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Offender Rehabilitation Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 25 June 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords report stage. Amendment 1 agreed to on division (215 to 186). Amendment 2 disagreed to on division (188 to 209). Further amendments debated and agreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

746 cc658-719 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Offender Rehabilitation Bill (HL) 2013-14
Thursday, 9 May 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-1125
Tuesday, 25 June 2013
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Deposited Paper DEP2013-1645
Tuesday, 25 June 2013
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Deposited Paper DEP2013-1853
Tuesday, 25 June 2013
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 746 c658 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind those leaving the Chamber that they are expected to do so quietly. I also take...

Lord Ramsbotham | 746 c658 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ramsbotham

1: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“...


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Lord Ramsbotham | 746 cc659-662 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I have said on a number of occasions, this is a curious Bill. While the whole House ...

Lord Beecham | 746 cc662-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord has made very clear, this amendment addresses issues both of form and...

Baroness Hamwee | 746 c664 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I share the frustration that has been expressed about this Bill not being about what we...

Lord McNally | 746 cc664-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, far from being tedious or boring, I found that an extremely interesting intervention, a...

Lord Beecham | 746 c665 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry but that is not the position. I am certainly happy that the Bill should proceed. An im...

Lord McNally | 746 cc665-8 (Link to this contribution)

One problem with piloting this Bill is that I am supposed to sit here and listen to all the asper...

Lord Richard | 746 c667 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, perhaps he can help me with one small issue concerning the risk ...

Lord McNally | 746 c667 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, part of the problem is that it is described as a risk assessment by journalists. As I ...

Countess of Mar | 746 c667 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, following his comments about his noble friend Lady Ham...

Lord McNally | 746 c669 (Link to this contribution)

We are working within a very strict budget. Because we have other commitments as far as the overa...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 746 c669 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may put a point to him. No doubt the noble Lord will recollect that at the en...

Lord McNally | 746 c669 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the noble Lord for that intervention, which probably was not intended ...

Lord Ramsbotham | 746 cc670-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that reply and I thank all those who have taken part ...

Lord Beecham | 746 c674 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

2*: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Pr...

Lord Beecham | 746 cc674-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by reiterating that I and colleagues on these Benches, and indeed across the wh...

Lord Ramsbotham | 746 c678 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to add much to what the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, has just said, because ...

Lord Goodhart | 746 c678 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was strongly supportive of Amendment 1, moved by the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham. How...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 746 cc678-9 (Link to this contribution)

That, I think, is a very narrow and technical point. It may well be that, if Amendment 1 had refe...

Baroness Hamwee | 746 cc679-680 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend the Minister will know that I have been concerned about a payments-by-r...

Lord McNally | 746 cc680-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a great pleasure to joust with the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, as he is such...

Lord Beecham | 746 cc683-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister and to other noble Lords for theirs contribution to this ...

Lord Beecham | 746 c684 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

3: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Low...

Lord Beecham | 746 cc684-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, noble Lords will be relieved to hear that this is not an amendment on which I propose t...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 746 c688 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make one very brief point in relation to this. Of course, one has sympathy with ...

Lord McNally | 746 cc688-691 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a brief debate but I fully appreciate and accept the point made by the no...

Lord Beecham | 746 c690 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that very full explanation of the Government’s approa...

Lord McNally | 746 c692 (Link to this contribution)

I remember our debates on that decision. Part of the problem with the last reorganisation was wha...

Lord Beecham | 746 cc692-3 (Link to this contribution)

I can certainly see the case for an arrangement of that kind, but the operational workings of the...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 746 c693 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone

4: Clause 2, page 2, leave out lines 11 an...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 746 cc693-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 4 is in my name and those of my noble friends Lord Marks, Lady Hamwee and Lor...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 746 c696 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, in the general thrust of her amendments. ...

Lord Woolf | 746 c696 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to express my general support for what the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater,...

Lord Ramsbotham | 746 c698 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendments so comprehensively spoken to by the noble Baroness, Lady...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 746 cc698-701 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, in particular my noble frie...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 746 cc701-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for that comprehensive reply—and for pointing out the technical hitches. ...

Lord Woolf | 746 c702 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Woolf

5: Clause 2, page 2, line 37, at end insert—

“(7A) The Secr...

Lord Woolf | 746 cc702-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 5 is grouped with Amendment 18, and I hope that I shall be in order in addres...

Lord McNally | 746 c703 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we could have a debate now, although it is a very thinly attended House, but it may ass...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 746 c703 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, despite that important announcement, I want to say a very few words in support of the a...

Lord Woolf | 746 c703 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in view of what the Minister has said, which I take as a very positive indication to th...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 746 c703 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon

7: Schedule 1, page 22, line 12, leave out “conditio...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 746 cc703-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the government amendments in this group make a number of minor technical changes to the...

Lord Beecham | 746 c704 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there comes a temptation to move that any of these riveting amendments be piloted. I am...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 746 c704 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon

8: Schedule 1, page 22, line 33, leave out “conditio...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 746 c704 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

9: Clause 3, page 3, line 42, after “scale,” ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 746 cc704-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an amendment that I moved with my noble friends in Committee, and I do not prop...

Lord McNally | 746 cc705-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend has accurately reported my remarks in Committee, which did not, he will...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 746 c706 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not sure whether this is a case of Pepper v Hart, because I do not think that ther...

Lord McNally | 746 c706 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

10: Schedule 2, page 24, line 9, at end insert—

“( ) Sect...

Lord McNally | 746 cc706-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

11: Clause 5, page 6, line 28, leave out “the offender” and ins...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 746 c707 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede

16: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 746 cc707-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 16 would put a duty on all providers of probation services to,

“partici...

Baroness Hamwee | 746 c708 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as one of the three joint presidents of London Councils. I have s...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 746 cc708-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 16 seeks to ensure that all providers of probation services are required to,<...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 746 c709 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord said that appropriate requirements are being reviewed and that the Gover...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 746 c710 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede

17: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 746 cc710-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 17 would make it possible for probation trusts to be able to tender for or co...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 746 cc711-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, for setting out his reasoning behind this amendm...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 746 c712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for that response. He talked about a number of probation mutuals...

Lord Beecham | 746 cc712-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

19: After Clause 17, insert the following new Clause—

“Ve...

Lord Beecham | 746 cc713-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment replicates the one that I moved in Committee and embodies the proposal t...

Viscount Slim | 746 cc715-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank the Minister for the quick conversation that we had on this subject of v...

Lord McNally | 746 cc716-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am particularly grateful for the way in which the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, put forwa...

Lord Beecham | 746 c718 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had hoped that there would be a clear acceptance of the notion that a trial should be...

Lord McNally | 746 c718 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is being uncharacteristically churlish. I do not see how far I can go. I have alre...

Lord Beecham | 746 c719 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry that the Minister adopts that tone. I am sure he is personally warm towards this propo...

Lord McNally | 746 c719 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McNally

20: Schedule 6, page 36, line 28, after “residence” insert “: d...

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