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Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 4 December 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (sixth day, part one). Clauses 100-120 and Schedule 6 agreed to.

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750 cc242-297 

Session

2013-14

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Committee stage

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New clauses

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House of Lords chamber

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 750 c242 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Smith of Basildon

56MD: Before Clause 100, insert the following new...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 750 cc243-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we support the Government’s clauses on firearms but feel that more needs to be done, wh...


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Earl of Lytton | 750 cc244-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by declaring an interest. I have interests in shooting and I am a firearms and ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 750 cc245-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this seems to be a matter of straightforward common sense. When there is a history eith...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 cc246-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased that we have had this short debate on what is a very important issue. The ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 750 cc247-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would love to have been persuaded by the Minister, because the only reason we brought...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 cc248-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon

56MF: After Clause 101, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 cc249-250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government remain committed to strengthening the system of firearms control where n...

Baroness Hamwee | 750 c250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend the Minister said that an offender would be allowed a couple of days’ g...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 c250 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure my noble friend saw me nodding. That is quite correct.

Lord Rosser | 750 c250 (Link to this contribution)

We certainly support these amendments as they address gaps in the legislation and will enable mor...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 c250 (Link to this contribution)

I believe my noble friend Lord Taylor has already dealt with that issue.

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 750 c250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene very briefly on this to thank the Government for including this clause in t...

Lord Rosser | 750 c251 (Link to this contribution)

I assume this is something the British Transport Police wants. I can hardly imagine that it is so...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c251 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Faulkner, indicated that considerable extra burdens have been created for th...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 750 c251 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock

56N: After Clause 103, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 750 cc251-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 56N would create a new clause in the Bill. I think it is a key amendment. Sin...

Lord Bradshaw | 750 cc253-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what the noble Lord has just said. I was moved to speak to the amendment havi...

Baroness Coussins | 750 cc254-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 56N. It would be particularly helpful and appropriate for workers i...

Lord Condon | 750 c255 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my registered interest in policing. I am sympathetic to the reason why the no...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 750 c256 (Link to this contribution)

I understand what the noble Lord is saying but will he accept that there is a specific offence of...

Lord Condon | 750 c256 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the noble Lord says but I do not find myself in total agreement with his arguments. H...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 750 cc256-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid I do not take the same view as the noble Lord, Lord Condon, and support ver...

Baroness Hamwee | 750 c257 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand, and can picture, some of the incidents that have been described. When I u...

Lord Rosser | 750 cc257-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment we are considering, which was moved so ably by my noble friend Lord Foulk...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 cc259-260 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome this debate. It is very interesting that the speeches we have heard have all ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 750 c260 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the one point on which I totally agree with the Minister is that it has been a useful d...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c260 (Link to this contribution)

May I explain that particular discrepancy? We do not ask of people in their normal employment tha...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 750 c261 (Link to this contribution)

But shopkeepers and others are put in the position where they are not able to get away, as my nob...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c261 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Lord consider an assault on the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, on a train to be les...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 750 c261 (Link to this contribution)

I am not saying that. It would probably be even more heinous if the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, ...

Lord Rosser | 750 c262 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

56NA: After Clause 103, insert the following new Clause—

“...

Lord Rosser | 750 cc262-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 56NA and the proposed new clause seek to stop the high street trade in what a...

Baroness Meacher | 750 cc263-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to Amendment 56NA, I commend the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, and the noble ...

Baroness Hamwee | 750 cc265-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I well understand the concern expressed by the noble Lord, Lord Rosser. For instance, I...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 750 cc266-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the problems of new psychoactive substances are real and perilous. My noble friend Lord...

Lord Paddick | 750 c269 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to explain the background to the comments that I am about to make, as most noble Lords ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c269 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome this opportunity for debate. The quality of speeches that we have had has sho...

Lord Maxton | 750 c269 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, I noticed that the title of the new clause says “new”, but that word does not appe...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c270 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the intention of the new clause is to deal with the problem of novelty, and indeed m...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 750 c271 (Link to this contribution)

Has the Minister held discussions with his counterpart Ministers in the education department? The...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c271 (Link to this contribution)

I note the noble Lord’s point. I assure him that communication across government on this is very ...

Baroness Meacher | 750 c271 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said that the way forward is more enforcement. Is he aware of the view of the UK Bor...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c271 (Link to this contribution)

Enforcement is, of course, part of the issue. If we decide that we need to restrict the supply, w...

Lord Rosser | 750 c272 (Link to this contribution)

I will ask the Minister to clarify one point before I make my main response. Did he say that offi...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c272 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot recall any such reference in what I said.

Lord Rosser | 750 c272 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry if I misunderstood. I thought that there had been a reference to such approaches being...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c272 (Link to this contribution)

I have come across the point referred to by the noble Lord. The police have indeed been visiting ...

Lord Rosser | 750 c272 (Link to this contribution)

I have no problem at all with the police going around and doing that. I was asking: if the police...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c272 (Link to this contribution)

If the drugs are illegal, clearly that is exactly the position, and that is the point they make. ...

