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Immigration Bill

Lords committee stage fifth day. Clauses 39 to 61 agreed to. Schedules 4 to 8 agreed to.

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Reference

753 cc13-72 

Session

2013-14

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Home Office

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Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber
Legislative scrutiny: Immigration Bill. Human Rights Joint Committee eighth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 11 December 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons
Immigration Bill 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 30 January 2014
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twenty-second report.
Wednesday, 12 February 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Legislative scrutiny: Immigration Bill (second report): Human Rights Joint Committee twelfth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 26 February 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons

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Immigration Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) sixth report.
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Deposited Paper DEP2014-0467
Thursday, 20 March 2014
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Deposited Paper DEP2014-0489
Monday, 17 March 2014
Deposited papers
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Deposited Paper DEP2014-0495
Tuesday, 25 March 2014
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Rosser | 753 cc13-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, immigration is a welcome and important part of British life. Our country’s success over...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c16 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have given notice of my intention to oppose the question that Clause 40 stand part of...


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Lord Avebury | 753 cc16-7 (Link to this contribution)

I should like to ask a couple of questions about Clause 40. The Immigration Minister’s faux pas o...

Earl of Listowel | 753 c17 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly raise a concern that came to my attention when I was a member of Sub-Com...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 cc18-20 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Earl for ending this part of the debate by giving me a chance to say ...

Lord Rosser | 753 c19 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply and all other noble Lords who contributed to this de...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c19 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to give matters proper consideration, it is unlikely that we will return to these matte...

Lord Rosser | 753 c21 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that response, although I am a bit disappointed that, apparently, nothin...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c21 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to respond immediately to that request. As noble Lords will know, the triennial review...

Lord Rosser | 753 cc21-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that response. I will leave the matter in that context. Obviously, I wil...

Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 753 c22 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Roberts of Llandudno

71: After Clause 40, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 753 cc22-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 72 first, as that will explain why Amendment 71 is also neces...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 753 cc23-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Roberts, for tabling these amendments. I was pleased to ad...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 753 cc27-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name, too, is attached to this amendment, and I very strongly support what my noble ...

Earl of Sandwich | 753 c28 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, pay tribute to the noble Lord, Lord Roberts, for bringing this amendment back a...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 753 c29 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in this debate there seem to be two conflicting policy desiderata in play. Judging by t...

Lord Dubs | 753 c29 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as has been said, this issue has been with us for a long time. I still find it hard to ...

Lord Hylton | 753 c29 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support both amendments and congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Roberts, on tabling the...

Earl Attlee | 753 cc29-30 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Earl, Lord Sandwich, pointed out, this is not a new issue. I am fairly sur...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 753 c30 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the Minister is not suggesting that the survivors of torture who were interviewed in the s...

Earl Attlee | 753 c30 (Link to this contribution)

I did accept, in the last words I said, that some cases from certain countries can take a long ti...

Lord Avebury | 753 c30 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, does my noble friend not recognise that there are probably hundreds of thousands of fai...

Earl Attlee | 753 c30 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, they are failed asylum seekers, and it is their choice to stay in the United Kingdom.

Lord Avebury | 753 c31 (Link to this contribution)

No, that is not true. I am sorry, my Lords. I was talking about the people who cannot return to t...

Earl Attlee | 753 cc31-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I accept that there are some people in the class that my noble friend describes.

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Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 753 c32 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, will he respond directly to the suggestion made by the noble Lord,...

Earl Attlee | 753 c32 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, no. The purpose of the current policy is to deter economic migration, because people wo...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 753 c32 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister answer my question about the assurance given to Julian Huppert by the Minister ...

Earl Attlee | 753 c32 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness may make a valid point about the supermarket and the corner shop, but we are t...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c32 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may add markets to the mix of supermarkets, corner shops and all the rest of ...

Earl Attlee | 753 c32 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness makes an extremely important point. I am well aware of it, which is why asylum...

Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 753 cc32-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the noble Earl, Lord Attlee, of an answer he gave me some months ago when he s...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c33 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

72A: Clause 41, page 32, line 34, at end insert “unless that...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 cc33-4 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak also to Amendments 72B to 72G. The amendments take us to the clauses on driving lice...

Lord Avebury | 753 cc34-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clauses 41 and 42 prevent a person who is not lawfully resident in the UK from applying...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c35 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have just a couple of questions on this group. The noble Earl may recall that at Seco...

Earl Attlee | 753 cc35-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I might say a few words about Clause 41. The ability to drive in the UK is an i...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c37 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that helpful explanation. Does this not then fall into the category of u...

Earl Attlee | 753 c37 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the facts as described by the noble Baroness. She will of course be aware of the Mot...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c37 (Link to this contribution)

Can the noble Lord assure me that the Government have been in contact with the Motor Insurers’ Bu...

Earl Attlee | 753 c37 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the situation is no different from that of a young tearaway motorist who loses their li...

Lord Avebury | 753 c37 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can the Minister tell your Lordships how many asylum seekers who failed their appeals b...

Earl Attlee | 753 c37 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord is asking me a detailed question about failed asylum seekers who cannot ...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c37 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the first of my amendments the noble Earl said that he could not be any more helpful...

Earl Attlee | 753 c38 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am terrified to think of what I might have done.

