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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Lords committee stage ninth day. Schedule 2 agreed. Part 2 of 3.

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790 cc316-344 

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2017-19

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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 18 January 2018
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Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c316 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hope of Craighead

266: Schedule 2, page 17, line 32, at end insert—

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Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 cc316-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 266, which is in my name, is in a series of groups dealing with devolution. I...


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Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 790 c318 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Committee is indebted to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope of Craighead, for hi...

Lord Wigley | 790 c318 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too support the noble and learned Lord’s amendment, and I entirely agree with his app...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 790 c318 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too thank my noble and learned friend Lord Hope of Craighead for introducing this set...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 790 c318 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too support the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, and I too will reserve my remarks ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c319 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this debate will be an easy one for the Minister to respond to. I entirely agree with w...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 790 c319 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not agree that these are simply technical amendments. The issues arise from Clause...

Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield | 790 cc319-320 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I regret that I was unable to speak at Second Reading. I promise that I shall not make ...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc320-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I both echo and reaffirm what the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, said: there...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 790 c321 (Link to this contribution)

I do not understand the expression “sub-delegation” that the Minister uses. Does she suggest that...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c321 (Link to this contribution)

It is merely a generic description of the power to exercise delegated power-making by regulation,...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 790 c321 (Link to this contribution)

May I pursue the intervention made by the noble Lord, Lord Thomas? “Delegated” is not an appropri...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c321 (Link to this contribution)

I accept the distinction drawn by the noble and learned Lord. I am trying to address the amendmen...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 cc321-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for her remarks. The use of the expression “sub-delegatio...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c322 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hope of Craighead

268: Schedule 2, page 18, line 39, at end insert—

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Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 cc322-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first of another group of amendments, all of which are in my name. Amendmen...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 790 cc323-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again I am grateful to my noble and learned friend for the way in which he has introduc...

Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 790 c324 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to reinforce the important points made by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope,...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 790 c324 (Link to this contribution)

Your Lordships should appreciate that the devolved Administrations can make law but have been con...

Baroness Randerson | 790 c325 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to add to what my noble friend just said by making reference to the politics of ...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc325-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hope, for tabling these amendments. They would...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 cc326-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for her very helpful reply. Perhaps this is an example of...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c327 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hope of Craighead

274: Schedule 2, page 21, line 29, leave out “and ret...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 cc327-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first amendment in a very much larger group, not all of which is composed o...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c328 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening very carefully. Can the noble and learned Lord explain again, in simple ter...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c328 (Link to this contribution)

In a sense, retained EU law is simply repeating what is to be found in EU law. The point is that ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c328 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that—these debates are very useful. However, I am getting worried: as the noble and ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c329 (Link to this contribution)

No, it is a serious matter. Surely there are areas that are dealt with now by the European Union ...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c329 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord will forgive me, I was suggesting that we deal with that issue when we look at ...

Lord Wigley | 790 cc329-330 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will strike a different note as I put forward what are perhaps the substantive argume...

Lord Wigley | 790 cc330-1 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed—the very point that the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, was making earlier; I agree. Given the c...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 790 c331 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to speak in this debate because in many respects government Amendmen...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 790 c331 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot allow the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, to continue with his heresy that the Gover...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c332 (Link to this contribution)

No, I have it absolutely right. I know that that is precisely what it is. I have said that on pre...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c332 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am obliged for all the contributions at this stage of the debate. I appreciate, as do...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c332 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to elaborate on what happens to the competences in Europe. I wonder whether the noble ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c332 (Link to this contribution)

But I wanted to challenge what the Minister just said. The competences were not actually removed ...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c333 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, pursuant to our international treaty obligations, we bound ourselves at the level o...

Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 790 c333 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister moves on to the detail of those competences, I want to challenge the analysis...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 cc334-5 (Link to this contribution)

I do not entirely agree with the noble Lord’s analysis but for the present purposes I am not sure...

Lord Wigley | 790 c335 (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble and learned Lord give way?

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c335 (Link to this contribution)

No, perhaps I can finish this point. I am just trying to explain why in these 24 areas it has bee...

