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Home Education (Duty of Local Authorities) Bill [HL]

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Friday, 27 April 2018, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Soley. The answering member was Lord Agnew of Oulton.
Lords committee stage. Clause 1 agreed to as amended. Clauses 2 to 4 agreed to. Bill reported with amendments (HL Bill 98).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

790 cc1771-1813 

Session

2017-19

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Home Education (Duty of Local Authorities) Bill (HL) 2017-19
Wednesday, 28 June 2017
Bills
House of Lords
Home Education (Duty of Local Authorities) Bill (HL) 2017-19
Friday, 27 April 2018
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Lucas | 790 c1771 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 5, at end insert—

“436AA Duty of ...

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1771-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there has been considerable noise in the press and elsewhere about off-rolling: the ide...


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Lord Adonis | 790 c1772 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, does the noble Lord think that a better solution might be if schools did not exclude pu...

Lord Lucas | 790 c1772 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I did not hear the noble Lord.

Lord Adonis | 790 c1772 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord think that, rather than parents being obliged to home educate their children ...

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1772-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is quite possible, but schools and parents can deal only with the circumstances in...

Lord Addington | 790 cc1774-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, and his amendment, primarily because this is the ...

Lord Adonis | 790 cc1775-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree mostly with what the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, said about home education and I co...

Lord Touhig | 790 c1777 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may put a question to my noble friend. Is he aware that 70% of youngsters excluded from...

Lord Adonis | 790 c1777 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend makes a good point, but I want to remain constructive. Great though my admiration...

Lord Kirkhope of Harrogate | 790 c1777 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the noble Lord’s reference to philosophical preferences, my recollection, as a Membe...

Lord Adonis | 790 c1778 (Link to this contribution)

I understand what the noble Lord is saying, but it is quite difficult for the state to start maki...

Lord Grocott | 790 c1778 (Link to this contribution)

Does my noble friend agree that part of the problem is the weakening of local authorities and the...

Lord Adonis | 790 c1778 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend and I could debate academies over a good deal of time, and indeed we have done ov...

Lord Bird | 790 cc1778-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not speaking at Second Reading—please forgive me. I have to declare an ...

Lord Storey | 790 cc1779-1780 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I turn to the amendment, I want to say that of course no one wants to see pupils...

Viscount Falkland | 790 cc1780-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak in your Lordships’ debate with some trepidation because education is no...

Lord Warner | 790 c1781 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is making a very interesting discourse but can he explain how it has any connectio...

Viscount Falkland | 790 c1781 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. The connection, which may upset people, is that I think the Bill is total nonsense in...

Baroness Morgan of Huyton | 790 c1781 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, those of us who were present at Second Reading were clear about the importance of keepi...

Viscount Falkland | 790 c1782 (Link to this contribution)

I take the noble Baroness’s hint. I shall wind up my discourse by saying this. If we are to see i...

Lord Bird | 790 c1782 (Link to this contribution)

Please can we stop bringing things into the debate, as the noble Baroness said? Why do we need to...

Lord Soley | 790 cc1782-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that last-minute intervention. Anybody who believed that home education could n...

Lord Ramsbotham | 790 c1783 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as patron of an organisation called SkillForce, which is probably...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 790 cc1784-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I note my noble friend Lord Soley’s request to be mindful of time constraints and will ...

Lord Agnew of Oulton | 790 cc1785-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on 24 November at Second Reading I made it clear that we understood the concerns that h...

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1786-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very encouraged by that reply from my noble friend, particularly his last sentence...

Lord Soley | 790 c1787 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Soley

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, leave out “monitor” and insert “asse...

Lord Soley | 790 c1787 (Link to this contribution)

I hope this will be very brief as it is a simple amendment. It would change “monitor” to “assess”...

Lord Soley | 790 c1787 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Soley

3: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, leave out “monitor” and insert “asse...

Lord Soley | 790 c1787 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Soley

4: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, leave out “, physical and emotional”...

Lord Soley | 790 c1788 (Link to this contribution)

This amendment is slightly more complicated but it has the same sort of background. When I wrote ...

Lord Lucas | 790 c1788 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

5: Clause 1, page 1, line 9, after “receiving” insert “full time”...

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1788-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the function of the amendments in this group is, I hope, to demonstrate to the Governme...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 790 c1789 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if Amendment 27 is agreed to in this group, I cannot accept Amendment 28 by reasons of ...

Lord Soley | 790 c1789 (Link to this contribution)

I am quite interested in the argument that the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, has put. We have had a num...

Lord Warner | 790 c1789 (Link to this contribution)

I hesitate to stop progress and I apologise for not speaking at Second Reading because I was othe...

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1789-1790 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these definitions are by way of illustration only, and I entirely accept the questions ...

Lord Soley | 790 c1790 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Soley

6: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, at end insert—

“( ) Local aut...

Lord Soley | 790 cc1790-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, for putting his name to this amendment. This is the...

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1791-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. I understand the limitations of a Private Member’s Bill. The ...

Lord Storey | 790 cc1792-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we very much support the amendment. It is a huge decision when you decide to teach your...

