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Policing and Crime Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 16 November 2016, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (fifth day). New clauses (Lords amendments 216, 219A to D, 220, 223, 228A, 228C, 228D and 230) debated and withdrawn. Clauses 144, 145, 147, 148, and 151 agreed. Clauses 149 and 150 agreed to as amended. New clause (Lords amendment 228F) debated and agreed to. Other amendments agreed to. Bill reported with amendments (HL Bill 72).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

776 cc1436-1524 

Session

2016-17

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Policing and Crime Bill 2015-16 to 2016-17
Tuesday, 14 June 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee third report.
Wednesday, 6 July 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fourth report.
Friday, 9 September 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Legislative scrutiny: (1) Children and Social Work Bill; (2) Policing and Crime Bill; (3) Cultural Property (Armed Conflicts) Bill. Human Rights Joint Committee third report.
Wednesday, 12 October 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons

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Policing and Crime Bill 2015-16 to 2016-17. As amended in Committee.
Wednesday, 16 November 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2016-0873
Monday, 28 November 2016
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2016-0912
Monday, 12 December 2016
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 776 c1436 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

216: After Clause 143, insert the following n...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 776 cc1436-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the consent of my noble friends Lord Paddick, Lady Hamwee and Lady Grender, and at...


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Viscount Hailsham | 776 c1439 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with what the noble Lord is saying. What troubles me sl...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 776 c1439 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is quite plain that there ought to be an appeal. I have not looked at the provisions...

Viscount Hailsham | 776 cc1439-1440 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I give qualified support to what has just been said by the noble Lord, Lord Marks. I ha...

Lord Pannick | 776 c1440 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some comments on Amendments 216 and 217 for consideration by the Committee. On A...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 776 c1440 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Pannick, is plainly right on that—it needs amendment.

Lord Pannick | 776 c1440 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful. My only other point on Amendment 217 is one that I think the noble Lord, Lord Mark...

Baroness Grender | 776 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments in this group. I am delighted to see the noble Lord, Lord Faul...

Lord Faulks | 776 cc1441-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Grender, for mentioning my small part in...

Lord Rosser | 776 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief. These amendments cover a serious and disturbing issue that has receive...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1442-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Marks, has explained, this group of amendments all relate to

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 776 cc1444-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be very brief in response. We will, of course, consider the Minister’s reply in ...

Lord Paddick | 776 cc1445-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

219A: After Clause 143, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Paddick | 776 cc1446-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 219A is tabled in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours. ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 776 cc1449-1452 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the House is indebted to the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, who has huge experience in this ...

Earl Attlee | 776 cc1450-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, and his very reasonable amendment. The...

Lord Pannick | 776 c1454 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Committee will be very grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Paddick and Lord Campbell-...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 776 c1454 (Link to this contribution)

Surely they can come forward during the course of the trial.

Lord Pannick | 776 cc1454-5 (Link to this contribution)

The problem is that they come forward during the course of the trial only if there is one. By rea...

Earl Attlee | 776 c1455 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the noble Lord is right. Would that not let other victims know that their allegati...

Lord Pannick | 776 c1455 (Link to this contribution)

No. They would not know who the individual was. This of course is very unfair on famous footballe...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 776 c1455 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has listed a number of objections. He is an eminent lawyer. How would he solve the...

Lord Pannick | 776 c1455 (Link to this contribution)

The way that people protect their reputations is that we all have to emphasise the importance of ...

Viscount Hailsham | 776 cc1455-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, notwithstanding the very eloquent speech made by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, I am in ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 776 c1456 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, is the noble Viscount, Lord Hailsham, saying that the practice of police officers givin...

Viscount Hailsham | 776 cc1456-7 (Link to this contribution)

I really do not think so because it is a question of publication. What is meant by “publication”?...

Baroness Brinton | 776 cc1457-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, many speakers with much more experience than me might wonder why someone who has amendm...

Lord Faulks | 776 c1458 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we know that this is an issue on which it is very difficult to find a satisfactory comp...

Lord Beith | 776 cc1458-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have great respect for both my noble friend Lord Paddick and the noble Lord, Lord Pan...

Lord Judge | 776 cc1459-1460 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I introduce what I want to say by suggesting that we need to question certainties that ...

Lord Lexden | 776 cc1460-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, much gratitude is due to the noble Lords, Lord Paddick and Lord Campbell-Savours, for i...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 776 cc1461-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment, although there should of course be amendments to the drafting....

Lord Rosser | 776 cc1463-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have seen from this debate, this issue raises strong feelings. I will say before ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1465-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in the debate. The variety of views on this sub...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 776 c1466 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask the Minister a simple question? She used the phrase,

“demonstrably in the public ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1466 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not talk about individual cases, and noble Lords would not expect me to do so. I...

Lord Paddick | 776 cc1466-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister and to all noble Lords who have participated in this...

Lord Faulks | 776 c1469 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. Perhaps he could help the Committee with this: th...

Lord Paddick | 776 cc1469-1471 (Link to this contribution)

I am quite surprised that that argument is being put forward. The noble Lord will know that in se...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 776 c1471 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

219B: After Clause 143, insert the following ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 776 cc1471-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move this amendment tabled in the names of my noble friends Lord Paddick, Lad...

Viscount Hailsham | 776 c1473 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be very brief. I find myself in agreement with much that has been said this even...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1474 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Marks, for raising the important issue of the protection o...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1474 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister be clear from the Dispatch Box as to whether she has announced the review?

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1474 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have carefully considered the concerns that have been raised about the provision and...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 776 cc1474-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord ought to be cross-examining himself because he has just secured a conces...

