European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

I am sorry but I think the noble Lord has slightly misunderstood the amendment. It is Amendment 1...

The noble Lord said that the referendum was not binding on Parliament. Can he deal with the point...

I will do my best. I was not and am not a supporter of any Government—I am a Cross-Bencher—but th...

May I point out to my noble friend that we are implementing the will of the British people as exp...

Yes, that is exactly my opinion, too.

I am grateful to the noble Lord. My only point is that no Government can at any time bind a futur...

My Lords, a final answer to the question by the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth, would be that we do not...

My Lords, together with my noble and learned friend Lord Judge, and the noble Lords, Lord Tyler a...

My Lords, my noble friend Lady Kingsmill and I have been trying to get in on this group of amendm...

I suggest to the noble Baroness that it would save us all a great deal of time and effort in comi...

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Kingsmill, wanted to participate earlier but had an inescapabl...

Far be it for me to argue with my noble friend, but this is not a matter of gender, it is a matte...

There is no danger that anyone would want to read the noble Lord’s speeches on his behalf, so he ...

I am making a perfectly serious point, and I do not think anybody has appointed the noble Lord to...

We all often enjoy the speeches of the noble Lord, Lord Forsyth. It is not a precedent; it is a c...

I thank the Minister and say to the whole Committee that I am willing to read out anyone’s speech...

My Lords, I will speak briefly mainly to Amendment 216, tabled by the noble Viscount, Lord Hailsh...

May I take up the very generous offer of the noble Lord, Lord Callanan, that someone else read hi...

Does the noble Lord not appreciate the irony of choosing the home rule Bill as an example? This B...

What Gladstone showed so brilliantly is that it is possible to share sovereignty both within your...

Does the noble Lord agree that this is the point we are making? The Bill allows the European Parl...

I entirely agree with my noble friend.

I have just a brief point on the previous remark of the noble Lord, Lord Adonis. Does he not agre...

That is a hypothetical question because I still do not take it as a foregone conclusion that the ...

Hear, hear!

We need these amendments because we simply do not trust the Government to have an adequate parlia...

When the noble Lord talks about timing and Parliament, is he also anticipating that Select Commit...

The noble Viscount raises a very important issue which has not been debated in either House of Pa...

I am not quite sure what credence the noble Lord gives to the referendum. He did not mention it i...

We are debating these issues precisely because of the referendum. However, the referendum is not ...

Would the noble Lord wish to encourage the Minister to comment on the effect on timing if the ECJ...

Perhaps the Minister may say more about this when he replies. Given the complexity and difficulty...

One point that the noble Lord has made which I do not think has been emphasised enough is that th...

My Lords, I support Amendment 150 and I have nothing to add to the memorable speeches that were m...

My Lords, I rise to support this group of amendments and I commend all those noble Lords who have...

My Lords, it may have changed since I was in the House of Commons, but can my noble friend explai...

It is indeed our job to make recommendations to the other place if we believe that there are issu...

Will my noble friend remind my other noble friend that the Bill has gone through all its stages i...

My Lords, a point was made by several noble Lords as to a delay in the operation of Article 50. I...

My Lords, I was not intending to speak until the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, spoke. As I understand ...

My Lords, I did not say that the referendum was of no account at all.

Giving an option to stay in is saying that we will go over the whole question again.

I invite the Minister to explain to my noble friend—who I have known for years and like very much...

If my noble friend will forgive me, I will concentrate on the amendments before us and leave this...

A much wiser and older head than me, Merlyn Rees, once told me that, when listening to a Minister...

Before the noble Lord sits down, will he pass comment about not just the European Parliament but ...

Let us take it one step at a time.

In response to the noble Viscount’s final question, no, there will be no vote in national parliam...

I am sorry to interrupt, but if the withdrawal agreement is a mixed agreement then there do have ...

Yes, I fear the noble Lord is wrong about that. I think he is referring to the final trade agreem...

I respectfully suggest that my noble friend is wrong in saying that it is impossible to guarantee...

I can give him the assurance that we intend, we expect, we hope and we want the vote in this Parl...

My Lords, the Minister is making pretty heavy weather of this. Has he not noticed that Monsieur B...

I thank the noble Lord for telling me about the processes of the European Parliament, but I was a...

My Lords, if the Minister is not prepared to give any ground on the timescale in terms of the amo...

I do not want to get into precise timings like that: we have said that we hope to have an agreeme...

My Lords, I am a little confused. Clause 9, as amended in the Commons, refers to Parliament appro...

If the noble Lord will allow me to make some progress I will come on to the issues of Clause 9 la...

My noble friend speaks of a clear instruction from the British people in the referendum but the B...

That point has been addressed in exchanges earlier. The then Government made a clear commitment, ...

Before the Minister leaves that point, in the event of there being a no-deal Brexit, the Governme...

No, I will not endorse that. I will come on to the circumstances in a minute.

Let me say di...

But there was no decision taken; it was an advisory referendum. My noble friend refers to a leafl...

My noble friend and I will just have to disagree on this one.

We have also made our positio...

If the Minister will forgive me, he is not in any position to make that clear because that is a d...

The Government’s position is clear that Article 50 will not be revoked. We will discuss the quest...

My Lords, with everything he says my noble friend is repudiating the authority and position of Pa...

I think I am asserting the supremacy of the people who voted in a referendum.

Oh!

My Lords, we will discuss the appropriateness of a second referendum later today—

The Minister has just, perhaps inadvertently, said something of profound constitutional consequen...

I am asserting that Parliament voted to hold a referendum. The referendum took place, and we all ...

Am I not right in saying that the Government have taken power to extend the exit day beyond the d...

We are leaving the European Union on 29 March next year in accordance with the Article 50 notific...

