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Health and Care Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 23 November 2021, in the House of Commons, led by Sajid Javid. The answering member was Jonathan Ashworth.
Report stage (second day). New clause 36, debated with Government new clauses 37-48, new clauses 1, 12, 21, 22, 28, 29, amendments and Government amendments. New clauses 36-48 agreed to. New clause 12 negatived on division (240 to 304). Clause 34, amendment 10, negatived on division (219 to 280). Clause 121, amendment 24, clause 127, amendment 127, clause 137, amendments 86 and 87, agreed to. New Schedule 1 agreed to. Schedule 13, amendment 88 made. New clause 62, debated with new clauses 13, 18-20, 23-27, 30-32, 34, 35, 50-54, 56, 60, 61, 63, 64, amendments and Government amendments. New clauses 19, 62 agreed to. Clause 33, amendment 83, clause 37, amendment 84, amendments made. Clause 39, amendment 70, negatived on division (191 to 307). Clauses 76, 87, 93, 122, and 128, amendments made. Clause 155, amendment 82, negatived on division (239 to 311). Clause 138, amendments made. Third reading agreed to on division (294 to 244). Bill passed.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

704 cc201-317 

Session

2021-22

Legislative stage

Third reading and Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Proceeding contributions

Edward Argar | 704 c201 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 704 cc201-5 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Government new clause 37—Offence ...


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Edward Argar | 704 cc205-7 (Link to this contribution)

This broad group of amendments concern improving patient safety and the quality of health and car...

Lord Grayling | 704 c207 (Link to this contribution)

I am particularly concerned about the workforce situation in primary care. In my constituency, th...

Edward Argar | 704 cc208-9 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is perspicacious in his prediction of where I was about to go. I was about t...

Richard Fuller | 704 c209 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. There is much to commend in the amendment of my rig...

Edward Argar | 704 c209 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. We see huge opportunities, almost every day, from new technol...

Emma Hardy | 704 c209 (Link to this contribution)

As part of the Minister’s workforce review, will he look at the Carr-Hill formula, which local GP...

Edward Argar | 704 c209 (Link to this contribution)

The Carr-Hill formula has been through many “almost reviews” over the years and has been looked a...

Rachael Maskell | 704 c210 (Link to this contribution)

Fifteen years is a long time in workforce planning. The make-up of the workforce could change sig...

Edward Argar | 704 c210 (Link to this contribution)

I set out the commissioning of the 15-year framework to look at need. Within that, the House will...

Andrew Murrison | 704 c210 (Link to this contribution)

New clause 29(2)(d) has merits, as I am sure the Minister will accept, in that we need to incenti...

Edward Argar | 704 cc211-2 (Link to this contribution)

As ever, my right hon. Friend—my friend—makes his point well, and, as ever, I will commit to taki...

Edward Argar | 704 c212 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, of course, although I do so with a degree of trepidation, because the hon. Lady is well vers...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c212 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister does not need to be anxious, because he has already heard it all in Committee. Does ...

Edward Argar | 704 cc212-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the manner in which the hon. Lady puts her points. She is right; we have debate...

Justin Madders | 704 c213 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his introduction. It seems like only yesterday that we were having a sim...

Jeremy Hunt | 704 c213 (Link to this contribution)

May I just comment that it feels a lot better this time?

Justin Madders | 704 cc213-4 (Link to this contribution)

Let us just say that the more I hear of the right hon. Gentleman, the more I like what he has to ...

Alex Sobel | 704 c214 (Link to this contribution)

A doctor in my constituency, Dr Tom James, told me that he and his colleagues in the hospital wer...

Justin Madders | 704 c214 (Link to this contribution)

New clause 29 and amendment 10 are the starting point, not the whole answer. They are a framework...

Rachael Maskell | 704 c214 (Link to this contribution)

Anyone who on Sunday was on the March with Midwives will understand the real crisis now facing th...

Justin Madders | 704 c214 (Link to this contribution)

Like just about every profession and sector in the NHS, midwives are under tremendous pressure an...

Emma Hardy | 704 c214 (Link to this contribution)

One reason I want to emphasise the importance of new clause 28 is that we are anticipating a grea...

