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Care Bill [HL]

Lords committee stage eighth day. Clauses 66-68, 69 as amended, 70-73, 107-108, 109 as amended, 110, 111-112 as amended, 113 and schedules 3 and 4 agreed to on question. Bill reported with amendments.

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Reference

747 cc1546-1613 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee first report.
Wednesday, 22 May 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Warner | 747 c1546 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Warner

104ZBA: Before Clause 66, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Warner | 747 cc1547-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of this amendment is to give us a chance to discuss the funding of social c...


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Baroness Pitkeathley | 747 c1549 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to make two points, the first as a result of my membership of the Joint ...

Lord Lipsey | 747 cc1549-1552 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should have put my name to this excellent amendment.

It would not be the first ...

Baroness Wilkins | 747 cc1550-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, speak in support of the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lord Warner. I...

Baroness Bakewell | 747 c1553 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I endorse and support the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lord Warner. We have...

Baroness Greengross | 747 c1553 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Warner. I partly echo what the noble Ba...

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 747 c1554 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Warner. I will be brief, as I ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 747 cc1554-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very interesting debate. I open on today’s Committee by declaring inter...

Earl Howe | 747 cc1555-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in some ways this is a reprise of an earlier debate we had in Committee, but none the l...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 747 c1558 (Link to this contribution)

I accept the noble Earl’s point, which he has made before, that local authorities sometimes pay l...

Baroness Wilkins | 747 c1559 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Earl says that that transition funding has been taken into account. Can he also confirm...

Earl Howe | 747 cc1559-1560 (Link to this contribution)

I will come back to the noble Baroness on that question.

I take the point of the noble Lord...

Lord Warner | 747 cc1560-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a helpful debate and I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in ...

Lord Dubs | 747 cc1561-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dubs

104ZE: After Clause 66, insert the following new Clause—

“Ac...

Lord Dubs | 747 cc1562-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is very clear that this Bill puts upon local authorities enormously complex duties a...

Lord Beecham | 747 c1563 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a lot of sympathy with the case that my noble friend has put in establishing the...

Lord Warner | 747 c1563 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I briefly intervene from the perspective of a member of the Joint Select Committee, whi...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 747 c1565 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, subject to later comments about funding and the issues raised by my noble friend Lord B...

Earl Howe | 747 cc1565-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased that this important issue has been raised. I hope that I can provide the n...

Lord Dubs | 747 c1567 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister. What he says is very interesting but will the review be completed ...

Earl Howe | 747 c1567 (Link to this contribution)

Certainly, I anticipate that the results of the review will be available before the Bill has conc...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 747 c1567 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Earl find it helpful if, on Report, we introduced an order-making power in the pr...

Earl Howe | 747 c1567 (Link to this contribution)

That might prove helpful but I will take advice on it. We do not want to duplicate powers that al...

Lord Dubs | 747 cc1567-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister and I am interested in what he has to say. First, I thank my noble ...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 747 c1568 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Patel of Bradford

105: Clause 68, page 56, leave out lines 4 to 11 and ...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 747 cc1568-1574 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my amendment affects Clause 68(5), which aims to provide a definition of aftercare serv...

Baroness Barker | 747 c1574 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Patel of Bradford, for introducing this extremely importan...

Baroness Wheeler | 747 cc1574-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend is right to express his frustration and dismay that, once again, we are...

Baroness Northover | 747 cc1575-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we understand and respect the desire of the noble Lord, Lord Patel of Bradford, to achi...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 747 c1576 (Link to this contribution)

I suppose the only bit of that I was pleased about was the proposal that we should meet. Unfortun...

Baroness Northover | 747 c1577 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord accept what I have just said: that it was doubt over cases like that which le...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 747 c1577 (Link to this contribution)

I still have a problem because the definition is very clear, as the noble Baroness has said. It i...

Baroness Northover | 747 c1577 (Link to this contribution)

Under the Interpretation Act 1978, words in the singular may include the plural.

Lord Patel of Bradford | 747 cc1577-8 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree that legally that is what it means, but the 1983 Act does not use the word “th...

Baroness Northover | 747 c1578 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Northover

105A: Clause 69, page 57, line 7, at end insert—

“(...

Baroness Northover | 747 cc1578-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government have tabled a number of amendments in relation to prisons to help clarif...

Baroness Browning | 747 c1579 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is something of a miscellaneous group of amendments. I wish to speak to Amendment ...

Lord Low of Dalston | 747 cc1579-1580 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak more briefly, your Lordships will be pleased to learn, than I have in any...

Lord Touhig | 747 c1580 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 105Q in my name and in the name of someone I am proud to cal...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 747 cc1580-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to my amendments 105AA and 105CA, which affect subsections (6) and (7) of...

Lord Ramsbotham | 747 cc1582-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Patel, on Amendments 105AA and 105CA, and will comment o...

Baroness Wheeler | 747 cc1583-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is largely a group of government technical amendments, interspersed with amendment...

Baroness Northover | 747 cc1584-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for tabling the other amendments in this group on these very import...

