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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Lords committee stage eighth day. New clauses debated and withdrawn. Clause 16 agreed to. Schedule 7 under consideration when the Committee adjourned. Part 2 of 2.

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790 cc78-168 

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2017-19

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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 18 January 2018
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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) ninth report.
Wednesday, 24 January 2018
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twelfth report.
Wednesday, 31 January 2018
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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill
Monday, 19 March 2018
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Tuesday, 27 March 2018
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Shipley | 790 c79 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Shipley

227: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—

“Lo...

Lord Shipley | 790 cc79-80 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the House that I am a vice-president of the Local Government Association. Amen...


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Lord Porter of Spalding | 790 c80 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to speak in support of the spirit of the amendment, but first I need to ...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 790 c80 (Link to this contribution)

It would be better because I would like to have been an alderman, really.

Lord Adonis | 790 c80 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, depending on whether we leave the European Union, the noble Lord might be able to trans...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 790 cc80-1 (Link to this contribution)

There are some people who have already offered me a one-way ticket.

I should clear up one m...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 790 c81 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may follow the noble Lord, Lord Porter. When I was a small boy singing in the...

Lord Tope | 790 cc81-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, should begin by declaring the usual interest as a vice-president of the Local G...

Lord Adonis | 790 cc83-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Shipley, drew attention to a significant weakness in our constitut...

Lord Beecham | 790 cc84-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I refer to my interests in the register as a vice-president of the Local Government Ass...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 790 cc85-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords who participated in what has been a very interesting and wide-r...

Lord Adonis | 790 c86 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, will those consultative arrangements include a consultative body? If they do not, peopl...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 790 cc86-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am coming to that point, but I anticipate that they would. I will just deal with this point, be...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 790 c87 (Link to this contribution)

My colleagues in Wales would not forgive me if I missed the opportunity to put it on record that ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 790 c87 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to be tempted too far down that path, but I shall be tempted a little way. The are...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 790 c87 (Link to this contribution)

Let me finish the point if the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, will allow. If what I said is true, the a...

Lord Wigley | 790 c87 (Link to this contribution)

It was 49.5% yes in the referendum in Monmouth, so it was almost a majority, while all the other ...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 790 c88 (Link to this contribution)

I support what the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, said. Is it not ironic that the valleys of south Wale...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 790 c88 (Link to this contribution)

Certainly, it is, but before we cause great confusion on the part of anybody tuning in now and th...

Lord Beecham | 790 c88 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that. I should make it quite clear that it is not damage inflic...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 790 c88 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that the noble Lord is absolutely certain of that, because it seemed to be a Tube d...

Lord Shipley | 790 cc88-9 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, my Lords, I shall do so. I thank the Minister for his response, which is mostly welcome. ...

Lord Adonis | 790 c89 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that it is crucial that an actual body is established? Will he perhaps ...

Lord Shipley | 790 c89 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Adonis. He has made several points which constitutionally are e...

Lord Empey | 790 c89 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Empey

227B: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—

“Mut...

Lord Empey | 790 cc89-91 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I speak to the amendment in my name, the noble Lord, Lord Tope, tempts me down m...

Lord Deben | 790 cc91-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Empey. It seems to me, though, that one ...

Lord Warner | 790 cc93-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment and echo very much the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Deb...

Baroness Ludford | 790 c94 (Link to this contribution)

Can I just remind the noble Lord of the debate we had last week on the clinical trials regulation...

Lord Warner | 790 c94 (Link to this contribution)

I did not want to remind the Government Front Bench of the slaughter of the innocents over clinic...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 790 c94 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would say to the noble Lord, Lord Deben, that we are really shooting ourselves in the...

Lord Deben | 790 c94 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to suggest that there is probably not a Member of the House who should not declare an...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 790 c94 (Link to this contribution)

Shortly after the referendum, I was sitting in the orthopaedic surgeon’s office with my wife, who...

