

81: Clause 128, page 120, line 33, after “sections” i...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 c315GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

82: After Clause 128, insert the following new Clause...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 cc315-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it will not take us long to deal with this amendment. When it was conceived as an amend...

Lord Young of Cookham | 802 c316GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I see that on the website of an organisation called This is Money, published on 20 Janu...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c316GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Young, has done the job for me, but broadly speaking, I support th...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 cc316-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I look forward to hearing from my noble friend the Minister on this, but I confess that I have a ...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc317-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to respond to this amendment tabled by the noble Lord...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c318GC (Link to this contribution)

I think I am right in saying that the argument for not proceeding was that there was no consensus...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c318GC (Link to this contribution)

The best answer I can give is that I will find out and write to the noble Baroness, because I do ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 cc318-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her response on this matter and noble Lords who have spoken in favour of...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 c319GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

83: After Clause 128, insert the following new Clause...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 cc319-320GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have tabled Amendment 83, which sets a deadline for a review and is essentially probi...

Lord Warner | 802 cc320-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 86 is in my name and those of the noble Baronesses, Lady Altmann and Lady Jan...

Baroness Janke | 802 cc321-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too have signed both amendments which, as has been said, relate to the current situat...

Baroness Altmann | 802 cc322-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 83 and 86. Noble Lords have already explained the problems in grea...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 cc323-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this issue has been rumbling around for far too long and it is time to try to get a sol...

Earl Howe | 802 cc324-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment from my noble friend Lady Neville-Rolfe would commit the Secretary of Sta...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

I take my noble friend’s point on the specific proposals in Amendment 86 in the name of the noble...

Lord Warner | 802 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

I just want to amplify the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Altmann. Those of us who have b...

Earl Howe | 802 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my answer to my noble friend and the noble Lord, Lord Warner, has to be exactly the sam...

Baroness Janke | 802 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said that these two reviews will be reported in the Budget. Is he talking about the ...

Earl Howe | 802 c326GC (Link to this contribution)

The reviews are under way. They have not yet been concluded, but the conclusions will be announce...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 cc326-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a good debate and I think we have made it very clear that action is urgentl...

Lord Warner | 802 c327GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Warner

86: After Clause 128, insert the following new Clause—

“Na...

Lord Warner | 802 c327GC (Link to this contribution)

I wish to respond to the Minister before I withdraw my amendment.

Baroness Fookes | 802 c327GC (Link to this contribution)

Once the noble Lord has spoken, the question has to be put.

Lord Warner | 802 c327GC (Link to this contribution)

I thought that I am allowed to say whether I am withdrawing the amendment.

Baroness Fookes | 802 c327GC (Link to this contribution)

It has not yet technically been moved, and you are now moving it. Perhaps I should clarify for th...

Baroness Fookes | 802 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, he must move it, because he has started to speak to it.

Lord Warner | 802 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move Amendment 86. In response to the Minister, I think we will need to have some kind o...

Baroness Fookes | 802 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

If no member of the Committee wishes to respond, the noble Lord may withdraw the amendment.

Lord Warner | 802 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Baroness Fookes | 802 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry about the schoolmistressy lesson on the subject.

Baroness Janke | 802 c328GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Janke

87: After Clause 128, insert the following new Clause—

...

Baroness Janke | 802 cc328-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have three amendments in this group. Amendments 87 and 88 relate to auto-enrolment to...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 c329GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 95 in this group is in my name. It seeks to press the Minister to make three ...

Baroness Drake | 802 cc329-333GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 90 and 91, which carry further the spirit of Amendment 96, ...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 cc331-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to ask a few questions on the back of that. I thank my noble friend Lady Drake a...

Earl Howe | 802 cc334-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments tabled in the names of the noble Baronesses, Lady Janke and Lady Drake, ...

Baroness Drake | 802 cc338-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to take the first opportunity to come back on this because I am conscious that a lot of pe...

Earl Howe | 802 c339GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the noble Baroness will not go away with that impression. We are aware that there is ...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c339GC (Link to this contribution)

I will follow up a couple of questions that I asked the Minister: one was about mini-jobs, and I ...

Earl Howe | 802 c339GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand from officials in the Ministry of Justice that there has been a relatively small num...

Baroness Janke | 802 c340GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his assurances and for the information he gave. I am sure that the Gover...

Lord Geddes | 802 c340GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand that Amendment 89 has already been debated even though it did not appear o...

Baroness Altmann | 802 cc340-1GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Altmann

93: After Clause 128, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Altmann | 802 cc341-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, noble Lords will understand that I believe that this amendment is vital to the ongoing ...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c343GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I signed this amendment and I do not think there is a great deal to add to what the nob...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 c343GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. We should congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Altmann...

Earl Howe | 802 cc343-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Altmann for her amendment. I am well aware that s...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c345GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for his response. I welcomed, very much, the commitment in the manifesto ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 c346GC (Link to this contribution)

I heard the Minister’s reply, which seemed a recipe for no action—not this year or next. Given al...

Earl Howe | 802 c346GC (Link to this contribution)

I promise that nothing I said was intended as a recipe for no action. The problems that my noble ...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c346GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Altmann

94: After Clause 128, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Altmann | 802 cc346-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I should apologise for taking the Committee’s time on issues that I feel have a...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c349GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment because the circumstances that have been outline...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc349-351GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lady Altmann for tabling this amendment and congratulate her on her tenac...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for her response, but I confess to being extremely disappointed with the ...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc351-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

98: Schedule 11, page 186, line 16, at end insert—

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c353GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

99: Schedule 11, page 186, line 22, after “(d)” inser...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 c353GC (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

100: Before Clause 129, insert the following new Cla...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 c353GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Howe took great trouble in Grand Committee on 2 March—at column GC...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c354GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

101: Before Clause 129, insert the following ...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 cc354-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in Committee there has been broad resistance by the Government to positive amendments s...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c356GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my support to many aspects of the amendment from the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles....

Baroness Sherlock | 802 cc356-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, share the aspiration of the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, to constrain somewhat ...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc357-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the question of delegated powers has already been extensively discussed in relation to ...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 cc359-360GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her responses. Referring to the question put by the noble Baroness, Lady...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way, especially as I am about to abuse her generos...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

I can absolutely ensure that those letters will be with all Committee members before Report. We h...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

I am not convinced, but we will await those letters—that was a very useful intervention. This is ...

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