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c38 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister might have added to the list of items for Report. I will look at what he has said. F...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c38 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

73A: Schedule 7, page 94, line 38, at end insert “(including...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 cc38-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a short amendment, which asks a short question. Schedule 7 deals with immigrati...

Earl Attlee | 753 c39 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that on this occasion I can delight my noble friend Lady Hamwee on this amendmen...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c39 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend. When I see the statutory instrument, I may be delight...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c40 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Smith of Basildon

74: Clause 60, page 47, line 40, at end insert “,...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 cc40-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 60, on deprivation of citizenship, is very important and far-reaching. There are...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 753 cc45-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend mentioned that I raised this issue at Second Reading with great concern...

Lord Pannick | 753 cc47-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to several of the amendments in this group and have also indicated...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 753 cc48-52 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 76A in my name is, like Amendments 75 to 78 to which I have added my name, de...

Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 753 cc52-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will refer to Amendments 75 to 78 from the noble Lord, Lord Lester. They touch upon i...

Lord Macdonald of River Glaven | 753 c53 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if Clause 60 operates in accordance with the Government’s intentions, it is bound to in...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 753 cc53-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, have a fundamental problem with this clause. It has been suggested that it was ...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c55 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this afternoon’s speeches have reassured me that I was not misreading the clause when I...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c55 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very thorough debate on a clause which, as the noble Lord said, we owe ...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 753 c55 (Link to this contribution)

I know it is early in the Minister’s answer, but can I be clear: is he saying that this will not ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 cc55-6 (Link to this contribution)

It will not apply to people under 18. Such people are not able to apply for naturalisation; they ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 753 c56 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister may be about to come to this point, in which case I apologise. However, I referred t...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 cc56-7 (Link to this contribution)

I would say that the Government’s position is that we have. The noble and learned Lord, Lord Brow...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 753 c57 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the Minister, but he seems to be moving on from the question of proportio...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 cc57-8 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness will have to allow me to write to her on that issue. The Government have respo...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c58 (Link to this contribution)

I did not intend to intervene until the noble Lord had spoken, but there is a lack of clarity in ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c58 (Link to this contribution)

I must say that nothing I have said implies that there may not be conditions. They are frequently...

Lord Pannick | 753 c58 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister give the House an assurance that the Home Secretary will not deliberately wait u...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 cc59-60 (Link to this contribution)

It is up to the Home Secretary to determine when she exercises powers in the country’s best inter...

Lord Pannick | 753 c60 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down, perhaps I could ask a question. He gave a very comprehensive reply...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c60 (Link to this contribution)

That was of course a consideration in the discussions that led to the tabling of this clause. I t...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 753 c61 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to ask the Minister yet another question. However, I asked a very specific question wh...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c61 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness is right. I was getting muddled between the two responses. The second report h...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c61 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for coming back to me on that point, but there are numerous other...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c61 (Link to this contribution)

On that first question, perhaps I could ask what the noble Baroness means by “two categories” of ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c61 (Link to this contribution)

In most countries, if someone is a citizen then they are a citizen. If someone is a natural born ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c62 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the categorisation is about naturalised British citizens and not about whether they are st...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c62 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the noble Lord is missing the point. My understanding was that if someone was a natu...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c62 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that there is a disconnect in our train of thoughts on this. I will write to the nobl...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c62 (Link to this contribution)

I think that it does and I will look to the lawyers on this issue. I also look forward to receivi...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 cc62-3 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Baroness had advised me in advance of the things she was uncertain of, I would have ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c63 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord always seeks to be helpful. My point is a broader one of scrutiny and the lack of ...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c64 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

79A: After Clause 60, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c64 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has just told the House his view on the importance of the scrutiny of legi...

Lord Pannick | 753 cc64-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 79A on the role of the independent reviewer and I agr...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 753 c65 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to support these amendments. I think that I have already said more than en...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c65 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my comments are equally brief. I have added my name to one of the amendments, and I thi...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 cc65-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after the passion of the previous group of amendments, I find this a little easier to r...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c66 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not have in mind the Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration but t...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c67 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

79E: Schedule 8, page 100, line 11, leave out from “(1)” to ...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c67 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Schedule 8 provides for designated persons as well as immigration officers to undertake...

Lord Avebury | 753 c68 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment has the effect of empowering the official examining a person embarking i...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 cc68-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have just a couple of queries relating to Schedule 8 on “Embarkation checks”. This ob...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 cc69-70 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an opportunity to discuss this development, which forms part of the strategy an...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c70 (Link to this contribution)

I think that that is the point I was making. One of the issues raised by air transport operators ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c70 (Link to this contribution)

Not at all. These are not customer service staff but designated persons who will have the authori...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 753 c70 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, will my noble friend comment as to whether this power will allow checks which might be ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c70 (Link to this contribution)

All I can is that if my noble friend is flying to Dusseldorf, she can expect to have her passport...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 753 c70 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I seek clarification on this. Does that mean that those airlines already complian...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c70 (Link to this contribution)

We are working with the airlines to find ways in which the existing advance passenger information...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 753 c71 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure it would be helpful to understand this in a bit more detail because now you p...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 753 c71 (Link to this contribution)

The logistics are a matter for detailed planning with the airlines. What the Bill does—what this ...

Baroness Hamwee | 753 c72 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this debate has gone well beyond my amendment. I am not entirely sure that I had an ans...

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