Justin Madders | 704 c214 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is correct; we could not have anticipated what has happened in the past 12 to 18 m...

Richard Fuller | 704 c214 (Link to this contribution)

I want to pick up on the increasing demand for mental health services. Does the hon. Gentleman ac...

Justin Madders | 704 c215 (Link to this contribution)

We are always looking at ways to improve productivity, but we know that on the current figures th...

Munira Wilson | 704 c215 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for North East Bedfordshire (Richard Fuller) talks about efficiency, but the figu...

Justin Madders | 704 c215 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for her intervention. The point about agencies and locum spend is not a n...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c215 (Link to this contribution)

Having spent over three decades in the NHS, I know that this is not just about senior staff and w...

Justin Madders | 704 c215 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for her intervention. Indeed, this actually covers some of the debate we ...

Andrew Murrison | 704 c215 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member is being generous in giving way. Would he avoid the temptation to suggest that pr...

Justin Madders | 704 cc215-6 (Link to this contribution)

I accept what the right hon. Member has said. There has been a gap in investment in IT and other ...

Rachael Maskell | 704 c216 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree with me that many of the recruitment challenges often sit in outsourced...

Justin Madders | 704 cc216-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for her intervention and I will later talk a little about outsourcing and ...

Richard Holden | 704 c217 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for giving way, and I apologise to the Minister for not being here at the...

Justin Madders | 704 cc219-220 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Member for his intervention. I think he is being very modest, but he is absolute...

Jeremy Hunt | 704 cc220-1 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of amendment 10 but, before I do, I also want to express strong suppor...

Jim Shannon | 704 c221 (Link to this contribution)

I commend the right hon. Gentleman for amendment 10. With 2,700 vacant nursing posts in Northern ...

Jeremy Hunt | 704 c221 (Link to this contribution)

I believe it will. I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for raising that issue, because medical tr...

Munira Wilson | 704 c221 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the right hon. Gentleman on amendment 10 and on how he has built such a coalition ...

Jeremy Hunt | 704 cc221-2 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady gives a good example, because mental health is an area that we have all recently co...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c222 (Link to this contribution)

It is not just that patients prefer to see a doctor long term. There are safety issues when locum...

Jeremy Hunt | 704 c222 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with the hon. Lady, who knows about acute services. I also point to recent evi...

Andrew Murrison | 704 c222 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Central Ayrshire (Dr Whitford) is absolutely right about acute safety; I spea...

Jeremy Hunt | 704 cc222-3 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is right that there are problems with the GP contract. I do not want to get ...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c223 (Link to this contribution)

All Governments in the UK are expanding medical school places and trying to train more students, ...

Jeremy Hunt | 704 c223 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is absolutely right. Medical school, the foundation years and, as my right hon. Fri...

Greg Clark | 704 c223 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making an excellent speech, and I strongly support his amendment. Will he...

Jeremy Hunt | 704 c223 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend speaks about these issues with a great deal of knowledge, given his former m...

Rachael Maskell | 704 c224 (Link to this contribution)

One of the key workforces is, of course, in public health, where the aim is to shift the balance ...

Jeremy Hunt | 704 c224 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady, who before entering this place spent her time campaigning to support NHS a...

Philippa Whitford | 704 cc224-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to follow the Chair of the Health and Social Care Committee, and, in this rather u...

Laura Trott | 704 cc225-7 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak mainly to new clause 1, but I cannot start without paying tribute to my hon. Friend ...

Margaret Greenwood | 704 cc227-9 (Link to this contribution)

The Health and Care Bill allows for

“a profession currently regulated to be removed from st...

Andrew Mitchell | 704 cc229-230 (Link to this contribution)

I draw the House’s attention to my interests, which are set out in the Register of Members’ Finan...

Dawn Butler | 704 cc230-1 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of new clause 12, which stands in my name and those of many hon. Membe...

Taiwo Owatemi | 704 c231 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to put on record my support for nurses, particularly on Nursing Support Workers’ Day...

Dawn Butler | 704 c231 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a valid and valuable point. One way we can show our appreciation for nurses’...

Caroline Nokes | 704 cc231-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to contribute to this debate and specifically to speak to new clause 1, tabled i...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c232 (Link to this contribution)

Along with the damage to patients who trustingly go for such procedures, is it not also about the...

Caroline Nokes | 704 cc232-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for using exactly that term because she is right: it is about the NHS picki...

Tonia Antoniazzi | 704 cc233-4 (Link to this contribution)

I could speak about so many aspects of the Bill—such as the U-turn on the social care cap, the la...

Richard Graham | 704 cc234-6 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak on amendment 10. I want to start by relaying a conversation that I had soon after...

Lord Beamish | 704 cc236-9 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support new clause 1, which stands in the name of the right hon. Member for Romsey and ...

Paul Bristow | 704 cc239-240 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to amendment 10 in the name of my right hon. Friend the Member for South West Sur...

Clive Lewis | 704 c240 (Link to this contribution)

Listening to the hon. Member’s speech, I think he is giving the game away in some ways, because w...

Paul Bristow | 704 c241 (Link to this contribution)

I would ask the hon. Member to listen a bit more carefully, because nowhere have I said admin sho...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c241 (Link to this contribution)

I gently point out that surgeons do not just operate—we run clinics; we run endoscopy lists and c...

Paul Bristow | 704 c241 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Lady that surgeons work incredibly hard. What I am talking about is operati...

Ben Spencer | 704 c241 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the challenges for primary care is that general practitione...

Paul Bristow | 704 cc241-2 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend speaks with much experience and makes a powerful point. I think he would agree tha...

Sarah Olney | 704 cc242-3 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of amendment 10, tabled by the right hon. Member for South West Surrey...

Lord Beamish | 704 c243 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree that it is not just about levels of pay and uncertainty for those indivi...

Sarah Olney | 704 cc243-4 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right, and that is the point I want to make: we need to bo...

Nigel Evans | 704 c244 (Link to this contribution)

I have three people indicating that they wish to speak. I ask people to make really short contrib...

Matt Warman | 704 cc244-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will be brief, Mr Deputy Speaker. I should declare that I am married to a doctor.

Staff a...

Richard Holden | 704 c245 (Link to this contribution)

I shall keep my comments very brief. I apologise to the Minister for not having been here for his...

Derek Thomas | 704 cc245-6 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak on amendment 10 on workforce planning, in the name of my right hon. Friend the Me...

Edward Argar | 704 c246 (Link to this contribution)

This is a little more generous than the six minutes I feared I might have to work with, Mr Deputy...

Richard Holden | 704 c247 (Link to this contribution)

Can I just say that the Minister has been absolutely superb in engaging throughout this process? ...

Edward Argar | 704 cc247-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who I think covered both bases there very eloquently. He makes a...

Edward Argar | 704 c248 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Member is going to be brief, I will of course give way to her.

Dawn Butler | 704 c248 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to quickly say that the Government’s response to Alison Leary’s very good petition sa...

Edward Argar | 704 cc248-250 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady, but we have had the Committee. We are now at the stage where we h...

Nigel Evans | 704 c265 (Link to this contribution)

We are now coming on to the next group of amendments. As hon. Members can see, we have only an ho...

Edward Argar | 704 c267 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Lindsay Hoyle | 704 cc267-278 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 13—National self-care ...

Edward Argar | 704 cc278-9 (Link to this contribution)

Being conscious of the time, I will endeavour to be brief and try to scoop up in my winding-up sp...

Nigel Evans | 704 c279 (Link to this contribution)

Fantastic. I am grateful to the Minister for his brevity; he can see how many people are trying t...

Justin Madders | 704 c279 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker—[Interruption.] It has been a long day, Mr Deputy Speaker, but we...

Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi | 704 c280 (Link to this contribution)

Many of my constituents find it increasingly difficult to book an appointment with an NHS GP or d...

Justin Madders | 704 cc280-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right that one of the criticisms we have levelled against the Bill is that it d...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 704 cc281-2 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of amendments 93 to 98, whose purpose is very simple.

The Health...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c282 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to my amendment 82, which is on legislative consent if the Bill is used in the de...