Baroness Cox | 776 c1475 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Cox

219C: After Clause 143, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Cox | 776 cc1475-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 219C in my name and those of the noble Baronesses, Lady Buscom...

Baroness Buscombe | 776 cc1476-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of the noble Baroness, Lady Cox, and begin by paying tribute to her ...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 776 cc1478-1480 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome this amendment and congratulate my noble friend Lady Cox both on her persiste...

Baroness Deech | 776 c1480 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not put my name to this amendment because there were enough people already, but I...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1480-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened carefully to the arguments made by the noble Baronesses, Lady Cox and L...

Baroness Cox | 776 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate and those who...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

219D: After Clause 144, insert the following new C...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 cc1483-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 219D, in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Rosser, would be an importa...

Baroness Hamwee | 776 c1484 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, no one would suggest that the issues to which the noble Lord has referred are not hugel...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1484-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, for bringing this forward and drawi...

Baroness Hamwee | 776 c1485 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to add to what I said before, I think that there is a very important role for the Home ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1485 (Link to this contribution)

It might please the noble Baroness to know that I have become the Minister for data and therefore...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1486 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the Minister said, understanding the overall scale, complexity and prevalence of the...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 cc1486-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

220: After Clause 145, insert the following new Cl...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1487 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, young people aged 16 and 17 are still children although they are legally able to consen...

Baroness Hamwee | 776 c1487 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can sum up my comments really as, “as above”. The points I made on the previous amend...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1487-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 220 would create a new offence of abduction of a vulnerable child aged 16 or ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1489 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that helpful and detailed response. These are serious matters,...

Baroness Brinton | 776 cc1490-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, 11 years ago, my life, and the lives of a number of my colleagues, friends and supporte...

Lord Rosser | 776 cc1492-4 (Link to this contribution)

I will be very brief, not only because of the lateness of the hour but because the noble Baroness...

Baroness Hamwee | 776 c1494 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we on these Benches support our noble friend Lady Brinton. I do not want to detain the ...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1494-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, and other noble Lords who have spoken, for ra...

Baroness Brinton | 776 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply, and the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, and my noble friend Lady Ham...

Baroness Brinton | 776 c1495 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Brinton

228A: After Clause 145, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Brinton | 776 cc1495-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 228A and 228B would introduce ethnic monitoring into the youth criminal just...

Lord Alton of Liverpool | 776 cc1496-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my support to the powerful arguments that have been put before the Committee toda...

Baroness Whitaker | 776 cc1498-1500 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my support to the amendment from the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, to which my no...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 776 c1500 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly in support of Amendments 228A and 228B in the name of my noble fri...

Earl Attlee | 776 c1500 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have sympathy for the noble Baroness’s amendment regarding collection of ethnic minor...

Lord Rosser | 776 cc1500-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will add a few brief comments to what has been said, without seeking to repeat the ar...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1502-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, for raising the issue, and all noble Lords who...

Baroness Brinton | 776 c1503 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all those who have contributed to this debate on this very important issue, including the...

Lord Wigley | 776 cc1503-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wigley

228C: After Clause 145, insert the following new Clause—

“...

Lord Wigley | 776 cc1504-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 228C stands in my name and those of the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, and the no...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 776 c1505 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the noble Lord, Lord Wigley. I was sent the same briefing as him, so ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 776 cc1505-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it certainly seems extraordinary that there is no policy for legislation determining wh...

Baroness Cohen of Pimlico | 776 cc1506-7 (Link to this contribution)

I too support the amendment. M, as referred to in my noble friend’s speech, is a family connectio...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1507 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 228C in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Wigley and Lord Ponsonby, and the ...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1507-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, explained, this amendment seeks to grant victims or wit...

Lord Wigley | 776 c1509 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened carefully to the Minister’s response but I find her interpretation very...

Lord Wigley | 776 c1509 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wigley

228D: After Clause 145, insert the following new Clause—

“...

Lord Wigley | 776 cc1509-1511 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 228D stands in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby. This amendm...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 776 c1511 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to add a few words of support for this amendment. Four years ago I was fully in ...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 776 cc1511-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support this amendment, to which I have put my name.

As I mentioned in an ...

Baroness Brinton | 776 c1512 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one of the major concerns is that stalking is not used as a charge often enough. It is ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1512-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government recognise and agree with the noble Lord’s desire to see the unduly lenie...

Lord Wigley | 776 c1513 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that response and the recognition that there is a nee...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1513 (Link to this contribution)

I was just going to ask whether I could confirm that in writing, because I would not want to give...

Lord Wigley | 776 c1513 (Link to this contribution)

That is fair enough. I accept that. I do not expect any Minister necessarily to carry all the det...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 776 cc1513-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff

228F: After Clause 145, insert the following new...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 776 cc1514-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister and her officials for their time and help over the issue of this a...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1516 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, for this amendment. The Government ar...

Lord Wigley | 776 cc1516-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wigley

230: After Clause 146, insert the following new Clause—

“D...

Lord Wigley | 776 cc1517-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak also to Amendments 231 and 231A in this group; all are also in the names o...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 776 cc1518-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, who has made almost all the points I was...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1519-1521 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, for his explanation of these amendments, ...

Lord Wigley | 776 c1521 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, for his support. I know the interest th...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1521 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen

231B: Clause 149, page 169, line 38, leave out “...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1521 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these are technical and consequential amendments to the Extent clause and I beg to move...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1521-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen

232: Clause 149, page 170, line 3, leave out par...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1522 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

237: Clause 149, page 171, line 8, at end inse...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1522 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

239A: Clause 150, page 171, line 16, at end in...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1522 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

241: Clause 150, page 171, line 29, at end ins...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1523-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

245: In the Title, line 21, after “firearms” i...

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