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Offender Rehabilitation Bill [HL]

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 5 June 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage first day. Amendment to the motion that the House do resolve itself into a Committee debated and withdrawn. Clauses 1 to 3 agreed to. Schedules 1 and 2 agreed to. Part 1 of 2.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

745 cc1179-1232 

Session

2013-14

Department

Ministry of Justice

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Offender Rehabilitation Bill (HL) 2013-14
Thursday, 9 May 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-1038
Thursday, 20 June 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-1039
Thursday, 20 June 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-1040
Thursday, 20 June 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord McNally | 745 c1179 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now resolve itself into Committee on the Bill.

Am...

Lord Ramsbotham | 745 c1179 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ramsbotham


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Lord Ramsbotham | 745 c1179 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move the amendment standing in my name on the Order Paper.

Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 745 c1179 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether noble Lords might leave the Chamber quietly and whether those passing ...

Lord Ramsbotham | 745 cc1179-1182 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness the Chief Whip for that intervention.

I suspe...

Lord Beecham | 745 cc1182-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly sympathise with the noble Lord’s observations and share his strictures on th...

Lord McNally | 745 cc1183-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a lot of what the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, said was very familiar, because of cours...

Lord Ramsbotham | 745 c1184 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister and to the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, for what they have s...

Lord McNally | 745 c1184 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is what a Committee stage is for. I will try to answer as many of those questions ...

Lord Ramsbotham | 745 c1184 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that because it was precisely what I was hoping he wo...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 745 c1184 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 7, leave out “1 day” an...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 745 cc1184-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 1, I shall also address Amendments 3, 5 and, in passing, Amendment ...

Lord McNally | 745 cc1186-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby, for the way in which he moved that...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 745 cc1188-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for those answers. He said in addressing Amendments 1, 3 and 5 that the su...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 745 c1189 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone

2: After Clause 1, insert the following ne...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 745 cc1189-1191 (Link to this contribution)

My amendment is for a proposed new clause to the Bill. The Minister will be aware of the generall...

Lord Ramsbotham | 745 c1191 (Link to this contribution)

I support Amendment 4 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Linklater, with the suggestion that...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 745 c1192 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, may I add one thing what my noble friend Lord Ramsbotham has said, as well as supportin...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1192 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, and the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, in supportin...

Lord McNally | 745 cc1192-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the debate that my noble friend has stimulated. She is absolutely rig...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1195 (Link to this contribution)

Accepting for a moment, for the purposes of argument, the noble Lord’s assurance—and of course I ...

Lord McNally | 745 c1195 (Link to this contribution)

That is one of the things that I want to think about. I hope that the two bodies concerned would ...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 745 c1195 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend the Minister for his very thoughtful and detailed response. I am particul...

Lord Bradley | 745 c1196 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bradley

6: Clause 2, page 2, line 37, at end insert—

“(7A) The su...

Lord Bradley | 745 cc1196-8 (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 6 is in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham. It requires the supervisin...

Lord Northbourne | 745 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Bradley, said that the language which is used must be understandab...

Lord Ramsbotham | 745 c1199 (Link to this contribution)

I support the amendment so ably moved by the noble Lord, Lord Bradley, and, in so doing, declare ...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 745 cc1199-1200 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend Lord Northbourne’s comments on the word “rehabilitation” have stimulated my thoug...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 745 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down, surely “rehabilitation” is the correct word because it relates,...

Lord Woolf | 745 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an important amendment, apart from the fact that we have to consider whether th...

Baroness Linklater of Butterstone | 745 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may add to the debate that the clutch of noble and noble and learned Lords started. Reh...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall resist the temptation to reach for my copy of Roget’s Thesaurus but simply conf...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 745 cc1201-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as always, I have listened with great interest. I am for ever learning when I hear such...

Lord Bradley | 745 cc1203-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for that detailed response. When you move an amendment yo...

Lord Woolf | 745 c1204 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Woolf

7: Clause 2, page 2, line 37, at end insert—

“(7A) The Secr...

