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Wales Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 14 December 2016, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth.
Lords report stage first day. Part 1 of 2.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

777 cc1263-1316 

Session

2016-17

Department

Wales Office

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Wales Bill 2016-17. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 13 September 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Wales Bill
Wednesday, 14 December 2016
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2017-0053
Wednesday, 18 January 2017
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1263 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

1: Clause 1, page 2, line 5, leave out “There is”...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 cc1263-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before we begin our Report stage scrutiny of the Bill, I would like to say a few words ...


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Lord Carlile of Berriew | 777 c1265 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble Lord and I hear what he says about jurisdiction. If that is to be...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 cc1266-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that the noble Lord will understand that I do not want to be drawn into the s...

Lord Elis-Thomas | 777 cc1267-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may respond positively to the amendment introduced in response to the discuss...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 777 c1269 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to add one word to what the noble Lord, Lord Elis-Thomas, has just said. I very ...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 777 cc1269-1270 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have tabled Amendment 2 relating to the establishment of a justice in Wales commissio...

Lord Wigley | 777 cc1270-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had intended to speak in support of the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan of Ely, on her Am...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 777 c1271 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, and my noble friend Lady Morgan of Ely. I fir...

Baroness Finn | 777 cc1271-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at Second Reading, I spoke in support of the maintenance of the single legal jurisdicti...

Baroness Humphreys | 777 cc1272-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 2, in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan of Ely, to ...

Lord Morgan | 777 cc1273-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think this is an occasion on which we should not speak for more than a minute and a h...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 777 cc1274-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall raise two short points. One is to commend the Government’s Amendment 1 and the ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 cc1275-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in debate on this group of amendments. It was...

Lord Elis-Thomas | 777 c1276 (Link to this contribution)

May I pursue the point that the Minister just made about the non-statutory proposal for this comm...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1276 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I indicated on the latter point that I certainly intended that we would publish, in som...

Lord Hain | 777 c1276 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not being here for the whole debate. The Minister mentioned the fiscal ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1277 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in relation to the fiscal framework, things continue to move in a very satisfactory dir...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 777 c1277 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it was heartening to hear that the committee can go forward only through consensus—that...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1277 (Link to this contribution)

First, as I have said, these things are best done by consensus but it is a two- way street—both s...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1277 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

4: Clause 4, page 3, line 24, leave out “Wales pu...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 cc1278-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group relate to universities and public bodies. Their purpose is...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 777 c1279 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must express our gratitude to the Government for clarifying this position. I also ech...

Lord Morgan | 777 c1279 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was once vice-chancellor of the University of Wales and I think that this is a distin...

Baroness Randerson | 777 c1279 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by declaring an interest as a governor of Cardiff Metropolitan University. I ec...

Lord Crickhowell | 777 c1279 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as for expressing thanks and congratulations, may I, as the first president of Cardiff ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 cc1279-1280 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in the debate on the second group of amendmen...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1280 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

5: Clause 4, page 3, leave out lines 25 to 28 and...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1280 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

6: Schedule 3, page 96, line 16, leave out “WALES...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1280 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

9: Clause 5, page 6, line 21, at end insert—

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1281 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

10: Clause 9, page 12, line 17, at end insert “, ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1281 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

11: Clause 13, page 15, line 40, at end insert—

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1281 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

13: Clause 21, leave out Clause 21

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 cc1281-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these new clauses and amendments in my name mainly take forward the recommendations of ...

Lord Crickhowell | 777 cc1284-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I refer in passing to Amendment 42, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Wigley. I spoke...

Lord Wigley | 777 cc1286-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to follow the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, whose interest and involveme...

Lord Morgan | 777 c1288 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very strongly agree with what the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, has just said. To leave th...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 777 cc1288-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to follow on from what the noble Lord, Lord Morgan, has just said, I have looked at the...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 777 c1289 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I take exactly the same view and support completely everything that has been said by th...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 777 cc1289-1290 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I defer to my noble friend Lord Crickhowell’s specialist knowledge on fisheries and wil...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 777 cc1290-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was reflecting on how passionate and moving some of the speeches about water were in ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1292 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for what has certainly been an impassioned debate on an area that I...

