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Armed Forces Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 27 April 2016, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe.
Lords report stage. New clauses (Lords amendments 1, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13) debated separately and withdrawn. Amendments 3 and 4 agreed to. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 120).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

771 cc1181-1230 

Session

2015-16

Department

Ministry of Defence

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Armed Forces Bill 2015-16. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 12 January 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Armed Forces Bill 2015-16. As amended on Report.
Wednesday, 27 April 2016
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 771 c1182 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Thomas of Gresford

1: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause—<...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 771 cc1182-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the issue raised by Amendments 1 and 2 is whether a serving member of the Armed Forces ...


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Lord Hope of Craighead | 771 cc1185-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall say something about the Scottish system of justice. If one is talking about con...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 771 cc1186-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I worked out before this evening that Amendments 1 and 2 were, in fact, Amendment 3 in ...

Earl Attlee | 771 c1187 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the House that I am still a commissioned officer in the reserves, although I a...

Lord West of Spithead | 771 c1187 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am still on the active list. I have been for 50 years now, and will remain on it unti...

Earl Howe | 771 cc1188-1191 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as so often, noble Lords have taken a great interest in the operation of the courts mar...

Lord Empey | 771 c1190 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, he has indicated that the Government are going to conduct a review...

Earl Howe | 771 c1192 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord makes a very important point. This is certainly one of the factors that will need ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 771 cc1192-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on that point, I gave a whole series of instances in Committee, which I have not repeat...

Earl Howe | 771 c1193 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

3: Clause 10, page 11, line 16, at end insert “(but this is subjec...

Earl Howe | 771 cc1193-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendment 4 in my name. These amendments deal with a matter raise...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 771 c1194 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, discharging our responsibility as the Opposition, I have carefully read the Minister’s ...

Earl Howe | 771 c1195 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

4: Clause 11, page 12, line 23, at end insert “(but this is subjec...

Lord Touhig | 771 c1195 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Touhig

5: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—

“Remo...

Lord Touhig | 771 cc1195-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment would remove a commanding officer’s discretion to investigate allegation...

Baroness Jolly | 771 c1197 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in Committee I was happy to support the noble Lords on what is now Amendment 5 and the ...

Lord West of Spithead | 771 c1197 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support both these amendments. I have huge admiration for the noble Viscount, Lord Sl...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 771 c1197 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been listening with great interest to this debate and been persuaded by what has...

Earl Attlee | 771 cc1198-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, just mentioned Deepcut. I urge anyone who has the slight...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 771 cc1199-1200 (Link to this contribution)

Schedule 2 to the Armed Forces Act 2006 lists the offences that a commanding officer is required ...

Earl Howe | 771 cc1200-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fully understand the concerns that lie behind these amendments but I hope that my res...

Lord Touhig | 771 c1202 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a short but very good debate, with some very well-founded comments. The com...

Lord Judd | 771 c1202 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Judd

7: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—

“Enlist...

Lord Judd | 771 cc1202-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at the outset I declare an interest: I had a short service commission in the RAF and la...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 771 cc1206-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should perhaps declare an interest, as I have quite recently acquired two grandchildr...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 771 cc1207-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for speaking at this late stage of the proceedings on the Bill but I have b...

Baroness Jolly | 771 c1208 (Link to this contribution)

I support the amendments. As the noble Baroness has just said, what is there not to like?

C...

Earl Attlee | 771 cc1208-9 (Link to this contribution)

I support the recruitment of people under the age of 18 into the Armed Forces. It provides a fabu...

Lord West of Spithead | 771 c1209 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a certain sympathy for the amendment of my noble friend Lord Judd but I feel tha...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 771 cc1209-1210 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 7 and 8. Whether we like it or not, this is a fundamental d...

Earl Howe | 771 cc1210-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the continued interest of the noble Lord, Lord Judd, in the recruitment of un...

Lord Judd | 771 cc1213-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, of course I thank the Minister for his very full reply. I listened to his admonishments...

Earl Attlee | 771 c1214 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not intimately familiar with the recruiting process for minors but my recollection...

Lord Judd | 771 cc1214-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my point is that the Minister supported his particular concern by stressing that it was...

Lord Touhig | 771 c1215 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Touhig

9: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—

“Spec...

Lord Touhig | 771 cc1215-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 9 and 10, covering the special provisions for sufferers of mental health con...

Baroness Jolly | 771 cc1216-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these two amendments had a slightly chequered path to the Marshalled List. The noble Lo...

Earl Attlee | 771 c1217 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not have any strong views on the merits of Amendments 9 and 10. However, I am extr...

Earl Howe | 771 cc1217-1220 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, both these amendments seek to address provision for the care and support of members of ...

Lord Touhig | 771 cc1219-1221 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a short but very useful debate and I thank the Minister for his response....

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 771 c1221 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Thomas of Gresford

11: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 771 cc1221-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the courts of this country have long had extra-territorial jurisdiction to try in this ...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 771 c1222 (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord, Lord Thomas, clarify one thing? I am a member of the Secondary Legislation S...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 771 c1222 (Link to this contribution)

When British service personnel operate abroad and are stationed abroad, there is an agreement mad...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 771 c1222 (Link to this contribution)

Amendments 11 and 12 were Amendments 15 and 16 in Committee. I have reread the debate and do not ...

Earl Attlee | 771 c1222 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am relaxed about these amendments but I expect that my noble friend the Minister will...

771 c1222 (Link to this contribution)

We are not in Committee.

Earl Attlee | 771 c1222 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has not spoken yet. To tease the noble Lord slightly, with the benefit of hindsight,...

Earl Howe | 771 cc1223-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the opportunity to restate the Government’s position on the further changes t...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 771 c1225 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for his detailed and considered reply, and indeed fo...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 771 c1226 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Smith of Newnham

13: After Clause 14, insert the following new Clau...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 771 cc1226-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in Grand Committee I welcomed a probing amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Hodgso...

Earl Attlee | 771 c1227 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with these issues, it is always difficult to measure casualties. That is not necessaril...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 771 cc1227-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, kindly said, I tabled a similar, rather less focused...

Lord Touhig | 771 cc1228-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be very brief. When we considered an amendment very similar to this in Committee...

Earl Howe | 771 cc1229-1230 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by offering my apologies to the noble Baroness, Lady Smith of Newnham. If I hav...

Earl Attlee | 771 c1230 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, he said that we have not caused any civilian casualties in Iraq. I...

Earl Howe | 771 c1230 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is right. I am referring to Operation Shader.

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 771 c1230 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for his very thorough response, and in particular fo...

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