Pensions Bill
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Wednesday, 20 November 2013
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Thursday, 12 December 2013
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Proceeding contributions
Good afternoon, my Lords. If there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committ...
Moved by
Baroness Sherlock
62D: Clause 37, page 19, line 22, at end insert—
“(5...
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My Lords, Clause 37 is headed: “Automatic enrolment: powers to create general exceptions”. I am t...
My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment. Auto-enrolment has, initially, clearly been a su...
My Lords, it is now two years since the rollout of automatic enrolment began and we are seeing ho...
Nobody disagrees that there could be some limited and carefully targeted exclusions in particular...
I have a question to add to that. I am grateful for the Minister’s explanation as to why the Gove...
I will come to the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, in the first instance. We have said that there are ...
I do not want to labour this for too long but it is important that it is clear. As regards the ra...
The short answer is that it is not easy. As the noble Lord will well know, given his experience a...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response, but confess that I am still a little uncertain ...
Moved by
Lord Bates
62E: After Clause 37, insert the following new Clause—
“Alt...
My Lords, this introduces alternative quality requirements for defined benefits schemes being use...
My Lords, these amendments allow for two simpler alternative tests for a scheme to demonstrate th...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his explanation of these amendments. I have two questions. He ...
I certainly give the noble Baroness the assurance that she rightly seeks with her second question...
Moved by
Lord Freud
62F: Clause 38, page 19, line 38, leave out subsection (4) and in...
Moved by
Lord Browne of Ladyton
62G: Clause 41, page 21, line 37, at end insert—
<...My Lords, I will also speak to Amendment 62H, which is again in my name and that of my noble frie...
My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 63 and 67 in my name, which are linked. I am glad that some ...
My Lords, I warmly support both these approaches. Although they are contrasting—the noble Lord, L...
I am not used to being interrupted in my perorations, but I was coming to an end. Schedule 17 say...
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Browne and Lord Lawson, for raising these issues...
I just want to say a few words about the culture within the financial services companies and how ...
My Lords, this has been a useful debate with lots of high-quality and thoughtful interventions. I...
Before the Minister moves off that point, I am conscious that if the FT report of Friday 17 Janua...
The noble Lord was a very experienced Minister and a much more senior one than I will ever be.
That was a plea for sympathy.
No sympathy votes here.
The noble Lord will therefore know that our position is that we do not comment on speculation in ...
I am glad to hear that Steve Webb will make a statement in another place on this range of issues....
After making deferential remarks to the noble Lord, Lord Browne, I have to make even more deferen...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply to this short debate and for the answers he has give...
At what point should I contribute to the discussion on this?
It will be possible for the noble Lord to speak briefly on his own amendment, Amendment 63. He ha...
Moved by
Baroness Drake
62GA: Schedule 17, page 94, line 16, at end insert—
“(c...
My Lords, Amendment 62GA is designed to address shortcomings in the governance of pension schemes...
My Lords, I speak to Amendments 67ZB and 67ZC in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Sherloc...
My Lords, ensuring that schemes deliver good value for, and are run in the best interests of, the...
Perhaps I might engage with the Minister on the issue of whether or not larger pension schemes pr...
I thank my noble friend Lord Browne for his supporting contributions in this debate. I thank the ...
Perhaps I can seek some clarification from the noble Baroness on the nature of her question; I ap...
The Minister has got the sentiment of my point. I was looking for firm clarification that the Bil...
The noble Baroness has a high degree of expertise in this area, which is respected on all sides o...
I thank the noble Lord for his offer to write to me on the matter. Maybe having it in writing wil...
We come to Amendment 63. Lord Lawson of Blaby?
Amendment 63
Moved by
Lord Lawson of Blaby
63: After Schedule 17, insert the following new Schedul...
Thank you, Lord Chairman. You advised me that I need to move this amendment, which I am happy to ...
The noble Lord should move the amendment first.
Sorry, I thought I had moved it. I beg to move.
Does nobody wish to speak?
