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Welfare Reform and Work Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 7 December 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Freud.
Lords committee stage first day. Clause 12 agreed to. Clause 4 under consideration. Part 3 of 3.

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Reference

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2015-16

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Welfare Reform and Work Bill 2015-16. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 28 October 2015
Bills
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirteenth report.
Wednesday, 18 November 2015
Parliamentary committees
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Welfare Reform and Work Bill
Monday, 7 December 2015
Parliamentary proceedings
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Deposited Paper DEP2015-1008
Tuesday, 22 December 2015
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Sherlock | 767 c1398 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Sherlock

11: Clause 12, page 13, line 23, at end insert—

“( )...

Baroness Sherlock | 767 cc1398-1400 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise—albeit a little slowly—to move Amendment 11 in my name and that of my noble frie...


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Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 767 cc1400-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend, who made a very powerful case. The joint briefing from the c...

Lord Freud | 767 cc1401-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock, and the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, for bringing forwar...

Baroness Sherlock | 767 c1402 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord on being able to cost one of tonight’s amendments. I find...

Lord Freud | 767 c1402 (Link to this contribution)

No, that is exactly what I meant.

Baroness Sherlock | 767 c1402 (Link to this contribution)

At least my hearing is better than my understanding. I find that a profoundly disappointing respo...

Bishop of Portsmouth | 767 cc1402-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Lord Bishop of Portsmouth

21: After Clause 12, insert the following new ...

Bishop of Portsmouth | 767 cc1403-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I tabled Amendment 21 to highlight the impact of this measure on different faith commun...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 767 cc1404-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking in support of this amendment, I will pick up what the right reverend Prelat...

Baroness Sherlock | 767 cc1405-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support Amendment 21 in the name of the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of ...

Earl of Listowel | 767 c1407 (Link to this contribution)

Briefly, my Lords, I welcome the introduction by the previous Government of the family test. It w...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 767 c1407 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister help me? I was just checking, and as far as I can see from handbooks, we continu...

Lord Freud | 767 cc1407-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Portsmouth and the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, fo...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 767 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to intervene, but that is no answer, my Lords. I asked a very clear, factual question....

Lord Freud | 767 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, projections on the HBAI are difficult, and everyone gets them wrong because they are d...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 767 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

I am very sorry to intervene again. As I said, the Home Office, which is not the author of the or...

Lord Freud | 767 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, the documentation that we have published is the documentation that we need to publish ...

Baroness Sherlock | 767 cc1408-9 (Link to this contribution)

I do not presume to know any more than others about this subject—no one knows more than my noble ...

Lord Freud | 767 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

This amendment is asking us to do an analysis over the next six months. In practice, that is what...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 767 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

I want to come back at the Minister. I was not trying to make a cheap jibe but, unless I am misre...

Lord Freud | 767 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness has a long memory. Polygamous marriages were recognised in JSA, income support...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 767 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

Except that financial support will, presumably, continue to be given to the other women who are i...

Lord Freud | 767 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

No. If there is a third person in that household they would be treated as a single person.

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 767 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

The point I am making is that they may be treated as a single person but they are getting financi...

Lord Freud | 767 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

This is really becoming arcane. We have said that we do not recognise polygamous marriage in univ...

Bishop of Portsmouth | 767 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

Can I make what I hope is not an arcane point? I invite the Minister, in responding to my amendme...

Lord Freud | 767 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

No, I have not; the right reverend Prelate is correct. In this policy we have looked through that...

Bishop of Portsmouth | 767 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s response, but I think he will understand that I am dis...

Lord Ramsbotham | 767 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ramsbotham

22: Clause 4, page 4, line 32, at end insert—

“( ) the...

Lord Ramsbotham | 767 cc1410-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to the two amendments in my name, I regret that I was unable to raise at Se...

Baroness Manzoor | 767 cc1414-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 22, 23, 27, 29, 30 and 34. Given that it is quite late, I w...

Earl of Listowel | 767 cc1415-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to Amendment 22, moved by my noble friend Lord Ramsbotham and to which my name is at...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 767 c1417 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I crave three minutes to support the spirit of the amendments in this group, which reco...

Baroness Meacher | 767 cc1419-1420 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak very briefly to Amendment 34, tabled so comprehensively by my noble friend...

Baroness Hollins | 767 cc1420-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of my noble friend’s Amendment 34 and focus on the impact of benefit...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 767 cc1421-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments is largely focused on the non-income issues and seeks to add t...

Lord Freud | 767 cc1423-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, by virtue of Clause 4 the Government are committing themselves to reporting annually on...

Baroness Manzoor | 767 c1424 (Link to this contribution)

Just on that point, I have heard this evening that various departments do their own thing, but co...

Lord Freud | 767 cc1425-6 (Link to this contribution)

That is a good point but, in essence, if you are not achieving the target in the earlier stages, ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 767 c1426 (Link to this contribution)

I have a couple of points, the first on problem debt. Will the Government also be assessing the i...

Lord Freud | 767 c1426 (Link to this contribution)

There have been studies showing the numbers who are addicted to one or the other. I remember prod...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 767 c1426 (Link to this contribution)

I am still a little unclear on one fairly key point. When responding to the consultation on the m...

Lord Freud | 767 cc1426-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that the Government would do much different from what they are doing. They have a s...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 767 c1427 (Link to this contribution)

Could we perhaps have one more brief run-through of the issue of income? The Minister says that t...

Lord Freud | 767 c1427 (Link to this contribution)

No. Every year I stand here because there is a forecast that says that child poverty is going up,...

Earl of Listowel | 767 cc1427-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is late so I will ask just two brief questions. I thank the Minister for his respons...

Lord Freud | 767 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, we will be putting out the life-chances strategy in time. The interministerial meets e...

Earl of Listowel | 767 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry, but I am asking about a homelessness strategy, dealing with the particular issue of housin...

Lord Freud | 767 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Earl talking about the interministerial meeting, which deals with those issues? Yes,...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 767 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister talked about working with local authorities on child poverty, which obviously is wel...

Lord Freud | 767 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

It is the same answer that I have just given: we want local authorities to focus their time on ac...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 767 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

But surely the strategy could be a strategy to get at root causes. The Child Poverty Act does not...

Lord Freud | 767 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

What we are doing is working with local authorities to support them in getting at the root causes...

Earl of Listowel | 767 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

While I am grateful to the Minister for that information about the interdepartmental group and ho...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 767 c1429 (Link to this contribution)

I will follow up on the point about local authorities that my noble friend Lady Lister raised. Th...

Lord Freud | 767 c1429 (Link to this contribution)

As noble Lords will be aware, the Government’s emphasis is to put authority into the hands of loc...

Lord Ramsbotham | 767 c1429 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this group of amendments. I also thank ...

Lord Freud | 767 c1429 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord very much, but I do not want to let the noble Lord leave the Chamber tonig...

Lord Ramsbotham | 767 cc1429-1430 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for that explanation. He knows perfectly well that on previous oc...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 767 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 24. I call the noble Baroness, Lady Lister.

Baroness Sherlock | 767 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understood that it had been agreed between the usual channels that this was the point...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 767 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

I do apologise, but I came into the Chamber expecting that we would be going on to the next group...

Baroness Sherlock | 767 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that that is deeply unfair. I am well aware of the discussions that were held i...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 767 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, I suggest that the Committee adjourn.

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