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NATO and International Security

Debate on Thursday, 19 May 2022, in the House of Commons, led by Ben Wallace. The answering member was John Healey.
Motion that this House has considered NATO and international security. Agreed to on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

714 cc908-946 

Session

2022-23

Department

Ministry of Defence

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Proceeding contributions

Ben Wallace | 714 c910 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered NATO and international security.

I am g...

John Baron | 714 c910 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend will have had sight of the 2022 Defence Committee report and its recommendat...


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Ben Wallace | 714 c910 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point about resource. I have always said that, as the threat ch...

Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi | 714 c911 (Link to this contribution)

Having served as a Member of the NATO Parliamentary Assembly, I am glad that both the Government ...

Ben Wallace | 714 c911 (Link to this contribution)

Turkey is an incredibly important member of NATO, and indeed a strong contributor to it. We shoul...

Lord Beamish | 714 c911 (Link to this contribution)

I again put on record my thanks to the Secretary of State for his leadership during the present c...

Ben Wallace | 714 c912 (Link to this contribution)

NATO and many of its member countries are no different from the United Kingdom in that many of th...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 714 c912 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with everything that the Secretary of State has just said, but does it not mak...

Ben Wallace | 714 c912 (Link to this contribution)

We have a defence and security treaty with the 30 members of NATO, nearly every one of which is i...

Lord Spellar | 714 c912 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry that the Secretary of State missed that opportunity to ask what the SNP policy actuall...

Ben Wallace | 714 cc912-5 (Link to this contribution)

I was one of the soldiers in north-west Germany at the time and there was always a desire after t...

Lord Spellar | 714 c914 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State says, “If Sweden and Finland are successful”. Surely they have to be succe...

Ben Wallace | 714 cc914-6 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree. When Britain says that we want to support them, we want them to succeed. We will...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 714 c916 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to this in my own remarks, but the policy happened 10 years ago this autumn.

Ben Wallace | 714 c916 (Link to this contribution)

Well, when I sat in the Scottish Parliament, I think NATO and the SNP did not go together.

Ben Wallace | 714 c916 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, maybe it was. But let us not forget that NATO is a nuclear alliance. There is a danger that ...

Ben Wallace | 714 cc916-7 (Link to this contribution)

And Welsh.

I welcome the close working and clear support from the Labour party on Ukraine a...

John Healey | 714 c917 (Link to this contribution)

May I start by paying tribute to the men and women in Britain’s armed forces, who are deployed ac...

Stuart Anderson | 714 c917 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Minister mentioned the Indo-Pacific tilt, which we have been looking at in the Defence...

John Healey | 714 c918 (Link to this contribution)

Of course the hon. Gentleman is right, but the first and most acute threat, underlined by the bru...

Liam Fox | 714 c918 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

John Healey | 714 c918 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the right hon. Gentleman and then underline the point that I have just made.

Liam Fox | 714 c918 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way. I do not disagree with the fundamental ...

John Healey | 714 c918 (Link to this contribution)

No one on our Front Bench or in the House would disagree with that analysis. Our response was too...

Lord Beamish | 714 c918 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. We took our eye off the ball. But I will not have lectures from the right hon. Member fo...

John Healey | 714 cc918-9 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is right. I really do not want to make these sorts of points this afternoon,...

John Healey | 714 c919 (Link to this contribution)

Before I give way, may I in parenthesis say to the Secretary of State that the House is still loo...

Ben Wallace | 714 c919 (Link to this contribution)

I will just, out of courtesy, give the hon. Gentleman an update. The delay is simply the other co...

John Healey | 714 c919 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the progress report from the Secretary of State on that commitment, which I thi...

Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi | 714 c919 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend the shadow Secretary of State for Defence. I am glad that he is maki...

John Healey | 714 c919 (Link to this contribution)

I do indeed, and I am sure that my hon. Friend also discussed Norway’s contribution to the joint ...

John Baron | 714 c919 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

John Healey | 714 c919 (Link to this contribution)

I will indeed, but then perhaps I had better get on with my speech.

John Baron | 714 c919 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is being very generous, and I will be brief. He mentioned weapons system...

John Healey | 714 c919 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is exactly right. One of the most useful and effective weapons for the Ukraini...

Lord Spellar | 714 c920 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend has touched on what seems to be the key lesson of the recent procurement iss...

John Healey | 714 cc920-1 (Link to this contribution)

I think that it does. It requires a steady flow of orders, it requires a stronger commitment to d...

Jeremy Corbyn | 714 c921 (Link to this contribution)

Would my right hon. Friend agree that the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, originally conceived ...

