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Economic Crime (Transparency and Enforcement) Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Monday, 7 March 2022, in the House of Commons, led by Paul Scully.
Committee stage. Clause 1, debated with clauses 2-55, amendments, Government amendments and new clauses. Clause 1 agreed to. Clauses 2-7 agreed to. Clause 8, amendments made. Clause 8, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 9-15 agreed to. Clause 16, amendment made. Clause 16, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 17-25 agreed to. Clause 26, amendment made. Clause 26, as amended, agreed to. Clause 27-50 agreed to. Clause 51, amendment made. Clause 51, as amended, agreed to. Clause 52, agreed to. Clauses 53-54, amendments made. Clauses 53-54, as amended, agreed to. Clause 55 agreed to. New clauses 31-39 agreed to. Manuscript amendment 63 agreed to. Government manuscript new clause 41 agreed to. New clause 2 negatived on division (229 to 303). New clause 7 negatived on division (225 to 306). New clause 29 negatived on division (234 to 300). Schedules 3-4, amendments made. Schedules 3-4, as amended, agreed to. Schedule 5 agreed to. Bill as amended, reported. Bill as amended in Committee, considered. Third reading. Agreed to on question. Bill passed.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

710 cc81-164 

Session

2021-22

Legislative stage

Committee stage, Third reading and Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Economic Crime (Transparency and Enforcement) Bill 2021-22
Tuesday, 1 March 2022
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 710 c81 (Link to this contribution)

The selection paper includes three manuscript amendments that the Chairman of Ways and Means has ...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 710 cc81-95 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Clauses 2 and 3 stand part.


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Paul Scully | 710 c95 (Link to this contribution)

Over the last 10 days, the world has watched the actions of Vladimir Putin in shock and horror. T...

Chris Bryant | 710 c95 (Link to this contribution)

Amendments 24 and 25 would require that, when someone is registering or updating, they also have ...

Paul Scully | 710 c95 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I have spoken to colleagues across the House. We...

Paul Scully | 710 cc95-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way for a second, because I want to ensure that we can cover the ground. I will d...

Stewart Hosie | 710 c96 (Link to this contribution)

Schedule 2, paragraph 6 describes a beneficial owner as meaning someone, for example, who

“...

Paul Scully | 710 c96 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for that point; it comes back to something that was said in the ...

Paul Scully | 710 cc96-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will not just because I want to make sure that we can cover all the areas, and we will be short...

Paul Scully | 710 c97 (Link to this contribution)

I will—the hon. Lady has been trying so hard.

Angela Eagle | 710 c97 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way finally, but it all counts. He seemed to be saying to colleag...

Paul Scully | 710 c97 (Link to this contribution)

I will cover the amendments more fully in my closing remarks, once they have been spoken to. None...

Sammy Wilson | 710 c97 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister accept that many of the amendments have been tabled today because people genuin...

Paul Scully | 710 c98 (Link to this contribution)

There are a number of amendments and they do not all do what is intended. On amendments 24 to 26,...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c98 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that the Government accept amendments 24 to 26 in principle and will work in ...

Paul Scully | 710 c98 (Link to this contribution)

Essentially, yes. We want to make sure that we can work with hon. Members on that. I do not want ...

David Davis | 710 c98 (Link to this contribution)

I would like this to be rendered in English for the world at large to understand. If the Minister...

Paul Scully | 710 c98 (Link to this contribution)

First, I thought that when I said, “Essentially, yes,” it was a clear, two-word answer to a simpl...

Liam Byrne | 710 c98 (Link to this contribution)

We can see that the sanctions regulations will become much stronger, but our sanctions regime is ...

Paul Scully | 710 cc98-9 (Link to this contribution)

I think the right hon. Gentleman comes from a place of supporting the proposal from my right hon....

Sammy Wilson | 710 c99 (Link to this contribution)

There should not be any part of the United Kingdom where money can be hidden or moved to be hidde...

Paul Scully | 710 c99 (Link to this contribution)

As I say, the Bill touches on devolved matters in Scotland and Northern Ireland in particular. Id...

Sammy Wilson | 710 c99 (Link to this contribution)

Given what has happened in Northern Ireland as a result of the Northern Ireland protocol and so o...

Paul Scully | 710 c99 (Link to this contribution)

We will be moving on it so that it does apply in Northern Ireland. It is really important that we...

Seema Malhotra | 710 cc99-103 (Link to this contribution)

On my own behalf and on behalf of my hon. Friend the Member for Halifax (Holly Lynch), it is a pl...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c103 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to be called so early in the debate, and I rise to speak to the amendments standing...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c103 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way first to the hon. Member for Walthamstow (Stella Creasy) and then to the hon. Mem...

Stella Creasy | 710 c103 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my neighbour for giving way. Does he agree that many of our constituents will be looking ...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c104 (Link to this contribution)

Yes. I take the hon. Lady’s point. The point I am making is that we should rightly assume that th...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c104 (Link to this contribution)

First, I will give way to the hon. Member for Oxford West and Abingdon.