Is the Minister not contradicting the statement by the Secretary of State for Exiting the Europea...

Of course Parliament is allowed to change its mind. It does so on many occasions and no doubt wil...

How does the Minister intend to prevent the House of Commons considering the option of remaining ...

I do not control the proceedings of the House of Commons. I can only set out the Government’s pos...

Perhaps I can help. This is becoming a rather complicated discussion and some of us are trying ve...

We have never used the term “a meaningful vote”. We recognise clearly the desirability of maximis...

Pursuant to the earlier question, perhaps I have completely misunderstood what the Prime Minister...

I have said on a number of occasions that we will put the outcome of the negotiations to a vote i...

I think there is huge confusion here about the Government wanting to implement the “will of the p...

We do not intend to put a bad deal to the vote. As we have said, we want to negotiate the best po...

When my noble friend, in summing up, clarifies his understanding of “meaningful”, will he tell th...

Perhaps the noble Baroness was not listening to what I said earlier. We fully intend the vote to ...

What is the point of leaving in this Bill the power to make regulations which can now only be bro...

If I can make a little more progress talking about Clause 9, I think the noble Lord will find tha...

Is it meaningful?

Everything I say is meaningful. Although we can look again at elements of the power, we will not ...

The Minister referred to the CRaG procedure. He may not be aware that the House of Commons put ou...

If the noble Viscount will forgive me, I have not read the details of that. I am sure his quote i...

My Lords, the Minister has just said, as he has done several times in Committee, that, first, the...

I and other Ministers have indicated in response to other groupings of amendments where we are de...

My Lords, the Minister has got me famously confused now. He said, in a very welcome way just now,...

There are two stages: once we have a deal, we will put its terms to both Houses, and if we get ap...

So the Minister’s reading is that the Amendment 7 provision is merely synonymous with the impleme...

I do not think I said that. The terms of Amendment 7 are fairly clear. That has been written into...

Perhaps I was not paying enough attention, but can I ask my noble friend: if we are going to end ...

There are some technical provisions that we may want to use Clause 9 to implement, subject to the...

Will the noble Lord write to me on the particular issue he raised on the CRaG procedure for the r...

Of course, I would be delighted to do so.

My Lords, we have to thank the Minister for his wisdom, his humour, his tolerance—but. One thing ...

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness. If she is minded to bring forward such a composite...

My understanding is that this will not go to them. We are talking about the withdrawal deal, whic...

Moved by

Lord Lisvane

153: Clause 9, page 7, line 10, leave out subsection (2)

My Lords, I must convey to the Committee the sincere apologies of my noble and learned friend Lor...

My Lords, I wish to speak to Amendment 153, which also stands in my name. Having been away from y...

My Lords, I follow my noble friend on her specific point and reiterate the question. On the speci...

My Lords, I support Amendments 153 and 154—so eloquently introduced by the noble Lord, Lord Lisva...

My Lords, I completely agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Chidgey, just said. Noble Lords might...

My Lords, first, I hope that “appropriate” will disappear in any event, and that it will be repla...

I am sure the noble and learned Lord is right, but the Government cannot do any of these things u...

I can see that. On the other hand, it is sometimes wise to be prepared if you can foresee a thing...

My Lords, I mentioned on Monday that an aspect of Clause 9(2) is of concern to the devolved Admin...

My Lords, I support both these amendments. I appreciate what the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mac...

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Lisvane, and the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, in ...

My Lords, we strongly support these amendments, Amendment 153 having been co-signed by my noble f...

My Lords, this has turned into a clause stand part debate by any other name and I have been liste...

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lisvane, for his contribution and other noble Lords for th...

My noble friend is referring to a situation that presumably would take place under the next Bill,...

If I can continue, I might be able to reassure my noble friend by giving some illustrations of wh...

Before the Minister resumes—without wishing to interrupt her further—can I just take her back to ...

I was merely trying to be helpful in giving your Lordships some indication of what already exists...

Under the provisions of Clause 9, that could not be done before the passage of the withdrawal agr...

I understand what the noble Lord is saying, and I accept in principle that that is a fair assessm...

To take that slightly further, following the question from the noble Lord, Lord Beith, if the wit...

No one is saying that it could not be; it is just that there may be advantage in anticipating tha...

If, as the noble Baroness’s answer suggests, it does not need to be done in this way but can be d...

I accept the noble and learned Lord’s argument, but I respond by saying that in a sense we are tr...

I am very grateful to the Minister for that answer but my point really is, what happens if the Mi...

I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord for teasing that out. I shall undertake to investigat...

I thank the Minister for responding to the debate with her customary courtesy, precision and humo...

Moved by

Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws

161A: Clause 9, page 7, line 17, at end insert...

My Lords, I cede to my noble friend Lord Hain who will lead on this group and then I will speak t...

My Lords, I am very grateful to my noble friend Lady Kennedy of The Shaws for enabling me to spea...

I am most interested but I wonder whether the noble Lord has looked at the evidence given to the ...

I know that evidence has been given but I simply stick to what I have argued, supported by the fo...

My Lords, on the question of the Good Friday agreement, did my noble friend notice the significan...

If that is the case, as my noble friend has reminded us, then the Government should be supporting...

Is my noble friend aware that the European Parliament has today voted by 554 votes to 110 for a f...

I understood that this was a proposal being put by, I think, the leader of the European Parliamen...

My Lords, Amendment 161A is tabled in my name and leads this group of amendments. I felt it was r...

My Lords, my reason for putting down Amendment 187A was to ensure that if we are to leave the EU,...

My Lords, I will be speaking in particular to Amendment 215 in this group, which is in my name. I...

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for giving way. Paragraph 4.36 of the Companion suggests that: