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Ivory Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 4 July 2018, in the House of Commons, led by Baroness Hayman of Ullock. The answering member was David Rutley.
Report stage. New clause 1, discussed with new clause 2, debated and negatived on division (256 to 305). New clause 2 negatived on division (262 to 306). Amendments made. Third reading. Queen's consent signified. Main question agreed to. Bill read the third time, and passed.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

644 cc359-405 

Session

2017-19

Legislative stage

Third reading and Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Ivory Bill 2017-19
Wednesday, 23 May 2018
Bills
House of Commons
Ivory Bill (Programme) (No. 2)
Wednesday, 4 July 2018
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 644 c359 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 644 c359 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 2—Report on the intern...


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Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 644 cc359-360 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to new clauses 1 and 2 in my name and in those of my right hon. and hon. Friends....

Lord Swire | 644 c360 (Link to this contribution)

In the spirit of consensus, will the hon. Lady also take this opportunity to congratulate this Go...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 644 cc360-1 (Link to this contribution)

As the right hon. Gentleman will see, I shall be doing just that later in my speech. That is a ve...

Lord Swire | 644 c362 (Link to this contribution)

New clause 2 has some merit, but it seems that it simply requires the Secretary of State to repor...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 644 c362 (Link to this contribution)

The new clause was tabled after we looked at what has happened since China banned ivory in Januar...

Lord Swire | 644 c362 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, the logic of what the hon. Lady says is that these things take time to have an impact. A ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 644 c362 (Link to this contribution)

If the right hon. Gentleman would like an annualised report and would like to discuss with the ot...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 644 c362 (Link to this contribution)

Of course there is merit in studying whether or not these measures work, but new clause 2 asks a ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 644 c362 (Link to this contribution)

In the same spirit, surely the hon. Gentleman would support new clause 1, which expands the scope...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 644 c362 (Link to this contribution)

I look forward to hearing the Minister speak, and to a commitment that the ban will extend to oth...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 644 cc363-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a shame that the hon. Gentleman did not serve on the Bill Committee, because he could have ...

Simon Hoare | 644 cc364-5 (Link to this contribution)

It was a pleasure to serve with the hon. Member for Workington (Sue Hayman) and her colleagues an...

Graham P Jones | 644 c365 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has invested a lot of thought into the decommoditisation of ivory, as though t...

Simon Hoare | 644 c366 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. It would be a terrible fallacy if we as legislators fell ...

Mark Tami | 644 c366 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that we have to address the demand particularly in countries that o...

Simon Hoare | 644 c366 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a strong point and he is absolutely right. From that position, notwithst...

Simon Hoare | 644 c366 (Link to this contribution)

Well, there we are—my knowledge of north Wales Labour MPs is getting even better. This segues int...

Simon Hoare | 644 c366 (Link to this contribution)

With trepidation but a certain degree of honour, I give way to my hon. Friend the Minister.

David Rutley | 644 c367 (Link to this contribution)

As always, my hon. Friend is very assiduous. I wonder whether he noticed today that we have annou...

Simon Hoare | 644 c367 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has pointed to my effective oratorical default, which is that I never, ever write ...

Anna Turley | 644 cc367-9 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate everybody who has helped to get this important Bill to this point, including the m...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 644 c369 (Link to this contribution)

I am taking a leap here, but I do not think that any Conservative will have disagreed with anythi...

Anna Turley | 644 c370 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I think the principle of trust is important, and I hope we would support the Governme...

Kerry McCarthy | 644 c370 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for her references to my contribution in Committee. Let me also express my...

Anna Turley | 644 c370 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has made an extremely important point, and one that is close to my heart. My priva...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 644 c370 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for intervening again, but may I take up that last point? Subject to consultation—and...

Anna Turley | 644 c370 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the hon. Gentleman’s point, but, conversely, I do not understand what his problem is...

Anna Turley | 644 c370 (Link to this contribution)

I will take one more intervention, but then I must make some progress.

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 644 c370 (Link to this contribution)

I will not support the new clause because I think that the Government’s commitment goes further, ...

Anna Turley | 644 c371 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right—the principle of the Government’s amendment, which broadens the CITES...

Lord Swire | 644 c371 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has, of course, omitted the very serious commitment, in terms of personnel and fund...

Anna Turley | 644 c371 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely, but that is a separate issue. I am talking about enforcement in this country. Thousan...

Owen Paterson | 644 cc371-3 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the Minister, the Secretary of State and the Opposition and everyone who worked so...

Kerry McCarthy | 644 c373 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman mentioned a whole list of animals that might be included, and we also ha...

Owen Paterson | 644 c373 (Link to this contribution)

I am being told via a sedentary intervention that that is not ivory. This is an interesting issue...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 644 c373 (Link to this contribution)

I want to thank and pay tribute to my right hon. Friend for having taken this issue from somewher...

Owen Paterson | 644 cc373-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his kind comments. It would be invidious of me not to mention my two o...

Lord Swire | 644 c374 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that I am not stating the obvious, but I just wondered whether my right hon. Friend agrees...

Owen Paterson | 644 c374 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. Commonwealth members made several helpful contributions at the conference, and they w...

Lisa Cameron | 644 cc374-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to speak once again on the Bill, which the Scottish National party welcomes. We...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 644 c376 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Just for guidance, may I say that if colleagues can stick to about seven minutes each, we ...

Ranil Jayawardena | 644 cc376-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased that the Bill has made progress in Committee, building on the Government’s proactive...

Graham P Jones | 644 cc377-8 (Link to this contribution)

I want to speak to new clause 2, although on new clause 1, and given the speech we just heard fro...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 644 cc378-380 (Link to this contribution)

This is a very important debate. In listening to speeches from across

Liz Twist | 644 c380 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great privilege to speak in this debate, which is of so much interest to many of our cons...

Lord Swire | 644 c380 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady talks about going a bit further. Surely the whole point is that what the Government...

Liz Twist | 644 cc380-1 (Link to this contribution)

We are keen to see that action is taken now and not deferred. From our perspective, new clause 1 ...

Robert Courts | 644 cc381-2 (Link to this contribution)

We have had an important discussion of this Bill over the past few weeks. It has been a great hon...

Alex Sobel | 644 cc382-4 (Link to this contribution)

I spent three days on the Public Bill Committee carrying out detailed scrutiny. Although we did n...

Lord Swire | 644 c384 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak briefly because time is marching on, and I did not have the privilege of serving on ...

Owen Paterson | 644 c384 (Link to this contribution)

Am I right to say, as a summary of the position of those involved in the antiques trade, that

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Lord Swire | 644 c385 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I agree with my right hon. Friend. I would say that there are legitimate concerns that still...

David Rutley | 644 cc385-6 (Link to this contribution)

This has been another outstanding debate on a very important subject, and I am very grateful for ...

Robert Courts | 644 c386 (Link to this contribution)

May I repeat my thanks to the Minister for listening to the concerns that I have expressed about ...

David Rutley | 644 c386 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has been consistent throughout the process about the need to push forward, as have...

Lord Swire | 644 c386 (Link to this contribution)

When my hon. Friend begins to explain why the Government’s proposals are better than Opposition n...

David Rutley | 644 c386 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed I will. My right hon. Friend has made an important point. Of course, we want to move fast,...

David Rutley | 644 c387 (Link to this contribution)

Quite right too. The amendments also cover extinct species, such as mammoths. We believe that ext...

Henry Smith | 644 c387 (Link to this contribution)

It was a great privilege to serve on the Bill Committee. Britain’s global leadership on this issu...

David Rutley | 644 c387 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his contribution in Committee. He makes an important point. We want to...

Ranil Jayawardena | 644 c387 (Link to this contribution)

I was not on the Bill Committee, but I have been following the Bill closely, as have other member...

David Rutley | 644 c387 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. It is our intention to move further. We are all agreed on that. As I will set out, we...

Simon Hoare | 644 c388 (Link to this contribution)

What capacity is there within DEFRA post conference—I appreciate it is currently fantastically bu...

David Rutley | 644 c388 (Link to this contribution)

That is another excellent point. DEFRA officials work very closely with their counterparts in oth...

Kwasi Kwarteng | 644 c388 (Link to this contribution)

Could my hon. Friend give the House any indication on timing for the consultation process?

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David Rutley | 644 cc388-9 (Link to this contribution)

As I said in the DEFRA announcement—I am pleased that my hon. Friend has given me the opportunity...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 644 cc389-390 (Link to this contribution)

We have had an excellent debate this afternoon, and it is great that hon. Members right across th...

Robert Courts | 644 c390 (Link to this contribution)

A Bill that is open to challenge is not a strong Bill. Is that not the fundamental problem with t...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 644 c390 (Link to this contribution)

I will come to that point, but I am aware that I only have a minute and half left.

Having m...

David Rutley | 644 cc395-400 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

What a pleasure it is to move the ...

Anne-Marie Trevelyan | 644 c400 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentioned museums. On Second Reading, I raised the question of Northumbrian pipes ma...

David Rutley | 644 c400 (Link to this contribution)

That issue was also raised by the hon. Member for Blaydon (Liz Twist). My hon. Friend is a formid...

Dominic Grieve | 644 c400 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. I have not involved myself in the passage of...

David Rutley | 644 cc400-1 (Link to this contribution)

Guidance will be given to help people understand the implications of this measure. We are making ...

Stephen Kerr | 644 c401 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend explain to the House how long he expects the consultation to last and what th...

David Rutley | 644 cc401-2 (Link to this contribution)

We will seek to do this as speedily as possible. A consultation normally lasts about 12 weeks, bu...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 644 cc402-3 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to reiterate that Labour is not opposing the Bill. We have sought to strengthen it in...

John Bercow | 644 c403 (Link to this contribution)

A number of people still wish to speak, and we have 15 minutes remaining.

5.38 pm

David Amess | 644 c403 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak in support of the Bill’s Third Reading. This is a day of celebration for all anim...

Lisa Cameron | 644 cc403-4 (Link to this contribution)

This is a truly historic day. We have worked extremely hard in Committee and at the Bill’s other ...

Giles Watling | 644 cc404-5 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to put on record how pleased I am that this Bill is going through the House today, a...

Ranil Jayawardena | 644 c405 (Link to this contribution)

It is rare that a Bill receives almost universal support, so it is terrific that it has been supp...

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