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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Lords committee stage tenth day. Amendments to clause 11 debated and withdrawn. Clause 11 agreed to. Schedule 3 agreed to. Clause 14 under consideration. Part 1 of 2.

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2017-19

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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 18 January 2018
Bills
House of Lords
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) ninth report.
Wednesday, 24 January 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twelfth report.
Wednesday, 31 January 2018
Parliamentary committees
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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill
Monday, 26 March 2018
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Tyler | 790 c623 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Tyler

305: Clause 11, page 7, leave out lines 37 and 38

Lord Tyler | 790 cc623-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on behalf of the noble Lord, Lord Blencathra, and at his request, I will move Amendment...


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Lord Lisvane | 790 c625 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I endorse everything that the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, has said in moving Amendment 305 ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 790 cc625-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I sought to explain in reference to the amendment I moved last week my belief about the...

Lord Morgan | 790 c626 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is one of a number of issues where it seems that the Government have created extra...

Lord Cormack | 790 c626 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join in the tributes to my noble friend Lord Bourne. One thing I hope he will take on...

Lord Wigley | 790 c627 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for taking my seat after the noble Lord, Lord Tyler, started but I heard mo...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 790 c627 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I respectfully agree with the sentiments articulated by the noble Lord. In relation to ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c627 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise only to make it clear that the unanimity comes also from the Front Bench. My nob...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 790 cc627-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who participated in the discussion on these amendments. In opening,...

Lord Tyler | 790 c628 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Minister that the news that I was the nominated understudy on this o...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 790 c630 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Tankerness

311: Clause 11, page 8, line 41, at end insert—

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 790 cc630-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at the request and with the consent of the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, I shall...

Lord Wigley | 790 c631 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 313 in this group, which is in my name. The amendment again ...

Lord Morgan | 790 c631 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree entirely with what the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, said. This might appear to intr...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 790 c632 (Link to this contribution)

I support and agree with everything that has been said. After all, devolution is not a dainty lit...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc632-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for their contributions to the debate. I also thank the noble and learned Lor...

Lord Campbell of Pittenweem | 790 c633 (Link to this contribution)

What is the Government’s view of the proposed continuity legislation, from both Wales and Scotlan...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c633 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that that legislation has been enacted by the devolved Administrations for wh...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 790 cc633-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all who have taken part in this short but important debate, and the noble Baron...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c634 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hope of Craighead

314: After Clause 11, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 cc634-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, although we have left Clause 11, this amendment is closely related to the topics we dis...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 790 cc635-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a cosignatory to Amendment 314 and I associate myself with the eloquent comments m...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 790 cc637-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name to this amendment and I am grateful to my noble and learned friend Lord...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 790 cc638-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the call by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, that primary le...

Lord Liddle | 790 cc639-640 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened with great attention to these debates on devolution and found them extremely inte...

Lord Morgan | 790 c640 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I respond with considerable enthusiasm to what my noble friend Lord Liddle just said—an...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 790 cc640-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is important to remember that this debate is about a fairly limited matter. No doubt...

Lord Wigley | 790 cc641-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad to follow the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay, again. I welcomed very muc...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 790 cc643-4 (Link to this contribution)

To follow on from what the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, has said, I am tempted by the reverse approac...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 790 cc644-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will pick up what the noble Lord, Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, has just said. The criteri...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 cc645-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to add a couple of points. First, are discussions progressing on the possible in...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 c646 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps noble Lords will forgive me for a moment or two while I stretch my back, which is just a ...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 790 c647 (Link to this contribution)

What the Minister is saying is encouraging. For the sake of argument, let us take fishing. Have a...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 cc647-8 (Link to this contribution)

I wish I could answer that question in the affirmative, but the answer is no. Before each meeting...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 790 c648 (Link to this contribution)

Can my noble friend confirm that it is the Government’s intention that this should happen by prim...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 c648 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, that is the intention. We will move forward with this through primary legislation in each of...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 cc648-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate and to th...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 790 cc649-650 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Butler-Sloss

315: After Clause 11, insert the following new Clause—...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 790 c650 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as a vice-chairperson of the All-Party Group on Gibraltar. I add ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c651 (Link to this contribution)

I received a copy of a letter from the representative of the Gibraltar Government which indicated...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 790 c651 (Link to this contribution)

I have a feeling that the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, has not seen as many of the documents as I hav...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c651 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Wigley, is many things, but he is not a ventriloquist.

