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Higher Education and Research Bill

Lords committee stage third day. Clauses 2 to 9 agreed to, with clause 8 agreed to as amended. Part 1 of 2.

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778 cc16-83 

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2016-17

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Higher Education and Research Bill 2016-17. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 22 November 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee tenth report.
Wednesday, 14 December 2016
Parliamentary committees
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Higher Education and Research Bill
Monday, 16 January 2017
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Deposited Paper DEP2017-0166
Wednesday, 18 January 2017
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Deposited Paper DEP2017-0201
Monday, 6 March 2017
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Storey | 778 c16 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Storey

60: Clause 2, page 2, line 8, at end insert—

“( ) In givin...

Lord Storey | 778 c17 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on behalf of the noble Baroness, Lady Wolf, who is not well, I shall move this amendmen...


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Baroness Garden of Frognal | 778 c17 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments in this group to which I have added my name and those that hav...

Lord Norton of Louth | 778 cc17-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 65 and 510 in this group were tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Lisvane, who is...

Lord Judge | 778 cc18-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what has just been said by the noble Lord, Lord Norton, and draw attention to...

Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 778 c19 (Link to this contribution)

I support the amendment. I think there are wider reasons for feeling that not everything can be w...

Lord Willetts | 778 cc19-20 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may briefly comment on these amendments by looking at them from the perspecti...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 778 cc20-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the group contains several common-sense amendments that would strengthen the Bill and o...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 778 cc21-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had another good but much shorter debate on this important Bill. Once again it ...

Lord Storey | 778 c23 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that it was a former Prime Minister who used the phrase, when losing the vote o...

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 778 c23 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Brown of Cambridge

63: Clause 2, page 2, line 25, at end insert—

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 778 cc23-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 129, 130, 131, 137, 167, 168, 169, 170, 180, 184, 206,...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 778 cc24-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in deferring to the noble Baronesses on the Cross Benches, Lady Brown and Lady Wolf, I ...

Lord Willetts | 778 cc26-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Brown, on her lucid explanation of the...

Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe | 778 cc27-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Brown, in urging the Government to think again about...

Lord Smith of Finsbury | 778 c29 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the House of my interests, which I have already declared. I support the amendm...

Lord Lucas | 778 cc29-30 (Link to this contribution)

A couple of my amendments have washed up in this group. Amendment 192 asks whether the OfS will b...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 cc30-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a good and useful debate about, as everyone has said, important issues wh...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 778 c31 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been another helpful debate. I stress that I have listened carefully to the ar...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 c31 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has now used a third variation. I think he is trying to say that this is an issue wh...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 778 cc31-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is amusing playing around with words. We may, indeed, want to return to this on Report: I woul...

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 778 c32 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened with interest to the Minister and I am very pleased that he has offered to write ...

Lord Lucas | 778 c33 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

68: Clause 2, page 2, line 31, at end insert—

“( ) All bodi...

Lord Lucas | 778 c33 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 68 seeks to make sure that bodies on which the OfS places responsibility unde...

Baroness Goldie | 778 cc33-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I expected full-blooded and voluble contributions from all sides of the Committee. I re...

Lord Lucas | 778 c34 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the comfort which my noble friend has given me and I beg leave to wit...

Lord Storey | 778 c34 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Storey

70: Clause 2, page 2, line 31, at end insert—

“( ) The OfS...

Lord Storey | 778 c34 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill creates separate regulatory and funding bodies for teaching and research and in so doing...

Lord Willetts | 778 c34 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, the thought behind the amendment makes a lot of sense. Currently we have had f...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 cc34-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Willetts, on the amendment. It is a good one, and alt...

Baroness Goldie | 778 cc35-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fully understand the motivation behind this amendment, which seeks to give the OfS an...

Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe | 778 c36 (Link to this contribution)

Can I ask the noble Baroness to reflect on the point made by the noble Lord, Lord Willetts, about...

Baroness Goldie | 778 c36 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for raising an interesting point. I am sure it is one on which I and m...

Lord Storey | 778 c36 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister for her full and frank reply. I will reflect carefully on what...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 778 c36 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Garden of Frognal

72: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clau...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 778 c36 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the absence of the noble Baroness, Lady Wolf, I beg to move this amendment, to which...

Baroness Watkins of Tavistock | 778 c37 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I draw attention to my interests, as declared in the register.

I support the amen...

Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 778 c37 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when the Minister replies, can she clarify a key term of the Bill—namely, the English h...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 cc37-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a topic that came up on the first day in Committee when I was asked a question,...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 778 c39 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can understand the motivation behind this amendment. At the outset, I would like to a...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 778 c39 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his reply and note that Clause 77 includes the meaning of “higher educat...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 c40 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

74: Clause 3, page 3, line 9, leave out “may” an...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 cc40-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a relatively brief group of amendments that are primarily concerned with drafti...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 778 cc41-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I assure the Committee that there is a clear obligation on the OfS to consult when it f...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 c42 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response. I notice that he did not confirm whether the regulations w...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 c42 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

75: Clause 5, page 4, line 9, at end insert—

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Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 cc42-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the absence of the noble Baroness, Lady Royall, and with her consent, I shall introd...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 778 c44 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment for the good reasons set out by the noble Lord, ...

Lord Judd | 778 c45 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a very important amendment. I want to make two points. First, we have already s...

Lord Lexden | 778 c45 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the case for the amendment has been explained clearly and persuasively by the noble Lor...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 778 c45 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest as a member of the University of Cambridge. Before I entered your...

Lord Storey | 778 c46 (Link to this contribution)

I was drawn to an Answer from the Minister to a Question on the effectiveness of the Sheffield pi...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 778 cc46-7 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be very brief indeed. The comments of the noble Baroness from the Liberal Democrat Benche...