The silence is eloquent and, in the light of it, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Moved by
Lord Whitty
64: Clause 45, page 23, line 37, leave out “sustainable growth” ...
My Lords, in a Bill of extreme complexity, with a large number of amendments that are equally com...
My Lords, as my noble friend Lord Whitty has explained, the purpose of this amendment is to ensur...
My Lords, this amendment relates to the proposed new objective for the Pensions Regulator. The Pe...
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister, at least for his quote from the consultation of the Pens...
Moved by
Lord Bates
64A: After Clause 47, insert the following new Clause—
“Pen...
My Lords, the four amendments I will speak to fall into two groups of two. The first two, Amendme...
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that very helpful explanation of these amendments. He may have...
The answer is that the current provision applies if a scheme is wound up outside the PPF. Schemes...
Moved by
Lord Bates
65: After Clause 47, insert the following new Clause—
“Publ...
My Lords, this group of amendments makes a small change to the Public Service Pensions Act 2013 a...
Moved by
Lord Dubs
65A: After Clause 47, insert the following new Clause—
“Rail...
My Lords, Amendment 65A is concerned with persons who worked for a company called Jarvis, which w...
My Lords, we have discussed protected persons status previously in relation to the statutory over...
My Lords, I am not totally surprised by the answer but, as I understand it, whatever the Minister...
Moved by
Lord Browne of Ladyton
67ZA: After Clause 47, insert the following new Claus...
My Lords, Amendment 67ZA is in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Sherlock. It proposes the...
My Lords, this Government recognise the importance of supporting individuals in making decisions ...
That is very helpful from the Minister but, if he is going to do that, he is going to have to loo...
Those points about alternative income requirement are correct but there are a number of reasons, ...
The Minister may not have understood my point. He was, quite sensibly, making the point—I entirel...
Okay, I have the right answer now: £20,000 is needed for flexible draw-down but not for capped dr...
My Lords, briefly, I listened to the Minister with great interest. I regard the amendment as impo...
I will ask another question associated directly with that. To what extent does the Minister expec...
I am grateful for the interventions of the right reverend Prelate and the noble Baroness. The Mon...
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his response. I am disappointed, although not surpris...
Moved by
Baroness Sherlock
67ZD: After Clause 47, insert the following new Clause—
My Lords, the amendment in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Browne would require the Gove...
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock, for giving me the opportunity to update the ...
My Lords, I was not going to intervene in this debate but I must challenge something the Minister...
I support my noble friend, as that is precisely my recollection too. During a series of meetings ...
These recollections will be there. I take it that it was in the mind of the Government that NEST ...
Does the Minister have any evidence that NEST—its chair, chief executive or board members—wanted ...
I do not have any information to hand on that. However, we have got the point that I was perhaps ...
Will the Minister also accept that volumes are critical to the success of NEST and to its charges...
The noble Baroness makes a important point in relation to this and I would not dissent from it. N...
My Lords, I thank all my noble friends who have contributed to the debate and am grateful to the ...
My Lords, I think confusion may have arisen between the discussions that the previous Labour Gove...
I look forward to the letter and its contents in due course. We were relaying the origins of NEST...
I thank my noble friend for that. First, I am disappointed that the Government decided to go ahea...
Moved by
Lord Bates
67A: Schedule 19, page 99, leave out lines 6 to 10
67B: Sch...
Moved by
Lord Bates
68: Clause 49, page 24, line 32, leave out paragraph (a) and inse...
My Lords, in moving Amendment 68, I will also speak to the other amendments in this group. Govern...
My Lords, if Amendment 68 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 68ZA by reason of pre-emption.
My Lords, I speak to government Amendments 68 and 69, and to Amendment 68ZA, for what that is now...
I am grateful.
Moved by
Lord Bates
69: Clause 49, page 24, line 33, leave out “or 20”
70: Clau...
Moved by
Lord Bates
72: Clause 51, page 25, line 20, leave out subsection (2)
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