Lord Wigley | 790 c336 (Link to this contribution)

I just wanted to intervene on this very point about pesticides. The Minister will be aware that t...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c336 (Link to this contribution)

As regards agricultural support, that is another subspecies of agriculture. I am dealing with tho...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 790 c336 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is making a very strong case for how a single market can operate effectively. Does h...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c336 (Link to this contribution)

That is not what is in contemplation, and that is why I am trying to explain the Government’s thi...

Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 790 c336 (Link to this contribution)

I will not take this opportunity to contest some of the points that have been made about, for exa...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 cc336-8 (Link to this contribution)

I wholly reject the implication that we are suggesting that any of the devolved Administrations a...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 790 c338 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble and learned Lord sits down, may I just tempt him? He has given a very clear expo...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c338 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to rehearse the rhetoric that has been used by some members of the Scottish Govern...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c338 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister used a phrase—which is used also either in the Explanatory Note or in a letter, I ca...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c338 (Link to this contribution)

I note that comment. The noble Baroness will appreciate that the amendment to Clause 11, which I ...

Lord Wigley | 790 c338 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister not realise that the Labour Government in Cardiff feel as strongly as the SNP G...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c339 (Link to this contribution)

One moment. I am terribly sorry, Archbishop, but I must reply to that. This does not give England...

Archbishop of York | 790 c339 (Link to this contribution)

The point I was going to make is exactly the same. As I have listened to the debate, it seems to ...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c339 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to indulge in party politics at this stage; I do not think that that is necessary....

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 790 c339 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord has distinguished between “consult” and “consent”, and has described c...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 cc339-340 (Link to this contribution)

Consultation has been going on in the Joint Ministerial Committees on a regular basis since Octob...

Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 790 c340 (Link to this contribution)

I was the Minister who negotiated the memorandum of understanding. I think I am the only Minister...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c340 (Link to this contribution)

In so far as they are carried forward by primary legislation—and I rather anticipate that that wi...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 790 c340 (Link to this contribution)

As I understand what the Minister is saying, ultimately everything has to be settled by primary l...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c341 (Link to this contribution)

With great respect, I do not think the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, has understood what I said. It is...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 790 c341 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister does, how long will this ring-fence last? I believe the Barnett formula was t...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c341 (Link to this contribution)

It will last until we have managed to implement all of the framework agreement. That will be a fi...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c341 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this debate has ranged a good deal wider than was necessary for the Minister to deal wi...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c341 (Link to this contribution)

I just remind the noble and learned Lord that I said that when we come to Clause 11, we will move...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c341 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that. Not every one of my amendments is a Clause 11 point—there are other point...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c342 (Link to this contribution)

I am content to indicate that we will look at these points.

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c342 (Link to this contribution)

On that basis, I am happy to beg leave to withdraw Amendment 274.

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c342 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hope of Craighead

282: Schedule 2, page 25, line 15, at end insert—

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Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c342 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the last of my little groups of amendments. I will also speak to Amendments 284...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 790 c342 (Link to this contribution)

Please continue. We have said all that we need to say.

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 cc342-3 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much.

I want to explain to the Minister that the point is a very simple one ...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c343 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will respond briefly, without repeating what I said on the immediately preceding grou...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c343 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad we have not provoked a longer debate on this group of amendments. There is a reason for...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c344 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move that the House be now resumed.

Viscount Ullswater | 790 c344 (Link to this contribution)

The Question is that the House be now resumed. As many as are of that opinion will say Content.

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c344 (Link to this contribution)

Not Content. As we are all here, we might as well get on with it.

Viscount Ullswater | 790 c344 (Link to this contribution)

I think I will put the Question again. The Question is that the House be resumed. As many as are ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 790 c344 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may explain. An Urgent Question has to be repeated at about 6 pm. Rather than...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 790 c344 (Link to this contribution)

My point is that we are all here. We have been taking part in a debate. Everyone who wants to tak...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c344 (Link to this contribution)

The Chief Whip did not discuss the matter with me but I support the position he is taking because...

Lord Wigley | 790 c344 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a party of one, I do not expect to be consulted on these matters—I realise that ther...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c344 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do adjourn during pleasure until 6 pm.

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