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Transparency of Lobbying, Non-Party Campaigning and Trade Union Administration Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 22 October 2013, in the House of Lords, led by Viscount Younger of Leckie. The answering member was Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town.
Lords second reading. Agreed to on question. Bill committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

748 cc891-994 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Proceeding contributions

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 748 cc892-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lord Wallace of Saltaire, I beg to move that the Bill be n...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 748 c893 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can the Minister explain how Mr Lynton Crosby and his tobacco industry interests will b...


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Viscount Younger of Leckie | 748 c893 (Link to this contribution)

I do not intend to go into that at this particular stage.

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 748 cc893-5 (Link to this contribution)

I note, however, the point that the noble Lord has made.

Let me now turn to the second part...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 748 c895 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Viscount for giving way. Does his last comment imply that certification officer...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 748 cc895-6 (Link to this contribution)

One of the issues that we wish to address is the fact that the certification officer has a passiv...

Lord Martin of Springburn | 748 c896 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Viscount for giving way. I am just seeking clarification. I do not need the ans...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 748 c896 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that very specific question. I think that it makes sense for me to com...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 748 cc896-900 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his brave attempt to introduce this bad little Bill and certai...

Lord Tyler | 748 cc900-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in many years of public life I cannot recall a set of proposals that have been so misun...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 748 c902 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can I nail the myth that is going around that was perpetuated by the Deputy Prime Minis...

Lord Tyler | 748 cc902-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my information is different on both points. We can have a further discussion after this...

Lord Ramsbotham | 748 cc904-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Joint Committee on Human Rights has already said that this is a very bad Bill, quer...

Bishop of Derby | 748 cc905-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, want to comment on Part 2 from the perspective of charities and faith groups an...

Lord Lang of Monkton | 748 cc907-910 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Derby. As we are de...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 748 cc910-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is important that we retain some clarity about why there were calls for a Bill to re...

Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 748 cc912-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may say on behalf of the House how much we are looking forward to hearing the...

Lord Judd | 748 c914 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very struck by what the noble and right reverend Lord is saying. Does he not agree...

Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 748 cc914-5 (Link to this contribution)

That is a valuable point and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Judd.

There is a whole range of o...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 748 c915 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the noble and right reverend Lord, because I agree with every word that h...

Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 748 c915 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Phillips. I hope very much that the Minister will agree with that.

Lord Tyler | 748 c915 (Link to this contribution)

I agree precisely with what the noble and right reverend Lord has just said. As was said earlier ...

Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 748 c916 (Link to this contribution)

That highlights the final point I want to make. Before this Bill proceeds any further, would it n...

Lord Horam | 748 cc916-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to make my maiden speech in this House. First, I thank the staff of all departme...

Lord Wigley | 748 cc917-921 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it falls to me to congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Horam, on an excellent and thoughtf...

Baroness Jay of Paddington | 748 cc920-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I echo the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, in welcoming the noble Lord, Lord Horam, and congra...

Earl of Clancarty | 748 cc923-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Horam, on his maiden speech, which was an ext...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 748 cc924-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by congratulating the noble Lord, Lord Horam, on his maiden speech, and by draw...

Lord Norton of Louth | 748 cc928-930 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start with two general observations about the Bill. The first concerns process and th...

Lord Hart of Chilton | 748 cc930-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there will be many echoes and repetitions this afternoon and evening, and I make no exc...

Lord Aberdare | 748 cc931-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will try to outline my thoughts on the Bill without going into too much detail since ...

Lord Rooker | 748 cc934-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the note handed out by the Minister on 10 October stated:

“The Bill takes forward...

Lord Hardie | 748 cc935-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I refer to my entry in the register of interests as president of Capability Scotland. I...

Baroness Donaghy | 748 cc939-941 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have three reasons for wishing to speak in this debate. First, I am a former member a...

Baroness Hanham | 748 cc941-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased to take part in this Bill, even from one row back, and to have had th...

Lord Monks | 748 cc944-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join the chorus of critics of this blunderbuss of a Bill. It is quite a big chorus, w...

Lord Griffiths of Burry Port | 748 cc946-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I need not detain your Lordships for long because so much that needs to be said has alr...

Baroness Hollins | 748 cc948-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, despite government attempts to allay fears about this Bill, as we have been hearing tod...

Lord Haskel | 748 cc949-951 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the Minister has said, we would all like to know who is buying power and influence a...

Lord Whitty | 748 cc950-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like many noble Lords who have spoken, I regard Part 1 of this Bill as being probably w...

Baroness Kidron | 748 cc954-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Derby, in his evocative speech, described the ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 748 cc955-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as a retired member of Unite.