Layla Moran | 710 c104 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to make the point that was just made: we should expect oligarchs to abide by the same...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c104 (Link to this contribution)

We all have to stop agreeing like this, as it will give the House a bad reputation.

Robert Buckland | 710 c104 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making an important point. I have looked at these amendments. Is not the ...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c104 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. and learned Friend. I always bow to him in the knowledge of the la...

Nusrat Ghani | 710 c104 (Link to this contribution)

It is important to note that these amendments in my right hon. Friend’s name, my name and those o...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c104 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly correct. All we are doing is asking for the UK to be at the same level as the Uni...

Anthony Mangnall | 710 c105 (Link to this contribution)

Can my right hon. Friend tell me whether his amendment, and the Bill, will address the issue of n...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c105 (Link to this contribution)

They should, because the individual has to declare the whole chain. “Not knowing” would be no exc...

Kevin Hollinrake | 710 c105 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that my right hon. Friend is correct. The Bill defines a legal entity as

“a b...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c105 (Link to this contribution)

It might not, but I think it would, because it covers the information that individuals are asked ...

Baroness Hodge of Barking | 710 c105 (Link to this contribution)

I think we are all wandering around the same point. May I clarify it? The Minister agreed to look...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c105 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that clarity is everything in this instance. The Bill will be going to the other place, a...

Robert Jenrick | 710 c105 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to sow further confusion, but I think that the point made by our hon. Friend the Me...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c106 (Link to this contribution)

Let me simply say that the purpose of this debate is to tease out exactly that. I wish that we ha...

Paul Scully | 710 c106 (Link to this contribution)

I will cover this at the end of the debate, but I should like to work with my right hon. Friend o...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c106 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend. I take it from what he has said that he accepts amendments 24, 2...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c106 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful.

Let me end by saying to my hon. Friend that this legislation is probably one...

Alison Thewliss | 710 cc106-8 (Link to this contribution)

I want to speak about the amendments and new clauses in my name and those of my colleagues. I ref...

Nigel Evans | 710 c108 (Link to this contribution)

Order. There are far too many private conversations taking place, and I am finding it difficult t...

Alison Thewliss | 710 c108 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I was talking about people buying their seats at party fundraisers ...

Anthony Mangnall | 710 c108 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting the hon. Lady, who is making a brilliant speech. On her point about ...

Alison Thewliss | 710 c108 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an excellent point, and I hope the Minister was listening carefully. We ...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 710 c109 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to see the amendments that would lower the threshold to 10%. In the prelegislative s...

Alison Thewliss | 710 cc109-110 (Link to this contribution)

I have not received that assurance from the Minister, but I would be glad to do so. The hon. Memb...

Angela Eagle | 710 c110 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady share my frustration, which was widely voiced in the Treasury Committee when w...

Alison Thewliss | 710 cc110-2 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is right. This is entirely inadequate. With every day that passes, more and more gu...

David Davis | 710 c113 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak solely to cross-party new clause 29. It is a very simple clause with a simple purpos...

Angela Eagle | 710 c113 (Link to this contribution)

I am a big supporter of the right hon. Gentleman’s new clause. President Zelensky is to address u...

David Davis | 710 cc113-4 (Link to this contribution)

It would be good. It would allow us to crack down more effectively; not so much more quickly but ...

Kevin Hollinrake | 710 c114 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

David Davis | 710 c114 (Link to this contribution)

Not for the moment; I am just about to finish the point. To move rapidly is the only way to ensur...

Kevin Hollinrake | 710 c114 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful. My right hon. Friend’s new clause is very important but, as he would probably...

David Davis | 710 c114 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I do, but my hon. Friend must bear in mind that the burden in the new clause—the responsibil...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c114 (Link to this contribution)

I was not going to intervene on my right hon. Friend but I have been looking back over the list i...

David Davis | 710 cc114-5 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, my right hon. Friend makes a good point. The reason why gifting and transferring to relative...

Anthony Mangnall | 710 c115 (Link to this contribution)

The presumption of innocence must surely be broad and not subjective in respect of any one indivi...

David Davis | 710 c115 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. If we put the measure in place, there would be a decision at some point ...

Baroness Hodge of Barking | 710 cc115-7 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak specifically to new clause 2, on the funding of enforcement agencies, but I wish ...

John Baron | 710 c117 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Member knows that I am supporting her amendment tonight, but may I suggest that we...

Baroness Hodge of Barking | 710 c117 (Link to this contribution)

It always seems to me absurd that it costs £12 to establish a new company in Companies House. Obv...

Iain Duncan Smith | 710 c117 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the right hon. Lady can see some way forward on a point that I made earlier. Eur...

Baroness Hodge of Barking | 710 c118 (Link to this contribution)

There are already arrangements for the sharing of information and data, but it is not enough. It ...

