Equality (Titles) Bill [HL]

My Lords, it may be that my amendments do not come up to the noble Lord’s standards but I hope th...

Moved by

The Earl of Caithness

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, after first “peerage” ins...

My Lords, with the leave of the House, I will speak also to Amendments 5, 7, 16, 19, 29, 32, 36, ...

My Lords, did my noble friend include Amendment 91, which is mine? I hope that he did not, but I ...

No, my Lords, because I am not my noble friend Lord Trefgarne, so I could not include it and deli...

If we are to do the things that my noble friend Lord Lucas is trying to do, it will mean primary ...

Indeed, my Lords—if the end result is done by an Act of Parliament. Following the logic of my nob...

My Lords, may I just intervene? There is a problem with the course of action proposed by my noble...

I think we have to understand that the Bill as it stands does not have a hope in hell of getting ...

If a Bill were to come forward simply to deal with my noble friend Lord Shrewsbury—or to deal amo...

My Lords, perhaps it might help to bring the Committee to a degree of order if we allow the noble...

I am speaking to it and have a lot more to say. I know it is Friday afternoon and my noble friend...

I have some doubts about the proposal being brought forward by my noble friend. I am anxious, of ...

My Lords, although I am no expert on the hereditary peerage, I entered into a correspondence with...

My Lords, there is a problem with the noble Baroness’s proposition that a hereditary title is pro...

My Lords, I agree with the sentiments of the noble Baroness, Lady Deech. We will come to the main...

My Lords, first, I apologise: I have actually got 16 people for lunch and am meant to be chairing...

My Lords, I am not sure that I am capable of following all the subtleties of those contributions....

I came into this debate believing that a vow of omerta would probably be the best approach, and I...

My Lords, it is valuable to treat this Committee stage as a discussion about titles and the quest...

On a point of order: according to the Crown office—and it should know—it is written in Halsbury’s...

I thank the noble Baroness for that. I recognise her legal expertise in this area. I say to the n...

My intervention is on the Spanish example. They are the only recent Government to have created a ...

My noble friend will remember that Mrs Thatcher, as Prime Minister, created two hereditary peerag...

The Government are committed to equality of treatment before the law, and we have demonstrated th...

My Lords, I think the answer is that this is about English. For the purposes of the Bill, one mig...

Tabled by

The Earl of Caithness

9: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, leave out “hereditary ti...

The question is that Amendment 9 be agreed to.

Can we not debate this amendment?

My understanding is that it has already been debated, but I may be wrong about that.

Perhaps I might help on this. As a result of my two amendments being agreed, Amendment 9, which I...

Perhaps I may take the noble Earl’s implied advice and suggest that, if that be the case, the ame...

Or withdrawn.

I am happy not to move it.

I believe that it has not been moved but it has been debated. I am looking to the clerks for advi...

Moved by

The Earl of Clancarty

10: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, leave out from “title” t...

My Lords, my interpretation of what we are doing with this Bill, or what we are supposed to be do...

My Lords, if the amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 12 by reason of pre-emption.

Moved by

The Earl of Caithness

11: Clause 1, line 2, after “heir” insert “which, in S...

My Lords, in moving the amendment I shall speak also to Amendments 23, 26 and 42, which are not g...

My Lords, I must apologise to the House that I was not able to take part at Second Reading. I was...

My noble friend referred to his time as a business manager in the other place. As I recall, he ca...

I am really very proud of having blocked a lot of particularly senseless Bills which came before ...

My Lords, during the course of our discussion in this Committee stage so far, I have made a numbe...

I entirely agree with the noble Lord, Lord Jopling, when he says that the chances of this Bill ac...

If “living heir” is accepted, does the noble Lord, Lord Richard, accept that it would be irreleva...

Of course I accept that the definition of an heir may be different in England and Scotland. It is...

My Lords, the trouble with the line being taken by the noble Lord, Lord Richard, is that he has n...

My Lords, that is exactly the point. I declared at the beginning that I am no expert on this. The...

My Lords, I have enormous sympathy with the noble Earl, Lord Clancarty, and the simplicity of wha...

My Lords, I reiterate the Government’s support for equality in its broadest sense, and therefore ...

My Lords, if the Minister is proposing a Royal Commission on this matter, that is an admirable pr...

My Lords, to come back to Amendment 11, given what the noble Lord, Lord Richard, said, which is c...