Baroness Chalker of Wallasey | 790 c95 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitate to join in, as I have to declare a double interest. As many of your Lordship...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 790 cc95-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment. I remind the House that many of these inventions in the biomed...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 790 cc96-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an excellent debate. Here we have a successful and innovative industry wi...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 cc97-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this medical device amendment has been deemed a probing amendment, and I can tell the n...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 790 c98 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister explain to noble Lords what effect mutual recognition would have? Can he explai...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 c98 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his question. I am again reminded of the importance of the United King...

Lord Bassam of Brighton | 790 c98 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister answer the point made by my noble friend Lord Hunt? It sounds to me that he is ...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 c98 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry if I have misled noble Lords. I am unable to answer the question. That will be a matte...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 790 c98 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government have talked about completing the negotiations by October 2018. Is this o...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 cc98-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is the Government’s intention to complete all negotiations by that point.

I think that a...

Lord Empey | 790 cc99-100 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, little did I believe when I moved this amendment that I was going to open up the spectr...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 790 c100 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Campbell-Savours

227BA: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 790 cc100-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, under this amendment, if by the end of January 2019 negotiations have not concluded in ...

Lord Callanan | 790 cc102-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thought that we would have a longer debate on this matter. I understand the intention...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 790 cc104-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. I am sure he will understand, as indeed will mos...

Lord Fox | 790 c105 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Fox

227BB: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—

“Recr...

Lord Fox | 790 cc105-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, is unable to attend, so I will move Amendment 227BB in h...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 790 c107 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is not associated with this amendment but I am a regular attender of the London...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 790 c107 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest as a recreational boater and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Fox, fo...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 cc107-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving this amendment, the noble Lord, Lord Fox, said that it may not be at the fron...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 790 c108 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord started by saying that this is the nexus of the issues virtually across the piece....

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 c108 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his probe in this regard. This is, if you like, the epitome of the cha...

Lord Fox | 790 c109 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for demonstrating his sensitivity to this issue, which will be rea...

Lord Warner | 790 c109 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Warner

227BD: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—

“P...

Lord Warner | 790 cc109-111 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall bring the Committee back to terra firma with this amendment, which is tabled in...

Baroness Jolly | 790 cc111-2 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak briefly in support of Amendment 227BD, which is in the name of the noble Lord, Lord ...

Baroness Chalker of Wallasey | 790 cc112-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, thank the Faculty of Public Health for its briefing. Perhaps I may cast this is...

Lord Patel | 790 cc113-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak very briefly to this amendment and point out two crucial things. One is t...

Baroness Blackstone | 790 cc114-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Warner. I associate myself with t...

Lord Deben | 790 cc115-6 (Link to this contribution)

I bring the Committee back to the fact that this is a Bill about withdrawal, so we might ask why ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 790 cc116-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Deben, has pointed out, this is about moving into our law the r...

Baroness Northover | 790 cc117-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment on public health. I feel very strongly on this issue, having p...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 790 cc118-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to say a few words—a very few, I promise—in support of the amendment. Decent pub...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c119 (Link to this contribution)

For once, I am grateful to the noble Lord opposite. Can I ask one of my colleagues to determine w...

Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 790 c119 (Link to this contribution)

I would just like to put the opposite view. Some of the regulations that we have had to accept fr...

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 790 cc119-121 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is this side. I have been waiting patiently on this side. I am grateful to the noble...

Baroness Altmann | 790 c120 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the amendment and to point out to the Minister that it gives him an o...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 790 cc120-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome this opportunity to join with others on this important amendment in support o...

Baroness Neuberger | 790 cc122-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment, which is in the name of my noble friend Lord Warner and other...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 790 cc123-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an interesting debate, and we have identified some of the challenges that...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 cc124-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his comments. I will start where he finished: no, we are not going to ...

Lord Warner | 790 c125 (Link to this contribution)

Can I make it clear that the Minister is saying that the powers and duties of the Secretary of St...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 c126 (Link to this contribution)

I am stressing once again that the powers and duties that rest upon a Secretary of State for Heal...