Damian Collins | 710 c118 (Link to this contribution)

On this point about information sharing, which is so important, we have an established financial ...

Baroness Hodge of Barking | 710 cc118-9 (Link to this contribution)

Cryptocurrency has become the new way in which money is laundered. Corrupt and stolen money ends ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 710 c119 (Link to this contribution)

We have a great many amendments to consider this evening, and it would not be right if the people...

Kevin Hollinrake | 710 cc119-120 (Link to this contribution)

It is a real pleasure to speak after the right hon. Member for Barking (Dame Margaret Hodge). We ...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 710 c120 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a very good speech on the importance of that relationship between th...

Kevin Hollinrake | 710 c120 (Link to this contribution)

That is what it will do. It is a public register, of course, so the beneficial owner will be reve...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 710 c120 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We are not having this—we are getting on with things. Otherwise, people who have something...

Kevin Hollinrake | 710 c120 (Link to this contribution)

I was just trying to establish whether this would be done in the Lords if it was not done here to...

Kevin Hollinrake | 710 cc120-1 (Link to this contribution)

He is nodding—thank you very much. Hansard have got it on record that he is nodding. That is very...

Philip Dunne | 710 c121 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend—by the way, I support enormously what he has been saying about the banking frauds—...

Kevin Hollinrake | 710 cc121-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for my right hon. Friend’s support.

I will press new clauses 14 and 27 to a v...

Stella Creasy | 710 cc122-4 (Link to this contribution)

We are all acutely aware of just how important this Bill is. In less than 24 hours, this House wi...

Kieran Mullan | 710 cc123-7 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of amendment 64. Economic crime is an issue that should always have th...

Chris Bryant | 710 c127 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid I thought that was an utterly shabby little speech.

Chris Bryant | 710 c127 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member has only just spoken, so no, I am not going to give way. I think that speech was ...

Chris Bryant | 710 cc127-9 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give way to the hon. Gentleman. I remind him what happened on 1 May 2018 when we d...

Robert Neill | 710 cc128-131 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I am now going to reduce the level of excitement by returning to some rather tec...

Layla Moran | 710 cc130-2 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to the amendments in my name: new clause 5 and, in particular, amendment 4, which...

Sarah Olney | 710 cc132-3 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech. On the point about horses bolting, I want to mentio...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 710 c133 (Link to this contribution)

Order. That was a very long intervention and it was too confusing. Was the hon. Lady speaking abo...

Sarah Olney | 710 c133 (Link to this contribution)

I was talking about my new clause 13—

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 710 c133 (Link to this contribution)

It is not the hon. Lady’s new clause; it is down as the Liberal Democrats’ new clause. Is it the ...

Sarah Olney | 710 c133 (Link to this contribution)

I beg your pardon, Dame Eleanor. The new clause is in my name, but I apologise for taking too lon...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 710 c133 (Link to this contribution)

We have to be careful not to allow things to be confused at Committee stage. Everyone gets their ...

Layla Moran | 710 c133 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I thank my hon. Friend for her intervention. When the Secretary ...

Robert Buckland | 710 c133 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening carefully to the hon. Lady’s speech, and she is making an understandable po...

Layla Moran | 710 c133 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. and learned Gentleman for his helpful intervention. I would rather that we...

Liam Byrne | 710 cc133-5 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you for calling me to speak, Dame Eleanor. I thank the Minister for his presentation to the...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 710 c135 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I appreciate that the right hon. Gentleman has a long list. It is enlivening proceedings a...

Liam Byrne | 710 cc135-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for your guidance, Dame Eleanor, because I think I have made my point: the Governme...

David Linden | 710 c136 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to amendment 63, which stands in my name and those of my colleagues. I am gratefu...

Cat Smith | 710 c136 (Link to this contribution)

The point made earlier by my hon. Friend the Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant) was that so much o...

David Linden | 710 c136 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for that. Even the Minister who is piloting the Elections Bill thr...

Sam Tarry | 710 c137 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

David Linden | 710 c137 (Link to this contribution)

If I may, I will continue.

The genesis of my amendment comes from the fact that the Bill, a...

Hywel Williams | 710 cc137-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is both telling and deeply disappointing that it has taken a vicious and horrific conflict to ...

Angela Eagle | 710 c138 (Link to this contribution)

I support all the amendments that are intended to close loopholes in this long-overdue legislatio...

Kim Johnson | 710 cc138-9 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of new clauses 7 and 8, but I want to start by expressing my solidarit...

Paul Scully | 710 cc139-140 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all hon. Members who have spoken in this important debate for their constructive approach...

Chris Bryant | 710 c141 (Link to this contribution)

The more we can present a united front—particularly tomorrow—the better, so I will of course not ...

Paul Scully | 710 cc141-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the spirit the hon. Gentleman shows.

Let me turn to new clause 29, tabled...

Nigel Evans | 710 c159 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I understand that some pass readers in the No Lobby are not working, so we are extending t...

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