Baroness Morgan of Huyton | 790 c1793 (Link to this contribution)

Personally, my Lords, I think we need to be a bit careful with this. Given the conversation on Am...

Lord Bird | 790 c1793 (Link to this contribution)

I think it is really interesting that we are talking about the legitimacy of home education. The ...

Lord Soley | 790 c1793 (Link to this contribution)

To sum this up, if I may, I very much welcome those remarks. The noble Lord, Lord Lucas, again ma...

Lord Lucas | 790 c1793 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

7: Clause 1, page 1, leave out lines 11 and 12

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1793-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of this amendment is to enable some discussion on the subject of registrati...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 790 c1795 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must inform the Committee that if Amendment 7 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments ...

Lord Warner | 790 c1795 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly oppose the amendment. I do so because the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, seems to b...

Lord Storey | 790 cc1795-6 (Link to this contribution)

This is an opportunity to, and I hope the Government will, consider the points made. It is shocki...

Lord Soley | 790 c1796 (Link to this contribution)

I am of the view that it would be better if we had a system where, when a child becomes of school...

Baroness Whitaker | 790 cc1796-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to Amendment 8 in my name I shall brief, because it is really a matter of c...

Lord Addington | 790 c1797 (Link to this contribution)

Very briefly, just to comment on the amendment proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady Whitaker, it ...

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1797-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very attracted by the amendment proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady Whitaker. It ...

Lord Warner | 790 c1798 (Link to this contribution)

Can I just explain my position on this? I speak as someone who spent six years as a director of s...

Lord Bird | 790 c1799 (Link to this contribution)

Maybe this is not the place to broaden the discussion about home education, but it is so interest...

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1799-1800 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to pick up on what the noble Lord, Lord Warner, said, a local authority that has a dece...

Lord Lucas | 790 c1800 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

9: Clause 1, page 1, line 14, at end insert—

“( ) An assess...

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1800-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, assessment is a serious problem if it is overemphasised in this context. Of the populat...

Lord Addington | 790 c1801 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a degree of sympathy with this set of amendments. As the noble Lord suggested, s...

Lord Bird | 790 c1801 (Link to this contribution)

I add to the comments made by the noble Lord, Lord Addington, that there are many ways to skin a ...

Lord Storey | 790 c1801 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, on safeguarding, many home educators bring in people from outside to teach in ...

Lord Soley | 790 c1801 (Link to this contribution)

I do not wish to take up the House’s time on this, because I am conscious that there is another B...

Lord Warner | 790 c1804 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support Amendments 16A and 19A, tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Storey. We ca...

Lord Lucas | 790 c1804 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to pick up on the amendments proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Storey, it seems sensible...

Lord Storey | 790 c1804 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord not accept that anybody working closely or intimately with children, whether ...

Lord Lucas | 790 c1804 (Link to this contribution)

I am entirely comfortable with that and I have been through the process myself in the context of ...

Lord Warner | 790 c1804 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may clarify that. Amendment 16A refers to “other adults”; it does not say “the parent”....

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1805-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I appreciate that we are near a borderline and that this is a matter for discussion, bu...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 790 c1806 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord has made some very valid points but I am concerned by the length at whic...

Lord Lucas | 790 c1806 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think that with the point that we have got to there is any great danger of run...

Lord Soley | 790 c1806 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Soley

10: Clause 1, page 1, line 15, leave out “monitor” and insert “as...

Lord Lucas | 790 c1806 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

12: Clause 1, page 1, line 19, at end insert “and the setting or ...

Lord Lucas | 790 c1806 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group are an attempt to show the Government that this is a Bill ...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 790 c1807 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if Amendment 12 is agreed to, there will be consequential arrangements in respect of Am...

Lord Lucas | 790 c1807 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we are a long way short of having time problems—we have 45 minutes for the last...

Lord Soley | 790 c1807 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these are complicated amendments that need to be considered in the process that we have...

Lord Lucas | 790 c1807 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if there was a time pressure, my noble friend Lord Cormack would be in his place. If th...

Lord Addington | 790 c1807 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Addington

23: Clause 2, page 2, line 22, leave out subsection (2)

Lord Addington | 790 cc1807-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 2, and in particular subsection (2), caused me considerable disquiet when first ...

Lord Soley | 790 cc1808-1810 (Link to this contribution)

I discussed this with the noble Lord, Lord Addington, and I understand his strength of feeling ab...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 790 c1811 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the Committee. I should have made it clear that if Amendment 23, which is currentl...

Lord Addington | 790 c1811 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may respond to that. Although I am severely tempted, I shall not call a Division now. I...

Lord Lucas | 790 cc1811-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may speak briefly to my amendments in this group. I share the concerns of the...

Lord Agnew of Oulton | 790 c1812 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it may be helpful if I offer to have a meeting with the noble Lords, Lord Addington and...

Lord Soley | 790 c1812 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for that helpful intervention and I welcome it.

Lord Addington | 790 c1813 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, given that assurance and the fact that we are going to take a look at this issue, I sha...

Lord Soley | 790 c1813 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Soley

29: In the Title, line 1, leave out “monitor” and insert “assess”...

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