Lord Smith of Finsbury | 778 c47 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will reflect very briefly on what actually happened in Cambridge on 23 June last year...

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 778 c47 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the intent of this amendment. When I was vice-chancellor at Aston University,...

Baroness Goldie | 778 cc47-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank your Lordships for your contributions. This has been interesting and, by way of...

Lord Judd | 778 c49 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness made the point that a growing number of universities are, of their own volitio...

Baroness Goldie | 778 c49 (Link to this contribution)

With all respect to the noble Lord, Lord Judd, I do not think anyone is suggesting that there is ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 c50 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid I was a bit disappointed in the noble Baroness’s response to the amendment....

Lord Storey | 778 c50 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Storey

76: Clause 5, page 4, line 9, at end insert—

“(1A) Subject...

Lord Storey | 778 cc50-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, your Lordships’ House has an excellent record on the issue of mental health. In fact it...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 778 cc51-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment. In coalition, our Health Minister, Norman Lamb, ...

Lord Judd | 778 c52 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I commend the amendment. It is enlightened and imaginative. University should be a thri...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 778 c52 (Link to this contribution)

I wholeheartedly support the amendment. I wish to make a limited point. Why should it refer to “m...

Lord Smith of Finsbury | 778 cc52-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will forgo the opportunity to discourse the difference between “shall” and “must”; I ...

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 778 c53 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to further emphasise the importance of mental health support to the areas of acc...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 cc53-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a rather important measure which I hope will be reflected in the Minister’s res...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 778 cc54-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Garden of Frognal, and the noble Lord, Lord S...

Lord Storey | 778 c55 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his thoughtful reply. I am delighted that mental health is a p...

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 778 c55 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Brown of Cambridge

82: Clause 8, page 5, line 30, after second “whi...

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 778 c55 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will move Amendment 82 and speak briefly to Amendments 84 and 88, in my name and that...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 c55 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these are sensible and appropriate amendments for the Minister to consider. They are th...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 778 cc56-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the mandatory registration conditions placed on all providers are important and it is r...

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 778 c57 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Viscount for his detailed reply and for his assurances about controls on the pr...

Baroness Goldie | 778 c57 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Goldie

83: Clause 8, page 5, line 34, after “OfS” insert “, or a pe...

Baroness Goldie | 778 cc57-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I turn to the amendments tabled by my noble friend Lord Younger regarding the designate...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 cc58-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we are all slightly struck dumb by the flow of information that has come out ab...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 778 c59 (Link to this contribution)

I want to be sure that I understand. The designated body will be able to perform some of the duti...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 c59 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to come back so quickly but I am prompted by the noble and learned Lord to make a poin...

Baroness Goldie | 778 c59 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, and my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay. To...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 778 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

86: Clause 8, page 5, line 38, leave out from “it...

Lord Lucas | 778 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

89: Clause 8, page 5, line 39, at end insert—

“( ) a condit...

Lord Lucas | 778 cc60-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall also speak to the other amendments in this group. All have to do with collabora...

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 778 c62 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it would be difficult to ask universities to tell the Government about their overseas s...

Lord Willetts | 778 c62 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I support this amendment but ask my noble friend Lord Lucas whether the obstac...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 778 cc62-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments relates to collaboration across the higher education sector. I...

Lord Lucas | 778 c64 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for his answer and I will certainly take him up on his...

Lord Lucas | 778 c64 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

94: Clause 9, page 6, line 3, leave out “of a prescribed descript...

Lord Lucas | 778 cc65-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid the Committee will get tired of hearing from me on this. This is all about ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 cc66-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for the delay in getting to my feet, but I was just wondering whether other...

Baroness Goldie | 778 cc69-71 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Lucas for bringing forward these amendments, which seek to...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 c71 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness sits down, I wonder whether she could possibly come back to the questio...

Baroness Goldie | 778 c71 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the noble Lord will permit me to respond to him in greater detail by writing to him.<...

Lord Lucas | 778 c71 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to my noble friend for her offer of a meeting. Of course, if any oth...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 778 c72 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Tankerness

110: Clause 9, page 6, line 14, at end insert—

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 778 cc72-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 110 and also to Amendments 112, 117, 228 and 233 standing in ...

Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 778 cc74-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we need to clarify a point that I have raised a couple of times already which is whethe...

Lord Willetts | 778 cc75-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that fascinating intervention gets to the heart of the direction of travel that is bein...

Lord Kerslake | 778 c76 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly endorse what the noble Lord, Lord Willetts, has said. I declare an interest ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 778 cc76-7 (Link to this contribution)

I always proceed with care. I am not afraid of that sort of gibe. We could get ourselves in an aw...

Baroness Goldie | 778 cc77-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their contributions, which have certainly provoked thought. The...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 778 cc78-80 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to all noble Lords and noble Baronesses who have taken part in this ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 778 c80 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Garden of Frognal

110A: Clause 9, page 6, line 14, at end insert—

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 778 cc80-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I recognise that the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, is not here to move the initial amendme...

Baroness Goldie | 778 cc81-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Garden, and, in his absence, the noble Earl, Lord List...

Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 778 c82 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister reflect also on the fact that the HESA statistical database is not available fo...

Baroness Goldie | 778 c82 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord for raising that point; it is something of which I was unawa...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 778 c82 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister spoke again about the problems of self-declaration in relation to disability and per...

Baroness Goldie | 778 c83 (Link to this contribution)

For reasons which I think are apparent to us all, there are issues of sensitivity there. It would...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 778 c83 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for responding, in particular to the amendment in the name of the ...

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