Lord Crickhowell | 777 c1292 (Link to this contribution)

The only thing that worries me about that is that they may have been passed to the Welsh Governme...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1292 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I said, I will look at the issue, but my understanding is that if the fishing is tak...

Lord Wigley | 777 c1292 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister, who is repeating—quite understandably—the points he made in Commit...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1293 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am saying that. The noble Lord is not often unfair, but I think that he is being unfa...

Lord Wigley | 777 c1293 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to intervene again—I do not want to be a nuisance—but the Bill says that the protocol ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1293 (Link to this contribution)

That is a drafting point. The noble Lord makes a fair point, but I can give the reassurance that ...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 777 c1293 (Link to this contribution)

From what the Minister says, it seems pretty obvious that the protocol will not be in existence b...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1294 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan, for that intervention. I cannot be certain, but I an...

Lord Wigley | 777 c1294 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Wigley

14: Clause 29, page 26, line 23, leave out “, other than harbour...

Lord Wigley | 777 cc1294-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendment 14 and the other amendments in the group which have ...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 777 cc1295-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 14 to 22 in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Wigley...

Baroness Randerson | 777 c1296 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it really rankles that, yet again, something which is taken for granted in Scotland is ...

Lord Crickhowell | 777 cc1296-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to intervene again on this issue. I have long experience of dealing ...

Lord Hain | 777 c1297 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, following that very interesting contribution from the noble Lord, Lord Crickhowell, per...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 cc1297-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in the debate on these amendments. Obviously,...

Lord Hain | 777 c1299 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, if the Minister is saying that the two Governments would work together anyway in th...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1299 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I have understood the point correctly, this is in the context of our firm belief tha...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1299 (Link to this contribution)

May I just develop this point? I remind noble Lords that the rule on Report is that they should s...

Lord Hain | 777 c1299 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful. Incidentally, that was an intervention, not another speech. If the Welsh Governmen...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 cc1299-1301 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we could disagree on this issue until the cows come home but the basic point, which I t...

Lord Wigley | 777 c1301 (Link to this contribution)

I thank those who have taken part in this debate, including the noble Baronesses, Lady Morgan and...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1302 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

27: Clause 35, page 30, line 46, at end insert—

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 cc1302-3 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

28: After Clause 35, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1303 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

30: Clause 36, page 31, line 28, leave out “or se...

Lord Wigley | 777 c1303 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Wigley

36: Clause 37, page 32, line 32, leave out “350” and insert “200...

Lord Wigley | 777 cc1303-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, here we go again. I rise to move Amendment 36 and to speak to Amendment 37, which is co...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 777 cc1306-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 57 and 58, which seek to amend government Amendment 56. The...

Lord James of Blackheath | 777 c1308 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan, has been led astray by a very faulty piece of wor...

Baroness Randerson | 777 c1308 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by making clear that I do not share the views of the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, o...

Lord Griffiths of Burry Port | 777 c1308 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will intervene for a short moment, with real apologies for not having been here at ea...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 777 c1309 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Griffiths of Burry Port is rather charitable, indeed flattering, t...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 cc1309-1312 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will address the remarks on this group of amendments and I thank noble Lords who have...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 777 c1312 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, I should like to be clear on this point. The suggestion is that th...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1312 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I acknowledge that this is a serious issue. I am grateful to the noble Baroness for exa...

Lord Wigley | 777 c1312 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to everyone who has taken part in this debate. I have noted the replies g...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1312 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

38: Clause 37, page 34, line 11, at end insert—

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1313 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

39: After Clause 45, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1313 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

40: After Clause 45, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1314 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

45: Clause 46, leave out Clause 46 and insert the...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1314 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

50: After Clause 46, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1315 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

53: After Clause 46, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 cc1315-6 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

55: After Clause 49, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 777 c1316 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

56: After Clause 49, insert the following new Cla...

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