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Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 18 November 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 2 to 11 agreed to. Schedules 1 and 2 agreed to. Part 3 of 3.

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749 cc812-846 

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2013-14

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Home Office

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Proceeding contributions

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 c812 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Harris of Haringey

20HA: Clause 2, page 2, line 26, after “must” insert...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 cc812-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister and I have just made a fleeting appearance at the reception and dinner for...


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Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 cc813-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak to Amendments 20J, 22F and 96 in my name and that of my noble friend Lo...

Lord Greaves | 749 c817 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness has made some extremely interesting points. I was with her for quite a long ti...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c817 (Link to this contribution)

The reason why an IPNA is weaker is because it is not an automatic criminal matter if it is breac...

Lord Greaves | 749 c817 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness have the answer to my question about the cost of an ASBO? My understandin...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 cc817-8 (Link to this contribution)

I just hope that that never happens to the noble Lord. I am sure that he would never give this Ho...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c818 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should begin by refuting the suggestion of the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, about our ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c818 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is wrong. My second amendment refers to criminal behaviour orders and I spoke to t...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc819-821 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but I am dealing with Amendment 96 and in speaking to that amendment, the noble Baroness mad...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c821 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for intervening on the Minister, but I wonder if he thinks he has answered the questi...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc821-2 (Link to this contribution)

I was coming to that point, but I shall just deal with the cost element. The impact assessment, a...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c822 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the noble Lord for intervening, but I want to clarify, to make sure that I have no...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c822 (Link to this contribution)

I can give the noble Baroness some sort of figures on the comparative costs. It has been suggeste...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c823 (Link to this contribution)

I will finish what I am saying, if I may. I will not sit down before the noble Baroness has a cha...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c823 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for allowing me to come back on him, because he misunderstood. I ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c823 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill makes no provision for the funding of costs.

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Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 c823 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I assume that the noble Lord has finished. I found the reply that the Minister gave rat...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c823 (Link to this contribution)

The answer is very simple: we do not think that ASBOs are effective. We are proposing a Bill that...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 cc824-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think that anyone doubts that the Minister and the Government are keen to tack...

Lord Flight | 749 c825 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Flight

21: Clause 3, page 3, line 20, at end insert—

“(c) the ant...

Lord Flight | 749 cc825-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have tabled this amendment in support in particular of Westminster Council—my wife is...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 749 c828 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Flight. I remind the Committee that I sit as a magistrat...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 cc828-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord knows that I have concerns about this amendment. I hear what he says abo...

Lord Flight | 749 c829 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to respond to that. Yes, there are problems; persistent begging is a very hard thing...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 cc829-830 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened carefully to what the noble Lord, Lord Flight, had to say in this debate. I ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc830-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased to have the chance to talk about this issue because I am concerned th...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c832 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has given a very detailed reply as to the measures available, but I am sur...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c832 (Link to this contribution)

In some circumstances there is undoubtedly some suggestion that people involved in begging have b...

Lord Flight | 749 c833 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that very detailed response. I am hopeful that what he describ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 c833 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Harris of Haringey

21ZA: After Clause 3, insert the following new Claus...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 cc833-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I suppose that we should congratulate the Minister on now having dealt with three of th...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c834 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the election of police and crime commissioners put the public back at the heart of our ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc834-6 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I welcome even modest conversions and am delighted that the noble Lord has proposed this am...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 c836 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment was not about trying to delay the process—I think that the Minister trie...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c836 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord will forgive me. It has to be presented to the police and crime panel as well.<...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 c836 (Link to this contribution)

It has to be presented to the police and crime panel, but the panel has no executive role, as far...

Lord Greaves | 749 c837 (Link to this contribution)

I am trying to match what the noble Lord is talking about to my experience in Lancashire. It is a...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 c837 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, will forgive me if I do not join him in his encyclop...

Lord Greaves | 749 c838 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

21ZB: Clause 4, page 3, line 34, leave out paragraphs (f) and (...

Lord Greaves | 749 c838 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a brief amendment to probe why the Environment Agency and its Welsh equivalent,...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c838 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to intervene on the noble Lord but he referred to the Natural Resources Body for Wales...

Lord Greaves | 749 c838 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I did not quite get that. Is the noble Baroness saying that the Welsh Assembly is...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c838 (Link to this contribution)

No. The Welsh Assembly is not in favour of the Bill and it would need a legislative consent Motio...

Lord Greaves | 749 c838 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for that additional information, which is entirely different from anything tha...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c839 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we will come to the Welsh relationship with the Bill later on in our consideration of i...

Lord Greaves | 749 cc839-840 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I still do not understand the logic of having the Environment Agency: why not Network R...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c840 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may just explain. The agency currently has the power to issue ASBOs—that exists. If we ...

Lord Greaves | 749 c840 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand that very well. I understand that the Environment Agency has those powers,...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c840 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Smith of Basildon

21B: Clause 9, page 6, line 23, at end insert—

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 cc840-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think I can move this amendment fairly briefly. It concerns applications made for the...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c841 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have Amendment 21C in this group. It is extraordinarily inelegantly drafted, but I ho...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc841-2 (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 21B, tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Smith, would require the courts to take into ac...

Lord Beecham | 749 cc842-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has not addressed the thrust of my noble friend’s amendment, in terms of t...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c843 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord has asked me a number of detailed questions. If he does not mind, I will...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c843 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. He did not fully address a couple of questions in the points tha...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c843 (Link to this contribution)

I will take a look at the record and if I feel that it will be productive and I can add to the po...

Lord Beecham | 749 c843 (Link to this contribution)

It occurs to me to ask the noble Lord whether there have been any consultations with the judiciar...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c844 (Link to this contribution)

I was anxious to move on, as noble Lords may have guessed, but I think that the sentiment of the ...

Lord Beecham | 749 c844 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has just reminded me that I really ought to have declared an interest. I am still ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c844 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw. I understand the noble Lord is going to write to me about the ...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 749 c844 (Link to this contribution)

The question is that Schedule 2 be the second schedule to the Bill.

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c845 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I propose to speak to this; I realise that a number of people in the Chamber will be aw...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 749 c845 (Link to this contribution)

I put it that Schedule 2 be the second schedule of the Bill, but I did not take the voices on tha...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c845 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, my Lords, I apologise to the House but I do want to raise at this point whether Sch...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc845-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that the Committee will forgive me if I rattle through my notes here, as I am aw...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c846 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have already made clear this afternoon my concern about reliance on guidance. I wonde...

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