European Union (Withdrawal) Bill
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I beg to move amendment 57, page 2, line 42, leave out clause 4.
This amendment is linked t...
With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Amendment 4, in clause 5, page 3,...
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Amendment 57, which would leave out clause 4, is linked to new clauses 19 and 21. Many of the ame...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bristol East (Kerry McCarthy) in respect of her pr...
Does my right hon. and learned Friend agree that the best guarantee of the fundamental rights of ...
May I gently say to my right hon. Friend that if his analysis were accurate, no statute would eve...
I agree with my right hon. Friend the Member for Wokingham (John Redwood) that in the end, becaus...
Order. This, if I may say so to the hon. Gentleman, is a mini-speech, with more emphasis on the s...
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
My hon. Friend makes a perfectly good point, which reinforces my imp...
The right hon. and learned Gentleman is making a point that gets to the heart of the purpose of t...
The hon. Gentleman makes a totally legitimate point, especially as the Government themselves have...
My right hon. and learned Friend says that he does not wish to divide the House. However, if he h...
There might have been, but as a loyal member of the Conservative party over many years, I have al...
As ever, it is a genuine privilege to follow the right hon. and learned Member for Beaconsfield (...
Order. Forgive me. Before the hon. Gentleman gets under way—I think the Minister is keen to follo...
I will seek to live up to that expectation, Mr Speaker; I do not intend to speak for long.
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indicated assent.
I see the Solicitor General nodding. On this crucial issue, however, the Government’s cover has b...
My hon. Friend is making a powerful case. In addition to the points he has just made, the Exiting...
I agree absolutely with my right hon. Friend, and I hope even at this stage that Members across t...
I want to speak briefly to several of the amendments in this group. In particular, I want to enco...
I am certainly not going to make a mini-speech; I said what I felt was sufficient. I offer the ne...
This may seem a dry and technical question, but from time to time Parliament does reflect on the ...
One of the perplexing aspects of Brexit is the lack of certainty. Many external advisers have com...
These issues are very much to do with legal clarity. They are to do with ensuring that the body o...
I read what the report said about the issue of the Charter of Fundamental Rights, and I must say ...
The Select Committee consists of Members in all parts of the House. Far be it from me to interfer...
The catalogue of rights that the hon. Gentleman has just read out is impressive, without a shadow...
No one is more proud of being a member of this fine body than I am. Parliament is a great institu...
Is there not a fundamental inconsistency here? The Government’s reason for not including the char...
The logic of the Government is a mystery sometimes, and I wonder whether the Solicitor General ac...
Those of us who are gay, who went to school in the 1980s and who remember very well the impact of...
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. That right of protection for freedoms and liberties on the gr...
My hon. Friend is making a strong point and I strongly support what he is saying and Labour Front...
That is right, and my hon. Friend will also remember that, before becoming Secretary of State, th...
My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech. Does he agree that the issue at hand is not whether...
I can certainly imagine cases where our constituents, feeling the need to assert some of those ri...
I think I played a small part in that, and the hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. Does he agree ...
I am sure that advice will have been heard in senior quarters. Indeed a vice-chair of the Conserv...
If the hon. Gentleman wants to show us his spade, I will give way to him.
I am not trying to scrape over the point I made earlier, but I am very proud of the history of th...
Who knows what will happen in terms of future majorities in this place. The hon. Gentleman is sti...
The Government boast about their protection of human rights, and of course they sign up to UN con...
The hon. Lady’s legal experience speaks volumes about the issue. Simply explaining that one is in...
They have never been in any of my leaflets. I may be in danger of repeating myself now, but when ...
As it happens, since that time, we have learned that the charter provides extremely important pro...
Does not the right hon. Member for New Forest West (Sir Desmond Swayne) make our point for us? So...
I am worried. The right hon. Member for Broxtowe (Anna Soubry) was saying to her hon. Friends, “B...
The hon. Gentleman has been incredibly generous in taking interventions throughout his speech. Wh...
If that were the right way, the Government would have introduced a Bill to provide such certainty...
The hon. Gentleman is right about the importance of some of these rights, but may I suggest that ...
Personally, I believe that Parliament does and should value the provisions of the charter of fund...
In Dover and Ramsgate in east Kent, we have to put up with the evil and wicked trade of live anim...
There are ways of mending, improving and reforming animal safety standards within the European Un...
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that, if the Government had had the political will to do this, they...
The hon. Lady makes a very good point. In relation to specific issues relating to Brexit, the Gov...
My hon. Friend knows that we do not agree on many issues relating to the EU, but we were both ele...
Treaties are reformed every time there are adaptations to them, whether it is Maastricht, Nice or...