Lord Rosser | 750 c272 (Link to this contribution)

One of the main points is whether those are illegal drugs, in which case action can be taken. Tha...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c273 (Link to this contribution)

Certainly, if people were found to be in possession of illegal drugs, an offence would have been ...

Lord Rosser | 750 c273 (Link to this contribution)

If the Minister had been able to give me some assurance that he felt that action could be taken t...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c273 (Link to this contribution)

I promised to keep Peers informed of the outcome of that campaign, and will do so. However, it is...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 750 c273 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not a great difficulty that neither the police nor trading standards officers have the mean...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c273 (Link to this contribution)

They have access to the means to test the substances, which is a reasonable enough basis on which...

Lord Rosser | 750 c273 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, I shall withdraw my amendment. I feel that the Minister seems rather nearer to me than...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c273 (Link to this contribution)

We have identified harmful legal formulations. The noble Lord sat with me while we discussed that...

Lord Rosser | 750 c274 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the Government’s position, which is that if any of those substances sold contained c...

Baroness Thornton | 750 c274 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Thornton

56NC: After Clause 103, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Thornton | 750 c275 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 56NC, in the names of my noble friends, makes tobacco proxy purchasing an off...

Baroness Crawley | 750 cc275-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise that I was not present for Second Reading and ask for the forbearance of no...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 cc277-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank both noble Baronesses who have spoken on this issue. I was slightly surprised t...

Baroness Crawley | 750 c279 (Link to this contribution)

Given the parlous position of local authorities and the possibility of severe cuts in trading sta...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 c280 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness is right to raise that issue. As someone who worked in local government for 10...

Baroness Thornton | 750 c280 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his reply and I particularly thank my noble friend Lady Crawley for her ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 c280 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon

56P: Clause 110, page 81, line 37, leave out “and (7...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 cc281-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 110 provides the legal basis for the College of Policing to set standards for th...

Baroness Thornton | 750 cc283-4 (Link to this contribution)

I gave notice of my opposition to the Question that Clause 110 stand part, and I did so for probi...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 cc284-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, regarding the noble Baroness’s first set of questions, she is indeed correct. I mention...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c285 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

56Q: Clause 110, page 81, line 37, at end insert—

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 c285 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

56QZA: After Clause 113, insert the following new Cl...

Baroness Hamwee | 750 c286 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am taking this opportunity to ask the Minister, who knows about my question, whether ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 cc286-7 (Link to this contribution)

I take it that my noble friend’s comments primarily were probing. Clause 115 provides the basis o...

Baroness Hamwee | 750 c287 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, at this stage I am probing. Anything more comes later. I understand to an extent the p...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 c287 (Link to this contribution)

I suggest that between Committee and Report I meet my noble friend to address her specific concer...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 750 c287 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness agree that it might be helpful if the Minister, in writing to her, sets o...

Baroness Hamwee | 750 c287 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with that. I was going to press my noble friend a little on whether the Information Commi...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 750 c287 (Link to this contribution)

While inspiration may be somewhat limited, I take on board the noble Lord’s suggestion. As I have...

Baroness Hamwee | 750 c287 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

56QZB: Clause 119, page 87, leave out lines 12 to 18

Baroness Hamwee | 750 cc287-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving this amendment, I shall speak also to Amendments 56QZC and 56QZD, which are o...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 cc288-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for the opportunity to address this important safety mechanism ...

Baroness Hamwee | 750 c289 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is helpful to have that explanation on the record. On the point about hours, leave a...

Baroness Doocey | 750 c289 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Doocey

56QZE: Before Clause 121, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Doocey | 750 cc289-291 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving this amendment, I shall speak also to Amendments 56QZF and 56QZG. The object ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 750 cc291-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Doocey, for tabling this amendment. I have pu...

Lord Condon | 750 c292 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, during my time as commissioner, I argued strongly for a fully independent and well reso...

Lord Paddick | 750 cc292-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will add to the comments of previous noble Lords in support of my noble friend Lady D...

Lord Tyler | 750 c293 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to my noble friend Lady Doocey for not being present for the first minute o...

Lord Blair of Boughton | 750 cc293-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will follow my noble friend Lord Condon, in particular on the suggested new clause ca...

Lord Stevens of Kirkwhelpington | 750 c294 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will just add my comments to those of my noble friends Lord Condon and Lord Blair and...

Lord Rosser | 750 c294 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be very brief. I, too, thank the noble Baroness, Lady Doocey, and my noble frien...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 750 cc295-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when we discussed police integrity last Thursday, I felt that there was a degree of una...

Lord Imbert | 750 cc296-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the only other former commissioner here, I feel that I should add my support to thei...

Baroness Hamwee | 750 c297 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend responds, perhaps I may add to the list of things that she might want to m...

Baroness Doocey | 750 c297 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister—my noble friend the listening Minister—for his positive response. ...

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