Matt Hancock | 704 c282 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support new clauses 60 and 61, which relate, like the amendments that the hon. Member f...

Geraint Davies | 704 cc282-3 (Link to this contribution)

Is the right hon. Gentleman aware that there is concern in Wales, where we are protecting the pri...

Matt Hancock | 704 c283 (Link to this contribution)

On the contrary: data protection laws are UK-wide, so it is appropriate that this should be done ...

Philippa Whitford | 704 c283 (Link to this contribution)

I simply point out that it is available; it is just that funding has to follow from the domestic ...

Matt Hancock | 704 c283 (Link to this contribution)

It happens on an ad hoc basis, but it is not a right. The NHS is a great British institution, and...

Baroness Keeley | 704 cc283-4 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to amendment 73, which would introduce safeguards around the discharge-to-assess ...

Daisy Cooper | 704 c284 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Member agree that it would be helpful if the NHS had a duty, as I have attempted to...

Baroness Keeley | 704 c284 (Link to this contribution)

I do indeed. The hon. Member may not know that, a few years ago, I introduced a Bill to try to pe...

John Baron | 704 c284 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you for calling me, Mr Deputy Speaker, and I thank Mr Speaker for selecting my new clause 1...

Jeremy Corbyn | 704 c284 (Link to this contribution)

I strongly support the new clause. Does the hon. Gentleman also recognise that there can be delay...

John Baron | 704 cc284-5 (Link to this contribution)

I tend to agree, and that is in part what the new clause is intended to address.

I chaired ...

John Baron | 704 cc285-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will not. I do apologise, but time is short.

New clause has been endorsed by the founding...

Nigel Evans | 704 c286 (Link to this contribution)

I must ask for brief contributions from now on. I call Margaret Greenwood.

Margaret Greenwood | 704 cc286-7 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker.

The proposed NHS payment scheme in the Bill will, in effect, ...

Fiona Bruce | 704 c287 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to speak to new clause 31 in my name, which would reduce the upper gestational limit...

Edward Leigh | 704 c287 (Link to this contribution)

Is it not absurd that in one ward of a hospital doctors can be fighting to save the life of a 22-...

Fiona Bruce | 704 cc287-8 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes exactly the right point.

Our law needs to be updated. The curren...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 704 c288 (Link to this contribution)

In order to try to get as many people in as possible, I am going to put on a three-minute time li...

Marie Rimmer | 704 cc288-9 (Link to this contribution)

Forced organ harvesting in China is one of the worst crimes against humanity of the 21st century....

Robin Millar | 704 c289 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to new clauses 60 and 61 in my name. Simply, they would put patients first. I am ...

Jonathan Edwards | 704 c289 (Link to this contribution)

I do not question that the hon. Gentleman’s new clause is well intentioned. Does he believe that ...

Robin Millar | 704 c290 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his question, which is a good and relevant one, and it speaks dire...

Emma Hardy | 704 c290 (Link to this contribution)

I will be brief, speaking to new clause 32 in my name. It is an amendment based on the proposed C...

Maria Miller | 704 cc290-1 (Link to this contribution)

I speak to new clause 50, tabled in my name and that of the right hon. Member for Kingston upon H...

Peter Dowd | 704 cc291-2 (Link to this contribution)

Yesterday, regrettably, the Minister did not respond to my exhortations on self-care in his summi...

Duncan Baker | 704 c292 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Peter Dowd | 704 c292 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I do not have time. Let the Secretary of State report on access to NHS dentistry...

David Simmonds | 704 c292 (Link to this contribution)

I will be exceptionally brief, Madam Deputy Speaker. I wish to speak on amendments 103 to 105. It...

Carla Lockhart | 704 cc292-3 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to speak to new clauses 51 and 52, both of which stand in my name. New clause 51 relates t...

Jim Shannon | 704 c293 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend share my concerns that a large number of people throughout the whole United K...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 704 c293 (Link to this contribution)

Order. That intervention is quite long enough.

Carla Lockhart | 704 c293 (Link to this contribution)

I will not push either of my new clauses to a vote. However, legal clarification on sex-selective...

Mike Penning | 704 c293 (Link to this contribution)

I support new clause 19, which I signed, and will wait to see what the Minister says about it.

Edward Argar | 704 cc293-4 (Link to this contribution)

This group of amendments has clearly been popular and it is a shame that more right hon. and hon....

John Baron | 704 c294 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister and the Government for listening and for accepting the new clause in its ent...

Edward Argar | 704 c294 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his intervention.

Let me turn briefly to amendments 93 ...

Edward Argar | 704 cc294-5 (Link to this contribution)

I fear that I do not have time to cover the other amendments in the four minutes that I have left...

Bob Seely | 704 c295 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister take my intervention?

Edward Argar | 704 c295 (Link to this contribution)

If my hon. Friend can do it in 10 seconds.

Bob Seely | 704 c295 (Link to this contribution)

Please, Minister, do not forget the unavoidably small hospitals, of which there are 12 in isolate...

Edward Argar | 704 c295 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has made his point. He has made it to me before. I will not forget either him or u...

Edward Argar | 704 c295 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I cannot give way, because I literally have two minutes. Forgive me, but if my h...

Peter Aldous | 704 c295 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend give way on that point?

Edward Argar | 704 c295 (Link to this contribution)

Okay, my hon. Friend has 10 seconds.

Peter Aldous | 704 c295 (Link to this contribution)

The No. 1 issue in my inbox is access to NHS dentistry. New clause 18 provides a framework for ad...

Edward Argar | 704 cc295-6 (Link to this contribution)

While we cannot accept that new clause as drafted today, I or the Minister for Dentistry will mee...

Sajid Javid | 704 cc305-310 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

For years, colleagues in health an...

Sajid Javid | 704 c310 (Link to this contribution)

Talking of the Opposition, I give way to the hon. Lady.

Margaret Greenwood | 704 c310 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State comment on the discharge-to-assess proposals? I am concerned, because...

Sajid Javid | 704 c310 (Link to this contribution)

I listened carefully to the hon. Lady and I will look into the specifics of what she said, but it...

Jim Shannon | 704 c310 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State referred to how the Bill delivers for the four regions of the United Kingd...

Sajid Javid | 704 c310 (Link to this contribution)

I heard what the hon. Gentleman said. He will know that there are strong feelings on the issue of...

John Redwood | 704 c311 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State confirm that, when carrying through this rather extensive national he...

Sajid Javid | 704 c311 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, absolutely, I can confirm that. My right hon. Friend is absolutely right to stress the impor...

Charles Walker | 704 c311 (Link to this contribution)

May I thank my right hon. Friend and his ministerial team for taking into account my concerns abo...

Sajid Javid | 704 cc311-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to give my hon. Friend the commitment that we will look at that. I think everyone in t...

Dan Poulter | 704 c312 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest as a practising NHS doctor. On integration, my slight disappointment with t...

Sajid Javid | 704 c312 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very important point and he speaks with deep experience. What I can tell h...

Andrew Murrison | 704 c312 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest similar to that of my hon. Friend the Member for Central Suffolk and North ...

Sajid Javid | 704 c312 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree with my right hon. Friend, who also speaks with deep experience. I very much a...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 704 cc312-3 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before I call the shadow Secretary of State, I should say that I will probably introduce a...

Jonathan Ashworth | 704 cc313-4 (Link to this contribution)

I start by thanking all those who served on the Bill team and the Clerks, the Library and all the...

Matt Hancock | 704 cc314-5 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the passage of the Bill and congratulate all those who have been involved in bringing i...

Peter Aldous | 704 c315 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to you for giving me time to speak, Madam Deputy Speaker. I would have liked to spe...

Bob Seely | 704 cc315-6 (Link to this contribution)

Let me start by thanking my hon. Friend the Member for Waveney (Peter Aldous) for that superb spe...

Jim Shannon | 704 cc316-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to be able to make some comments on Third Reading. The Secretary of State and th...

Maria Miller | 704 c317 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Jim Shannon | 704 c317 (Link to this contribution)

I have almost finished my speech.

The Health and Care Bill is an opportunity to improve hea...

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