It is an absolute fallacy to suggest that this Government have been dying to ban live animal expo...
My hon. Friend absolutely nails the point and brings it home. She knows a great deal more about s...
I do have to conclude my speech, but I will give way to the hon. Lady first.
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I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, but this country is a leader in animal welfare legislation, ...
We do have high animal welfare standards. I do not deny that there could always be improvements, ...
I will take one last intervention, but then I must conclude.
No, I have to conclude.
I thank my hon. Friend for giving way; he is being very generous. Does he recognise that people a...
I congratulate the hon. Member for Fareham (Suella Fernandes) on her appointment, but I am very m...
Order. I will take Joanna Cherry next and then Mr Kenneth Clarke.
I rise to discuss amendment 7, which is in my name and those of my hon. Friends and other Members...
That was a long time ago.
It was not that long ago. Some of us were at school or were students at the time and fought very ...
I am grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way, because I think it needs to be put on the record t...
I am sorry that the right hon. Lady has failed to take my point, which is that this is not about ...
If the Scottish referendum had gone the other way, would not the hon. and learned Lady have regar...
I will not be drawn into a discussion about that today. I can see why the right hon. Gentleman mi...
I agree entirely with what the hon. and learned Lady is saying, but it is my understanding, and I...
That is what I have heard, too. What I would like to hear from the Government today—this is why I...
The hon. Member for Nottingham East (Mr Leslie) began his speech by saying that it was going to b...
I will give way in a second; before I finish, I will give way if people insist.
Secondly, w...
The right hon. and learned Gentleman is making an excellent speech. Does he agree that this is th...
I hope and believe that the other place will make an enormous number of changes to this Bill. The...
I support amendment 57, tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for Bristol East (Kerry McCarthy), al...
You could go by road.
Perhaps the right hon. Gentleman could walk on water.
Anguilla is economically dependent on...
The hon. Gentleman will know that my colleagues in the Department for Exiting the European Union ...
No, I do not agree that it is a perfectly adequate mechanism. The report published by the Governm...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way and for treating us to the shorter version of his speec...
No, I do not; it is just words. It is all about what will happen in the negotiations. How much mo...
I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way. I do not want to interrupt his most eloquent...
Actually, I do not agree. The UK has far bigger clout in the world than a small island with a pop...
Does my hon. Friend agree that this is one of a number of examples? A place such as Anguilla or a...
I actually think, in the case of Anguilla, it is because the Government have never even thought a...
I strongly agree with the hon. Member for Ilford South (Mike Gapes) that the United Kingdom could...
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
If the hon. and learned Lady lets me finish my point, I will let her intervene. I would have thou...
The right hon. Gentleman has unfortunately forgotten that the Scottish referendum was preceded by...
I fear that it is very relevant, and probably even more relevant to what we are going on to debat...
Is the right hon. Gentleman really suggesting that the outcome of the 2014 referendum means that ...
Absolutely not. Scottish voters’ views matter very much. They have a privileged constitutional po...
Does my right hon. Friend detect, as I do, a tendency in SNP Members, which reaches its pinnacle ...
That is extremely good advice. I find myself in a rather different position from the hon. and lea...
Of course, the charter is an excellent example of these rights. It incorporates rights on data pr...
These rights have been incorporated into UK law because we have shared quite a lot of them before...
I am interested in the issue my right hon. Friend raises about our not being able to scrutinise E...
We had 45 years to get that right, and I think my hon. Friend would probably agree with me that i...
I sit on the European Scrutiny Committee and have done so for some time. I can confirm that, alth...
There is also the point that, if we are scrutinising that after it has happened, that is not a lo...
Before he moves on to another point, does my right hon. Friend agree that the narrowness of the H...
Yes, I agree. I think the Report stage may even produce some agreement between my right hon. Frie...
Order. Several colleagues are now seeking to catch my eye, but I emphasise that the Minister must...
I rise to speak to new clause 7, which is in my name and is supported by Opposition Members. I ho...
I am very pleased to speak in support of the new clause brought forward, once again, by the hon. ...
Yes, in theory, I agree with the hon. Lady that the wording could be stronger. I was trying to be...
Does the hon. Lady not agree that we can do better on animal welfare than the EU currently allows...
I agree with the hon. Gentleman that the new laws on sentencing are certainly to be welcomed, but...
Does the hon. Lady agree that a bird in the hand—her proposal —is much better than two in the bus...
I am happy to agree with that intervention.
In case a Conservative Member is about to embar...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Brighton, Pavilion (Caroline Lucas), although I wi...