Lord Warner | 790 c126 (Link to this contribution)

That was not my question. Can the Minister say whether the current powers extend to the devolved ...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 c126 (Link to this contribution)

No, for one very simple reason. As the noble Lord knows, we cannot impose on the devolved Adminis...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c126 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is another way of approaching this, and that is to ask whether the provision in t...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 c126 (Link to this contribution)

In this instance, it is not part of EU retained law, but that is not the point. We are saying tha...

Lord Deben | 790 c126 (Link to this contribution)

If it is not part of this Bill, why not? The Government said that they were going to take this in...

Lord Duncan of Springbank | 790 cc126-7 (Link to this contribution)

Because it is superseded by the power that rests in the hands of all good governments to deliver ...

Lord Warner | 790 c127 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to everybody for their contributions in this debate. My score-card shows ...

Lord Marlesford | 790 c127 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marlesford

227BE: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—

<...
Lord Marlesford | 790 cc127-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I raise this issue because the question of the Irish border has increasingly become a m...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 790 c128 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I have understood correctly, my noble friend Lord Marlesford is calling for us to re...

Lord Marlesford | 790 c128 (Link to this contribution)

I am concerned purely with immigration and the movement of people across borders. I want to make ...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc128-130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, your Lordships are going to have to tolerate AP Herbert’s elderly hypochondriac. I than...

Lord Marlesford | 790 c130 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her comments, which are what I very much expected. The simple fact is th...

Lord Broers | 790 c130 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Broers

227BK: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—

“I...

Lord Broers | 790 cc131-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment would ensure that we maintain the resources needed to remain competitive ...

Viscount Trenchard | 790 c132 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I share with the noble Lord, Lord Broers, many of his concerns about the future of our ...

Lord Teverson | 790 cc132-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I find that slightly strange from the noble Viscount. We do have a choice over our expe...

Lord Liddle | 790 c133 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when the Minister replies eloquently as she always does, could she try to explain to th...

Lord Broers | 790 c133 (Link to this contribution)

I want to point out two things in response to the noble Viscount. First, I have introduced this a...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 790 c134 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I recall many years ago in private practice acting on the instruction of the late Lord ...

Lord Adonis | 790 c134 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can the noble and learned Lord remember what price he fixed it at? How does it compare ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 790 cc134-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was a mischievous intervention by my noble friend, which the noble and learned Lor...

Lord Teverson | 790 c135 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister stands up, perhaps I might ask for some clarification. The draft transition a...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc135-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having listened to the very distinguished contributions, I can say that I bring to this...

Lord Teverson | 790 c136 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I ask the Minister again to clarify—this has to be clarified because it is in the draft...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c136 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I do not have a specific response to the noble Lord. I shall find out and write t...

Lord Broers | 790 c137 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am encouraged that the Government are going to be conscientious and provide all these...

Lord Adonis | 790 c137 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Adonis

230: Schedule 7, page 41, line 40, leave out paragraphs (2) and ...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 790 c137 (Link to this contribution)

I should remind your Lordships that if Amendment 230 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 231 t...

Lord Adonis | 790 c137 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, speaking in the middle of the night I see my role as being purely a silent John the Bap...

Lord Lisvane | 790 cc137-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 240. I am really not cut out for the role that the noble Lor...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c138 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we support that. It is particularly important for the new SIs that will deal with funct...

Viscount Hailsham | 790 c138 (Link to this contribution)

In order to indicate cross-party support, I will say that I support this amendment.

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 790 c138 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am just wondering whether the noble Lord who moved this amendment is thinking that th...

Lord Lisvane | 790 c138 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that if it were an SI concerned only with imposing a fee or charge, noble Lords...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc138-141 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have spent, if not many happy hours, then certainly a significant period of time con...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c139 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the noble Baroness leaves the issue of fees, it was fairly clear earlier that th...