Lord Patel of Bradford | 747 c1585 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to get this point on record and then perhaps we can come back to it. I understand tha...

Baroness Northover | 747 cc1585-7 (Link to this contribution)

The point is that if local authorities must also conduct inquiries in prisons and approved premis...

Lord Low of Dalston | 747 c1587 (Link to this contribution)

Can I just make sure—does that mean that the third party to whom the care function may be delegat...

Baroness Northover | 747 c1587 (Link to this contribution)

What I have written here is that when the local authority delegates a public function to a third ...

Lord Low of Dalston | 747 c1587 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for that further clarification. It is reassuring to hear that the third party ...

Baroness Northover | 747 cc1587-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly write to the noble Lord and spell it out. Given the local authority’s responsibi...

Earl Howe | 747 c1588 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

105B: Clause 69, page 57, line 28, at end insert—

“(6A) An S...

Earl Howe | 747 c1588 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

105D: Clause 69, page 57, line 31, leave out from second “officer”...

Lord Low of Dalston | 747 c1589 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Low of Dalston

105NA: Clause 70, page 58, line 20, at end insert—

Lord Low of Dalston | 747 cc1589-1591 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I will not speak quite as briefly as when I spoke to my earlier amendment to Cl...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 747 c1590 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was a pretty persuasive case, to which I hope the noble Baroness will be sympathet...

Baroness Northover | 747 cc1590-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Low, for his amendment. It raises some important issues. H...

Lord Low of Dalston | 747 c1592 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for her response, and also to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt ...

Lord Warner | 747 c1592 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Warner

105P: After Clause 70, insert the following new Clause—

“E...

Lord Warner | 747 cc1593-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I move Amendment 105P in the name of myself, the noble Lord, Lord Patel, and the noble ...

Lord Warner | 747 c1594 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Warner

105PA: After Clause 70, line 9, at end insert—

“Where an a...

Lord Warner | 747 c1594 (Link to this contribution)

I move this formally, on behalf of the noble Lord, Lord Patel, as I have already spoken to it.

Baroness Jolly | 747 cc1594-5 (Link to this contribution)

I support the two amendments in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Warner and Lord Patel, and the...

Baroness Masham of Ilton | 747 c1595 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support these amendments. People in the community definitely need better facili...

Baroness Wall of New Barnet | 747 c1595 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, wish to support the amendment presented by the noble Lord, Lord Warner. I want ...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 747 cc1595-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, wish to speak in support of the amendments and to endorse what the noble Barone...

Lord Skelmersdale | 747 c1596 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I failed to speak at Second Reading and I have failed to speak throughout the Committee...

Baroness Emerton | 747 c1596 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Warner, and agree with what al...

Baroness Wheeler | 747 cc1597-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we on these Benches are grateful to my noble friend Lord Warner and the noble Lord, Lor...

Earl Howe | 747 cc1598-1601 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Warner, for tabling these amendments which bring us to an ...

Lord Warner | 747 c1600 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all noble Lords, across the Benches, who spoke in support of this amendment. I w...

Lord Warner | 747 c1602 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Warner

105S: After Clause 72, insert the following new Clause—

“E...

Lord Warner | 747 c1602 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords I will not detain the House long on this amendment. It gives the Secretary of State a re...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 747 cc1602-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly, I support my noble friend. In a sense, we have already had two debates on...

Earl Howe | 747 cc1603-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these are indeed serious issues and I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Warner, for r...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 747 c1604 (Link to this contribution)

I have never really been able to tempt the noble Earl to comment on the priority to be given by t...

Lord Warner | 747 c1605 (Link to this contribution)

Supplementary to that, my simple view of the world is that if the situation is so bad, the CQC ou...

Earl Howe | 747 c1605 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am the first to agree that these are very important issues. I cannot do justice to ex...

Lord Warner | 747 c1605 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Earl for his reassurances. However, like my noble friend Lord Hunt, I ...

Baroness Deech | 747 cc1605-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Deech

105SA: Before Clause 107, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Deech | 747 cc1606-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I return once again to the treatment, during life and at death, of elderly siblings or ...

Baroness Hooper | 747 c1608 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I need only add very little to the case proposed by the noble Baroness. In the interest...

Baroness Barker | 747 cc1608-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I return to this subject yet again, having discussed it every time it has come before y...

Baroness Northover | 747 cc1609-1611 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, for tabling this amendment. This would place a ...

Baroness Deech | 747 cc1611-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we start from the position that the European Court of Human Rights found that the situa...

Baroness Barker | 747 c1612 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness does that, I would just make a point of fact. If people make arrangemen...

747 c1612 (Link to this contribution)

They have to pay rent.

Earl Howe | 747 c1612 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

105T: Clause 109, page 88, line 23, at end insert—

“(ca) reg...

Earl Howe | 747 c1613 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

106A: Clause 111, page 89, line 39, leave out “48” and insert “(Te...

Earl Howe | 747 c1613 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Howe

108: Clause 112, page 90, line 7, at end insert—

“( ) sectio...

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