I am heartened by the support that Amendment 10 has had during this debate. I intend to return to...

No.

My Lords, in the circumstances I believe that it is my duty to put the amendment to the voices. T...

Amendment 12 has been pre-empted so it cannot be considered further.

Amendment 13

Moved by

The Earl of Caithness

13: Clause 1, page 1, line 7, at end insert—

“( ...

My Lords, in moving Amendment 13 I will speak to Amendments 24, 51, 55 and 85.

Amendment 13...

My Lords, as a precaution, I thought it might be helpful to refer to the Companion, which indicat...

My Lords, since there is nobody else wishing to speak, I might as well speak to my Amendment 85, ...

My Lords, I will make a brief intervention. As my noble friend Lord Jopling mentioned a little wh...

Moved by

Lord Jopling

14: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Def...

My Lords, when we were legislating earlier in the year to allow the eldest female child of the Cr...

My Lords, some while ago, I was chairman of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority. Lit...

The noble Baroness may recall that I was heavily involved in the 1990 Act following a constituenc...

I am far from an expert in these matters but, as I understand them, these things can be determine...

My Lords, I, too, support my noble friend’s amendment. It would have been very useful to the Lord...

My Lords, in view of the support that the amendment has received, I hope that it will not be oppo...

Moved by

Lord Trefgarne

15: Clause 2, page 1, line 10, leave out “hereditary peerage ...

My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lord Erroll, who has had to do something else, I wish to m...

Moved by

Lord Trefgarne

18: Clause 2, page 1, line 15, leave out “hereditary peerage ...

Moved by

The Earl of Caithness

21: Clause 2, page 1, line 17, leave out sub-paragraph...

My Lords, this sub-paragraph relates to age discrimination and states that a female heir succeedi...

I was going to seek some technical help from the Front Bench on this but clearly my noble friend ...

My Lords, I support the noble Earl, Lord Erroll, on Amendment 2. A number of my amendments are gr...

Amendment 3 should be dealt with separately within the Bill because there are complications aroun...

My Lords, I presume I am right in thinking that we are considering the amendment in the name of t...

My Lords, I merely wish to say that we are in the process of discovering the sheer complexity of ...

My Lords, I am conscious that, as a Private Member’s Bill, this should be kept simple and of defi...

This has been an interesting, short debate. I understand the mood of the House on this, so I beg ...

Moved by

The Earl of Caithness

4: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, after “Scotland,” insert ...

My Lords, we have had a good debate about this. I beg to move.

Moved by

The Earl of Erroll

6: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, leave out “(“hereditary peer...

My Lords, this amendment is consequential on Amendment 2, which will make no sense without it. Th...

My Lords, if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 7 and 8 by reason of pre-empti...

My Lords, it is not quite as simple as the noble Earl has just said, because he has not put his n...

My Lords, I am afraid that this amendment seems to suffer from some of the difficulties that we h...

Is that the question of hybridity? I do not think I am qualified to speak on hybridity, which I s...

My Lords, I will not extend this discussion too long but the problem is if you have a category th...

I succeeded at the age of 16 and was fully entitled to do so but I could not sit in the House of ...

My Lords, I had a similar experience to that of my noble friend Lord Caithness. I was 19 when I s...

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who took part, and I am sorry that the noble Lord, Lor...

My Lords, I am informed that this is not a matter for the Government. It certainly seems that if ...

I am bound to say that some of us in this House have a little experience—somewhat distant experie...

My Lords, I do not want to delay the Bill because it is going in the right direction, but it rais...

My Lords, I am very much in the hands of the House when it comes to whether it wishes to accept a...

Does the noble Earl wish to withdraw the amendment?

Yes, but I want to say to the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, that she hit the nail on the head with ...

Is it your Lordships’ pleasure that this amendment be withdrawn?

No.

Does the noble Lord wish to test the opinion of the House?

My Lords, I invite the noble Baroness the Lord Speaker to put the Question.

The Question is that this amendment be agreed to. As many as are of that opinion say content, the...

Not-content.

Moved by

The Earl of Erroll

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, after first “peerage” insert...

My Lords, that set the cat among the pigeons because I thought it would be best if we took away a...

Moved by

The Earl of Clancarty

3: Clause 1, line 1, after “baronetcy,” insert “or bea...

My Lords, this group of amendments deals with the range or inclusiveness of titles, rights and of...