Lord Tyler | 790 c139 (Link to this contribution)

Further to that point, am I not right in thinking that the reference back under the amendment to ...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc139-142 (Link to this contribution)

I have undertaken to look at the contributions to the debate. I have not suggested that all matte...

Lord Adonis | 790 c142 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness is so mellifluous and so reasonable when she says that she is not ac...

Lord Lisvane | 790 cc142-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lisvane

237: Schedule 7, page 44, line 35, leave out from beginning to ...

Lord Lisvane | 790 cc143-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will move Amendment 237 and speak to Amendments 237A and 239A. One of the host of ext...

Lord Sharkey | 790 c144 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharkey

237A: Schedule 7, in subsection (4)(b), at end insert “, or

...
Lord Sharkey | 790 cc144-7 (Link to this contribution)

I declare my interest as chair of the Hansard Society, whose work on delegated legislation will b...

Lord Tyler | 790 cc147-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am an eternal optimist, which somehow goes with the territory of being a Liberal.

...
Lord Adonis | 790 cc149-150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we can already see this evening what will be the Government’s formula to get these stat...

Lord Norton of Louth | 790 c150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments that have already been spoken to most eloquently by the noble ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 790 cc150-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I confess that when I first came to your Lordships’ House I never imagined that I would...

Lord Sharkey | 790 c152 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I can help on the point about whether the Commons can reconsider something that it has no...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 790 c152 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point the noble Lord makes, but if we remember the reasons it was brought forwar...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 790 cc152-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before responding to these amendments in turn, I should like to take this opportunity t...

Lord Beith | 790 c155 (Link to this contribution)

The situation that the noble Baroness described, in which the sifting committee has made a recomm...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 790 cc155-6 (Link to this contribution)

I did say that it would indeed be for the Government to justify their position in that situation,...

Lord Sharkey | 790 c156 (Link to this contribution)

On the urgent procedures, why in the Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Bill is there a 60-day period,...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 790 c156 (Link to this contribution)

The procedure, including in EU exit-related legislation such as the customs Bill, must reflect th...

Lord Sharkey | 790 c156 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I feel able to withdraw my amendment, but want to make one comment before I do so. The Minis...

Lord Lisvane | 790 c157 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to the Leader of the House for setting out in such detail what ...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 790 cc157-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts

238: Schedule 7, page 45, line 23, at end ins...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 790 cc158-161 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the graveyard shift, but graveyard shift or not I shall speak also to Amendment...

Lord Beith | 790 c160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group all seek to address a long-standing problem with statutory...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 790 cc160-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 247, which seeks to do precisely that. I am delighted to hav...

Lord Wigley | 790 cc162-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to support Amendment 247 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady McIntos...

Viscount Hailsham | 790 cc163-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 248 in my name. Because of the lateness of the hour I will s...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc164-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have to say that I have been called many things in my life, but the appellation by th...

Lord Beith | 790 c165 (Link to this contribution)

I should like the Minister to envisage that she is responding on behalf of the Government to a de...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc165-6 (Link to this contribution)

That would of course entirely depend on the circumstances of the instrument, the extent of the ch...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 790 c166 (Link to this contribution)

If the Government are not minded to accept an amendment to statutory instruments under these circ...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c166 (Link to this contribution)

I respond to my noble friend as I did to the noble Lord, Lord Beith. That hypothetical situation ...

Lord Wigley | 790 c166 (Link to this contribution)

A moment ago, the Minister said that we would effectively be according to statutory instruments t...

Baroness Goldie | 790 cc167-8 (Link to this contribution)

I have tried to make it clear that we are not attempting to equate delegated legislation with pri...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 790 c168 (Link to this contribution)

I was wondering if my noble friend had any special comment on proposed new sub-paragraph (4) in A...

Baroness Goldie | 790 c168 (Link to this contribution)

At this time of night my reading qualities are not at their most alert. May I look at that in mor...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 790 c168 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for her reply. She short-changed herself in only one sense: tha...

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