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National Security Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 3 May 2023, in the House of Commons, led by Tom Tugendhat. The answering member was Holly Lynch.
King's and Prince of Wales's consent signified. The Deputy Speaker announced that Lords amendments 33 and 34 engaged financial privilege. Lords amendments considered. Clause 28, Lords amendment 26 discussed with additional Government amendments. Lords amendment 26, amendment (c) negatived on division (132 to 252). Lords amendment 26, as amended. Agreed to on question. Lords amendment 153, as amended. Agreed to on question. After clause 14, Lords amendment 22 negatived on division (254 to 134). After clause 89, motion, that this House disagrees with the Lords in their amendment 122. Agreed to on division (254 to 136). Motion, that this House agrees with the Lords in their amendments 1 to 21, 23 to 25, 27 to 121, 123 to 152 and 154 to 174. Agreed to on question with Commons privilege waived in respect of Lords amendments 33 and 34. Motion, that a Committee be appointed to draw up Reasons to be assigned to the Lords for disagreeing to their amendments 22 and 122 to the National Security Bill. Agreed to on question. Committee reported Reason and this was agreed to. Message to the Lords to communicate said Reason with the Bill.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

732 c146 

Session

2022-23

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Lords amendments

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
National Security Bill 2022-23. Lords amendments.
Tuesday, 14 March 2023
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 732 c120 (Link to this contribution)

I must draw the House’s attention to the fact that financial privilege is engaged by Lords amendm...

Tom Tugendhat | 732 c120 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment (a) to Lords amendment 26.


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Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 732 c120 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Lords amendment 26, and amendment...

Tom Tugendhat | 732 cc120-1 (Link to this contribution)

Let me start on a personal note by thanking the Clerk who is sitting in his place and congratulat...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 732 c121 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister agree that we must exclude assistance in torture from the scope of defence, to ...

Tom Tugendhat | 732 cc121-2 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member will know that that is a matter for the Foreign Office in its dealings with other...

Stephen Doughty | 732 c122 (Link to this contribution)

I have raised on a number of occasions in debates and Committees the use of cryptocurrencies, and...

Tom Tugendhat | 732 c122 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman, who is a friend, is right to highlight this issue as it is true that cryptocu...

Chris Bryant | 732 c123 (Link to this contribution)

But earlier the Minister was praying in aid Lord Carlile, saying what a wonderful job he had done...

Tom Tugendhat | 732 cc123-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member has formerly been very kind about the work that we have done together, such as on...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 732 c124 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister saying that small grassroots organisations, many of them associational organisati...

Tom Tugendhat | 732 c124 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member underplays what the amendment would do. It would be much more than simply filling...

Julian Lewis | 732 c124 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend—and he is a friend—who I know is saying what he has to say....

Tom Tugendhat | 732 c125 (Link to this contribution)

As usual, my right hon. Friend makes his point cogently. In reality, the MOU requires amendment b...

Stephen Doughty | 732 c125 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister give way again?

Tom Tugendhat | 732 c125 (Link to this contribution)

I will, because the hon. Gentleman is an old friend.

Stephen Doughty | 732 c125 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister will be aware of Lords amendment 130, which relates to the sovereign base areas of A...

Tom Tugendhat | 732 cc125-6 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has tempted me to approach the issue a little early in my speech, but let me p...

Holly Lynch | 732 cc126-8 (Link to this contribution)

We on the Labour Benches are in no doubt about the importance of the Bill. Transnational repressi...

Julian Lewis | 732 c127 (Link to this contribution)

For the record, I think I should say that during her very short tenure the current Prime Minister...

Holly Lynch | 732 cc127-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Chair of the ISC for that clarification. It was indeed a short tenure, and w...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 732 c130 (Link to this contribution)

I call the Chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee.

Julian Lewis | 732 c130 (Link to this contribution)

It is clear from the opening contributions of both Front Benchers that there is a considerable de...

Theresa Villiers | 732 c130 (Link to this contribution)

I very much agree with everything my right hon. Friend has said. Does he agree that we will need ...

Julian Lewis | 732 c130 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my right hon. Friend, a fellow member of the Committee, because that i...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 732 c131 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is highlighting what he sees as benefits, but does he agree that clauses...

Julian Lewis | 732 c131 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding of the legislation—someone from the Intelligence and Security Committee is due t...

Bob Stewart | 732 c131 (Link to this contribution)

The problem is that classified information sometimes has to be used to prove something like this,...

Julian Lewis | 732 cc131-2 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and gallant Friend underlines my point, which is that, in proving damage has been d...

Alison Thewliss | 732 c132 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree that we should be guarding against this. Does the right hon. Gentleman agree t...

Julian Lewis | 732 cc132-3 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that it will always be difficult to man the defences sufficiently against people who appl...

Jeremy Wright | 732 c133 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that one curiosity of this debate is that earlier this afternoon ...

Julian Lewis | 732 c133 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. My right hon. and learned Friend is far too modest to say that his input, as a former...

Bob Stewart | 732 c133 (Link to this contribution)

In short, we have to revise the MOU because at the moment we on the ISC cannot do our job properl...

Julian Lewis | 732 c133 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that strong support. It should not have been necessary for people in the upper ...

Owen Thompson | 732 c134 (Link to this contribution)

As a relatively new member of the ISC, I am finding it extremely perplexing to try to understand ...

Julian Lewis | 732 c134 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s support and I take this opportunity to pay tribute to...

Julian Lewis | 732 cc134-6 (Link to this contribution)

I see that he is nodding. Should he wish to elaborate on that a little more, that would be even m...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 732 c136 (Link to this contribution)

Before I call the SNP spokesperson, let me say that, obviously, this debate is time limited, and ...

Stuart C McDonald | 732 c136 (Link to this contribution)

Once again, it is a pleasure to have the opportunity to scrutinise what we recognise as an extrem...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 732 c136 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to go back to the point that I made to the Chair of the ISC, who is a very good friend and...

Stuart C McDonald | 732 cc137-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for intervening. His constituent’s case is one that I had in mind...

Jeremy Wright | 732 cc138-140 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in this debate, and also grateful to my right hon. Fri...

Alistair Carmichael | 732 cc140-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to amendment (c) in my name and in those of the right hon. Member for Haltemprice an...

John McDonnell | 732 cc142-3 (Link to this contribution)

I offer my support to the right hon. Member for Orkney and Shetland (Mr Carmichael) for his amend...

Chris Bryant | 732 cc143-4 (Link to this contribution)

I start where my right hon. Friend the Member for Hayes and Harlington (John McDonnell) finished....

Tom Tugendhat | 732 cc144-5 (Link to this contribution)

First, I thank the hon. Member for Halifax (Holly Lynch) for the contribution she made and the sp...

Bob Stewart | 732 c145 (Link to this contribution)

I accept the Minister’s points on the Official Secrets Act 1989 and the fact that it is complicat...

Tom Tugendhat | 732 cc145-6 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend tempts me in a direction I would love to go in, but in the minutes I have le...

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