John Healey | 714 c921 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is right in many respects. Some of the most significant arms reduction and a...

Lord Beamish | 714 c921 (Link to this contribution)

I concur with what my right hon. Friend has said, but is it not the case that we now need to be m...

John Healey | 714 c921 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is right. Clear and consistent communication is part of having an effective ...

Bernard Jenkin | 714 c921 (Link to this contribution)

Would the right hon. Gentleman dare to go a little further and acknowledge the truth, which is th...

John Healey | 714 c922 (Link to this contribution)

I would agree with the contention that possession has helped to hold the peace, but as my right h...

John Hayes | 714 cc922-3 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the right hon. Gentleman will excuse me for not being here at the beginning of his speech ...

John Healey | 714 c923 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether the right hon. Gentleman means to catch your eye, Mr Deputy Speaker, but he...

Wayne David | 714 c923 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that we all have to deal with the difficulty of the Russians’ app...

John Healey | 714 cc923-4 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, there is certainly a willingness to threaten to use such weapons. The escalation of Presi...

Jeremy Corbyn | 714 c925 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for the remark he just made about future diplomacy. Does he not thin...

John Healey | 714 c925 (Link to this contribution)

I see it not as a big problem but as a necessary response. The right hon. Gentleman is right abou...

Nigel Evans | 714 c925 (Link to this contribution)

Order. As the House can see, a number of Members wish to participate in this relatively short deb...

Julian Lewis | 714 cc925-6 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much for calling me to speak so early, Mr Deputy Speaker. When one has discussed t...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 714 cc926-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is always a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for New Forest East (Dr Lewis), but I am ...

Bob Stewart | 714 c928 (Link to this contribution)

On Monday and Tuesday, I had a long conversation with Ukrainian politicians on the border. They s...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 714 cc928-9 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with any of that. I am not sure whether perhaps the right hon. Gentleman has mi...

Nigel Evans | 714 c929 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The wind-ups will begin no later than 4.40 pm. Six Members want to participate, so I am lo...

Bernard Jenkin | 714 c929 (Link to this contribution)

I will be as quick as I can. It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Glasgow South (Stewar...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 714 c929 (Link to this contribution)

I will be brief, as I have just given a long speech. When we put this matter to Scottish people i...

Bernard Jenkin | 714 cc929-931 (Link to this contribution)

The answer is that it is one of the policies that encourages Scots to vote to remain in the Unite...

Nigel Evans | 714 c931 (Link to this contribution)

Let us say eight minutes, then everyone will get about equal time.

3.59 pm

Lord Beamish | 714 cc931-3 (Link to this contribution)

I begin by thanking the members of our armed forces—the men and women who work 24 hours a day, 36...

Stuart Anderson | 714 cc933-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is an honour to follow the right hon. Member for North Durham (Mr Jones), from whom I have lea...

Wayne David | 714 cc935-6 (Link to this contribution)

Yesterday afternoon, I had the privilege to chair a fascinating discussion with Members of both H...

Jack Lopresti | 714 cc936-8 (Link to this contribution)

The ongoing terrible events in Ukraine remind us that we need to make sure that we not only maint...

Nigel Evans | 714 c938 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The winding- up speeches must begin no later than 4.40 pm. I call Mr Baron.

4.30 pm<...

John Baron | 714 cc938-941 (Link to this contribution)

Let me start by commending the Secretary of State and his Front-Bench team for their leadership o...

Luke Pollard | 714 cc941-3 (Link to this contribution)

Labour’s commitment to NATO is unshakable. Eighty-five days ago, when Russia illegally invaded Uk...

James Heappey | 714 cc943-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all colleagues for their contributions to the debate. As ever over the past four or five ...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 714 c944 (Link to this contribution)

I will be brief. After a vote for independence, who will the nuclear deterrent belong to?

James Heappey | 714 c944 (Link to this contribution)

I am trying hard to follow the question. The answer is either that it belongs to the United Kingd...

James Heappey | 714 c944 (Link to this contribution)

Yet the hon. Gentleman’s position and that of his party is that he would want to join an alliance...

Lord Beamish | 714 c944 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. The argument is clear: NATO is a nuclear alliance. SNP Members always refer to other cou...

James Heappey | 714 cc944-5 (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting point. It seems to me that NATO is one of the most powerful arguments for ...

James Heappey | 714 cc945-6 (Link to this contribution)

If my hon. Friend does not mind, I will push on because I have only a minute and a half to go.

Nigel Evans | 714 c946 (Link to this contribution)

It has been my honour to chair this debate.

Question put and agreed to.

Resolved,

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