The briefing circulated about...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 748 cc957-960 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Bill takes us back to the insulting doctrine that trade unions are the enemy within...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 748 cc960-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin with an apology to my noble friend on the Front Bench and to the House for havi...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 748 cc963-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like many other noble Lords I have an interest in the Bill through my involvement with ...

Lord Greaves | 748 cc964-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a privilege to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Lister of Burtersett, and, ...

Baroness Mallalieu | 748 cc967-970 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak only on Part 2. I must first declare some non-pecuniary interests. I am a...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 748 c970 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness not realise as a lawyer that this is a goldmine for lawyers?

Baroness Mallalieu | 748 cc970-1 (Link to this contribution)

That is the other possibility, which I had not considered. It will undoubtedly increase the work ...

Lord Adebowale | 748 cc971-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to be honest I was going to home, because I am number 30 on the list and I have listene...

Lord Greaves | 748 c973 (Link to this contribution)

It was not a terrible experience at all; it was all part of the fun of local politics and local c...

Lord Adebowale | 748 c973 (Link to this contribution)

Spoken like a true democrat.

The point is that the Bill is confusing. People cannot see the...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 748 cc973-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as a charity lawyer of long standing and founder of the firm Bate...

Lord Judd | 748 c975 (Link to this contribution)

Very few people know more about charities and their activities than the noble Lord, but is he not...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 748 cc975-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that the Charity Commission can do the job. Perhaps I may read a couple of pass...

Lord Judd | 748 cc976-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by declaring my interests. I have worked both as an executive and as a voluntee...

Lord Jay of Ewelme | 748 c979 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I follow the noble Lord, Lord Judd, with as much trepidation as I did some 40 years ago...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 748 c979 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting the noble Lord but does he agree that the Permanent Secretary is pro...

Lord Jay of Ewelme | 748 cc979-980 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree. Indeed, any lobbyist worth his or her salt is going to make quite certain that ...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 748 cc980-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the Bill that the Government told us would restore faith in politics, regulate ...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 748 cc982-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I warmly welcome the noble Lord, Lord Horam, and I congratulate him on his maiden speec...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 cc987-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a vigorous debate with a wide range of opinions forcefully expressed arou...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 748 c988 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister accept that if a Minister meets lobbyists of that sort, although there may well...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 c988 (Link to this contribution)

I take the point that the noble Baroness makes. She has said to me off the Floor of the House tha...

Lord Rooker | 748 c988 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, that is a worry, because that is the kind of thing that the Minister should have be...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 c989 (Link to this contribution)

It shows my ignorance more than anything. The Bill team has a Keeling schedule, and it will be di...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 748 c989 (Link to this contribution)

As the Minister has just said, rightly, that it is important to look at the effect on charities a...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 cc989-990 (Link to this contribution)

I am conscious of a number of meetings with ACEVO, the NCVO and a number of other organisations o...

Lord Greaves | 748 c990 (Link to this contribution)

I was very confused by the quote that my noble friend read from the Electoral Commission, which r...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 cc990-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was about to come to precisely that distinction because it seems to me to be the nub ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 c991 (Link to this contribution)

May I just finish my point? We had been through two elections with that language and charities do...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 748 c991 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for giving way. He may not be able to answer my next point tonight. Howeve...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 c991 (Link to this contribution)

I hesitate to go into a definition of politics as the noble Lord, Lord Norton, will immediately c...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 748 c991 (Link to this contribution)

It might be beneficial for all of us if the Minister and his advisers were to say how far the Cha...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 cc991-2 (Link to this contribution)

I accept—and have also had it said to me in the Corridors—that we need to make sure that the guid...

Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 748 c992 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are talking about unions with a membership of more than 10,000, as I understand it; ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 c992 (Link to this contribution)

However, we are not talking about the smallest unions.

I take the point from, I think, the ...

Lord Whitty | 748 c992 (Link to this contribution)

I think it was my noble friend Lord, Lord Monks, who raised that point. The Minister has not yet ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 c992 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government are concerned that there is insufficient public understanding when, for ...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 748 c992 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister aware that that is not the reason given in the explanatory document?

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 c992 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we will return to the explanatory document at a later stage. This has been an extremely...

Lord Hardie | 748 c992 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the Minister will address the concerns of local action groups, as opposed to cha...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 c993 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry; I did not hear the noble and learned Lord.

Lord Hardie | 748 c993 (Link to this contribution)

I was asking about local action groups as opposed to charities.

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 c993 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, local action groups, if they are not campaigning for or against a particular candidate ...

Lord Hardie | 748 c993 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister obviously did not hear my speech. I referred to the situation where a local action g...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 748 c994 (Link to this contribution)

In the case of Kidderminster Hospital, which I think was one of the examples quoted, there was in...

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