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 790 c651 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise. I was looking one seat further to the right. However, I feel that the noble Lord has...

Lord Wigley | 790 c651 (Link to this contribution)

It really is me now. The noble and learned Baroness mentioned market access, which links in to th...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 790 cc651-2 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know the answer to that because what I have been told by Gibraltar House, in particular ...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 790 c652 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble and learned Baroness for giving way. I shall speak in support of ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 790 cc652-3 (Link to this contribution)

I can be corrected on this, but I think I am right in saying that much of what was arranged betwe...

Lord Chidgey | 790 cc653-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name to the amendment after Second Reading, as Members will realise. It has ...

Lord Chidgey | 790 c654 (Link to this contribution)

How could I resist the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes?

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c654 (Link to this contribution)

Very easily. I have been listening to the noble Lord very carefully about the assurances from our...

Lord Chidgey | 790 c654 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, who can say? That is the point of this amendment: to try to protect the interests of th...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c654 (Link to this contribution)

All that the noble Lord and the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, spoke of were agre...

Lord Chidgey | 790 c654 (Link to this contribution)

I can only say to the noble Lord that it is quite obvious that we have a long way to go to reach ...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 790 cc654-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest in this matter because I was a part of the accession negotiating ...

Baroness Northover | 790 cc655-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment, which focuses on the acquired rights of those in Gibraltar. T...

Bishop of Leeds | 790 cc657-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to repeat what has been said but the noble Lord, Lord Hannay, seems to ha...

Lord Luce | 790 cc658-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as a former Governor of Gibraltar. I support very much the amendm...

Lord Adonis | 790 c659 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord know whether the Government of Gibraltar are in favour of a referendum on a f...

Lord Luce | 790 c659 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to be drawn on that but, if I may, I will end my remarks by emphasising the need f...

Lord Cormack | 790 cc659-660 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are extremely fortunate to have in this House the noble Lord, Lord Hannay, who has s...

Baroness Ludford | 790 cc660-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the debate this afternoon has amply demonstrated why in today’s Statement the Prime Min...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 790 cc661-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had an excellent debate. I appreciate the comments from the noble Lord, Lord Lu...

Lord Dykes | 790 c662 (Link to this contribution)

In that conjunction of events and facts, was the noble Lord, like colleagues in the other place, ...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 790 cc662-3 (Link to this contribution)

To be clear, the Opposition believe—as do I personally, as someone who has worked in Gibraltar ov...

Lord Callanan | 790 cc663-5 (Link to this contribution)

Let me first agree with the noble Lord, Lord Collins: it has indeed been an excellent debate on a...

Lord Cormack | 790 c664 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend ends, could he assure the Committee that it will be an absolute aim of neg...

Lord Callanan | 790 c664 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to assure the Committee of that. As I said, we are working closely with the Gover...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c664 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the Minister will give way. He mentioned online gambling and financial markets, perhaps l...

Lord Callanan | 790 c664 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry that the noble Lord has a retrograde opinion on these matters. It may shock him to kno...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c664 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether the noble Lord sits in on any of our debates other than those on the Bill. ...

Lord Callanan | 790 c664 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I understand those concerns and why the industry needs to be properly regulated. That i...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 790 cc664-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble Lord for giving way, but he has left us—and, through us, the Gibr...

Lord Callanan | 790 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I will give the noble Lord the answer that I have given when he has asked similar questions previ...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 790 c666 (Link to this contribution)

Have Her Majesty’s Government given any consideration to a matter that I understand was raised ab...

Lord Callanan | 790 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I am not an expert on the legal ramifications of dominion status, so if the noble Lord will forgi...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 790 cc666-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those who have taken part in this debate and the Minister for his partial r...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c667 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

334: Clause 14, page 10, line 40, leave out ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 cc667-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is worth the wait. We need to be clear that these amendments—which return to the Bil...