Lord Woolf | 745 cc1204-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are not many matters concerned with sentencing and dealing with offenders on whic...

Baroness Hamwee | 745 cc1205-6 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friends Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames and Lord Dholakia and I have Amendments 10, 11 an...

Lord Judd | 745 c1206 (Link to this contribution)

I hope noble Lords will forgive me but, to make a clean breast of it, I came in when the noble an...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 745 cc1206-7 (Link to this contribution)

I added my name to one of the amendments tabled by my noble and learned friend Lord Woolf, rather...

Lord Ramsbotham | 745 c1207 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble and learned friend Lord Woolf on Amendment 7. I understand that at t...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 745 cc1207-8 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that my noble and learned friend Lord Woolf need apologise in any way for the amen...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 745 c1208 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 9, which is part of this group, would add a mental health assessment as a sup...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 745 cc1208-1212 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate. Again, many valid c...

Baroness Hamwee | 745 cc1212-3 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble and learned Lord withdraws the amendment, as I assume he will, I wish to refer t...

Lord Woolf | 745 c1213 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that the Minister, for whose response I am grateful, will reconsider what he has...

Lord Beecham | 745 cc1213-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment seeks to amend subsection (2) of Clause 2 which, in turn, seeks to inser...

Lord McNally | 745 cc1214-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord will be quick to tell me if I am wrong, but as I read it, Amendment 7A h...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1215 (Link to this contribution)

If I do, it will not be because of the noble Lord’s explanation. However, of course I will not pr...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1215 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

7B: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause—

“Dut...

Lord Beecham | 745 cc1215-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is common ground between all Members of your Lordships’ House, and reflected in some...

Lord McNally | 745 cc1216-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I always assume that the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, is working in the most constructive ...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

Out of sheer surprise, I certainly will. I welcome the thrust of the Minister’s reply. From the w...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

8: Schedule 1, page 20, line 6, leave out paragraph 1

Lord Beecham | 745 cc1218-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I expect this will be another brief debate. There are two matters to which I want to dr...

Lord Haskel | 745 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

I have to inform your Lordships that if this amendment is agreed, I cannot call Amendments 9 to 1...

Lord McNally | 745 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope I am answering the amendment that the noble Lord has moved, because I am just wo...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

It is purely a probing amendment. There is no intention to remove the provision.

6.30 pm

Lord McNally | 745 cc1219-1220 (Link to this contribution)

Instead, it would simply remove any statutory controls on the conditions that can be imposed duri...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1220 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the second—unscripted—part of the noble Lord’s speech. In the circumstances, I ...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 745 c1220 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames

13: Clause 3, page 3, line 38, after “may” in...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 745 cc1220-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak also to Amendments 16 and 17 in this group. All the amendments are in my n...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 745 cc1221-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 14, which is very similar in many ways to the amendment moved by the noble...

Lord Woolf | 745 c1223 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as regards the practicalities of this issue, as mentioned by the noble Lord, Lord Marks...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1224 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join the noble and learned Lord and the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, in supporting the ...

Lord McNally | 745 cc1224-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. Perhaps I could cover numbers and costs i...

Baroness Hamwee | 745 c1228 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before my noble friend responds, I should deal with the terrible slur from the Front Be...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 745 c1228 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I am grateful to my noble friend for indicating that he will consider Amendment ...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1229 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Beecham

15: Clause 3, page 3, line 39, at beginning insert “subject to...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1229 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have to reassure the Committee that my bedtime reading does not consist of “50 Shades...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1229 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

18A*: Schedule 2, page 23, line 27, at end insert—

“(1A) ...

Lord Beecham | 745 cc1229-1230 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment relates to new Schedule 19A, which deals with supervision default orders ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 745 cc1230-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord and I can from the outset assure him, as is clear in all these m...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1231 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot say that I am terribly happy with the noble Lord’s response. It seems to me th...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 745 cc1231-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may clarify this. The noble Lord’s point about paying someone who is caught u...

Lord Beecham | 745 c1232 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the noble Lord’s most recent remarks, although the points that he made did not ...

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