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Cities and Local Government Devolution Bill [HL]

Lords committee stage second day. Clause 7 agreed to. Schedule 3 agreed to. (Part 2 of 2).

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762 cc1665-1687 

Session

2015-16

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Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber
Cities and Local Government Devolution Bill (HL) 2015-16
Thursday, 28 May 2015
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee first report.
Wednesday, 17 June 2015
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Cities and Local Government Devolution Bill [HL]
Wednesday, 24 June 2015
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Bradley | 762 c1666 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bradley

36D: After Clause 6, insert the following new Clause—

“Tr...

Lord Bradley | 762 cc1666-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 36D, I shall also speak to Amendment 36E. Both amendments are in th...


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Lord Warner | 762 cc1668-1671 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendments, which provide us for the first time with an opp...

Lord Shipley | 762 c1669 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these are very important issues. I am grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Bradley and Lor...

Lord Beecham | 762 c1669 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, although my political interest in social services goes back more than 40 years to the d...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 762 c1669 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened with enormous interest to my noble friends Lord Bradley and Lord Warner, and...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 cc1672-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as noble Lords have said, Amendments 36D and 36E make specific provision for the transf...

Lord Bradley | 762 c1673 (Link to this contribution)

I have a question on that point, so as to be absolutely clear. The Minister said that any of thos...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 cc1673-4 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, my Lords, I am. They would be done by order, and any orders will be scrutinised through the ...

Lord Warner | 762 c1674 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister’s flow, but I am becoming extremely confused. Twice in her r...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1674 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Greater Manchester would work with clinical commissioning groups et cetera, but would n...

Lord Warner | 762 c1674 (Link to this contribution)

That was not my question. Perhaps I could explain to the Minister what it is. The clinical commis...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1675 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may clarify what exactly is being devolved. Greater Manchester will have the ...

Lord Warner | 762 c1675 (Link to this contribution)

So the result is the Secretary of State reserving unto himself all the authority to overrule a lo...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1675 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not saying that the Secretary of State would overrule them for overruling’s sake,...

Lord Warner | 762 c1675 (Link to this contribution)

I will read Hansard and come back on Monday, because this issue seems to me an Exocet under some ...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 762 c1675 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, surely devolution means giving power to the local level; it does not mean doing that—as...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1675 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, my Lords, that is absolutely the case, but we have talked all along in this Committee about ...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 762 c1675 (Link to this contribution)

It is not a question of whether they have made a mistake or done something wrong, but of local ch...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1675 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I am not being clear enough. What I meant by bad decision is a decision that is...

Lord Warner | 762 c1676 (Link to this contribution)

May I suggest to the Minister that we return to this on Monday afternoon because I do not think s...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1676 (Link to this contribution)

I know that we will return to it, and I look forward to that.

The noble Lord, Lord Warner, ...

Lord Beecham | 762 c1676 (Link to this contribution)

The scrutiny committee of the local authority is not the same as a health and well-being board. I...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1676 (Link to this contribution)

I remember the health scrutiny committees in the context of AGMA and the combined authority. I am...

Lord Bradley | 762 c1676 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for the responses she has been able to make, and I am sure she will...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 762 cc1676-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

36G: After Clause 6, insert the following new Clause—...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 762 c1677 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief with this amendment because I anticipate that the Minister’s response w...

Baroness Janke | 762 c1677 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I certainly support the amendment. Given that the combined authorities will cover quite...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1678 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, will obviously not be surprised to hear me say that what...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 762 c1678 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply and the noble Baroness, Lady Janke, for her support on this is...

Lord Beecham | 762 c1678 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

36H: Schedule 3, page 22, line 15, after “taken,” insert “or un...

Lord Beecham | 762 c1679 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group relate to the overview and scrutiny committees of the comb...

Lord Shipley | 762 cc1679-1680 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have tabled Amendments 41 and 42. I will not add to what the noble Lord, Lord Beecha...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 cc1680-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the issue of effective scrutiny has come up a lot during the course of the Bill. As I s...

Lord Beecham | 762 c1681 (Link to this contribution)

I take it from that that the Minister is offering discussions on all these amendments and not rul...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1681 (Link to this contribution)

I have given my view on certain amendments and certainly where I see there is scope in others.

Lord Beecham | 762 c1681 (Link to this contribution)

That is welcome, and I am certainly prepared to withdraw my amendment. I have to say that I am no...

Lord Shipley | 762 c1681 (Link to this contribution)

You could actually have a minimum threshold of, say, 5% of the vote, which would remove some of t...

Lord Beecham | 762 c1681 (Link to this contribution)

It would not, because 5% of the vote across an area may produce absolutely no councillors elected...

Lord Beecham | 762 cc1681-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

37A: Schedule 3, page 22, line 22, at end insert—

“(d) to...

Lord Beecham | 762 c1682 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 37A is ultimately of some importance. It seeks to establish an audit committe...

Lord Shipley | 762 cc1682-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in broad terms I very strongly support Amendment 37A. I am very glad that the noble Lor...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1683 (Link to this contribution)

I thank both noble Lords who spoke to these amendments and will say pretty much what I said in re...

Lord Beecham | 762 c1683 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted with the Minister’s usual co-operative stance. I am happy to accept her acceptance...

Earl of Lytton | 762 c1684 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Lytton

39A: Schedule 3, page 23, line 31, after “persons” insert...

Earl of Lytton | 762 cc1684-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to this group of amendments standing in my name, my intention is to ensure ...

Lord Beecham | 762 c1686 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I pay tribute to the work of parish and town councils and to their national organisatio...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 cc1686-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say at the outset that we value very greatly the work that parish councils do up and ...

Earl of Lytton | 762 c1687 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for that. I would certainly like to take her up on h...

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