Lord Adonis | 790 c668 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, does my noble friend not agree that it is a question not just of rigidity but of parlia...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c668 (Link to this contribution)

I think that that is what the amendments seek to achieve and, as this House has said again and ag...

Viscount Hailsham | 790 c668 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Adonis, is right about this, because the noble Baroness’s amendment would gi...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 cc668-670 (Link to this contribution)

There is a series of amendments in the group, and I hope that when we get to Report we will have ...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 790 cc669-671 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment, which is my name, too, and also Amendment 343, which contains...

Duke of Wellington | 790 c671 (Link to this contribution)

I support Amendment 334, a cross-party amendment to which I have added my name, and which goes wi...

Lord Adonis | 790 c671 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness needs to be very cautious about taking on the Duke of Wellington in ...

Lord Liddle | 790 c672 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think we are going to know what the terms of withdrawal are even when we get that treaty...

Lord Adonis | 790 c672 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend makes very good points, which will be a subject for discussion when we see the pr...

Viscount Hailsham | 790 cc672-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly to Amendments 344 and 346 in my name. First, however, I find overw...

Lord Wigley | 790 c673 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak to Amendment 335 in this group, which stands in my name. I agree wholeh...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 790 cc673-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this group of amendments, particularly Amendment 345 in my name.

My nob...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 790 c674 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very strongly support these amendments. I stress that we are locking ourselves into l...

Lord Dykes | 790 c674 (Link to this contribution)

Is the situation not actually worse than that? The noble Lord referred to the Government’s positi...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 790 c674 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure I would say that the Government completely lost their mandate. They emerged from th...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 790 c675 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to my noble friend. On that basis, did the Liberals lose their mandate to call...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 790 c675 (Link to this contribution)

I have indeed said that none of us gained a mandate from the election. That is precisely the posi...

Lord Tugendhat | 790 cc675-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the only intervention I will make in Committee, and I shall do it rather less c...

Lord Bowness | 790 cc676-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly to the amendments in this group, particularly Amendment 343, to wh...

Lord Dykes | 790 c677 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly add words of support for this bunch of amendments. It is no surprise tha...

Viscount Ridley | 790 c678 (Link to this contribution)

It seems from what the noble Lord is saying that the purpose behind these amendments is to keep o...

Lord Dykes | 790 c678 (Link to this contribution)

All the amendments are designed, rather like the noble Lord, Lord Tugendhat, inferred, to improve...

Lord Cormack | 790 c678 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have one simple message: do not tie the hands of those negotiating on your behalf.

Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 790 c678 (Link to this contribution)

Will my noble friend at least acknowledge that if his concern is that the Government will be boxe...

Lord Cormack | 790 c678 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but it is therefore contradictory to have a specific date written in the Bill because the Go...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 790 c678 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, my noble friend has not dealt with the point made by my noble friend Lord Lamont. H...

Lord Cormack | 790 c678 (Link to this contribution)

Very simply, I am talking about the fact that the Bill, as it is before the Committee, has a spec...

Viscount Hailsham | 790 c678 (Link to this contribution)

Does my noble friend assent to the proposition that Back-Benchers in the House of Commons should ...

Lord Cormack | 790 c679 (Link to this contribution)

Parliament must have that ability and most Members of Parliament are Back-Benchers, so it is axio...

Lord Newby | 790 c679 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a co-signatory to Amendments 334 and 343, I support them and the thrust of the debat...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc679-680 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I first thank all noble Lords who have participated in an interesting and very spirited...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 790 c680 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. She seems to have overlooked the fact th...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc681-3 (Link to this contribution)

Turning to the last point first, I have, for the sake of the noble Lord, tried to clarify where t...

Lord Newby | 790 c683 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness for that. I agree that nothing is agreed until everything is ...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c683 (Link to this contribution)

It is a statement of very healthy and good intention. Nothing is agreed until everything is agree...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 cc683-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one of the questions asked earlier was: what would happen if the European Parliament re...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 790 c684 (Link to this contribution)

I reinforce what the noble Baroness has said. We may well face a legislative logjam in both House...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c684 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. I am not sure whether the back of the noble Lord, Lord Duncan, o...

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