I will be supporting amendment 57 and other provisions. I rise to speak to new clause 16, which i...
I rise to support the speeches made by my right hon. and learned Friends the Members for Beaconsf...
I call Stuart C. McDonald—fairly briefly. The hon. Gentleman has amendments down and must be hear...
Thank you, Mr Speaker. I want to speak briefly to amendments 55 and 56 and to probe one simple is...
I wish to speak in support of amendments 37 and 38 in the name of my colleagues in Government.
The Government have introduced welcome amendments to clause 7. While my hon. and learned Friend i...
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. If he had sufficient time at his disposal, he might have s...
Will my hon. and learned Friend give way?
I will not; I am developing my argument. It was a point that was made clear, not only in the char...
I do not think I have been under any misunderstanding at all. That is why I have kept pressing th...
My right hon. and learned Friend and I agree about general principles, which is why the general p...
My hon. and learned Friend kindly said that he would try to answer my question. The question was:...
The position that my right hon. and learned Friend took on the charter back in 2007 is the right ...
I entirely endorse what my hon. and learned Friend is saying, not least because of the acquis its...
I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who raises a genuine concern about the impact of protocol 30. Ma...
I am grateful to the Solicitor General for giving way, particularly given that from a sedentary p...
I certainly can. First, we are not repealing anything. Secondly, the dog that has not barked in t...
I know that the hon. and learned Lady treasures and rightly places great value on those human rig...
Can the Solicitor General confirm once and for all that reports that the Prime Minister wants to ...
May I just calm the hon. and learned Lady? [Interruption.] Well, she is making a point that is fr...
What about the next Parliament?
The hon. and learned Lady seems to be very focused on future referendums and the desire to rerun ...
My hon. and learned Friend’s argument would make more sense if the Government had not decided to ...
I hope that my right hon. and learned Friend is allowing me to intervene on his intervention. Let...
Will my hon. and learned Friend give way?
I must press on, I am afraid.
The amendments tabled by my right hon. and learned Friend the...
I would be interested to know what policy area the Solicitor General thinks the EU provision does...
May I reassure the hon. Lady by pointing out that there are many areas on which we have heard deb...
I thank the Minister for praising me as a shining example on animal welfare, but that does not qu...
The hon. Lady had 10 seconds, and she has been indulged very modestly.
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I beg to move amendment 49, page 17, line 13, leave out “appropriate” and insert “necessary”.
...With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
Amendment 50, page 17, line 18, l...
The amendments I have tabled go to the heart of concerns that many Members have about the wide po...
It seems to me, and I am sure the hon. and learned Lady will agree, that as far as the Government...
The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. That is the gravamen of the concern. The Government are g...
I can see the hon. and learned Lady’s point that, in the light of the changes that the Government...
Yes. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. It would not be very consistent if I th...
I will speak only briefly to somewhat lament the fact that we have not made more progress on this...
I totally understand the wish, perhaps, to have had more discussion or debate before bringing ame...
I do wish that the Scottish National party would take up its option of positions in the other pla...
No—so that the SNP could be represented in the other place, because I have no doubt that this mat...
Even if the SNP were in the Lords, it is the representatives here who are elected, and representa...
I accept that. Whatever compromise or proposals emerge in the other place, we can either debate t...
Is not trust based on experience, and is not the experience that we have witnessed over the past ...
We have come a long way since the Government first published the Bill in draft last summer, when ...
I welcome the Committee Chair’s taking his Committee formally and informally to Edinburgh and I a...
Trust is about what is offered to the other party. In this case, the Government have been consist...
We have not had a functioning Assembly in Northern Ireland for a year—since January 2017. How exa...
It is very problematic. My Committee has repeatedly attempted to make an official visit to the Pr...
The biggest scandal about clause 11 is that the UK Government know that it is completely unaccept...
No doubt the hon. Lady will develop her argument, but will she just clarify something? It is not ...
There are things that are devolved and on which we work with the EU, and we do not want those dev...
Is the issue not the basic principle that when the Scottish Parliament was set up, certain powers...
That is absolutely the case. It is the case in Scotland and is now the case in Wales. The Welsh a...
Is the hon. Lady not aware that there are ongoing discussions between the UK Government and the d...
I am aware that discussions are taking place, but I am also aware that the UK Government promised...
Will the hon. Lady agree that a symbol of how seriously this is being taken by the Welsh Governme...
Yes, that is exactly right, and something I am coming on to. Just today, the Welsh First Minister...
Members from all sides have mentioned the issue of trust. Does my hon. Friend think that the Gove...
My hon. Friend is absolutely right. How can we trust a UK Government who cannot make a decision o...
I share the hon. Lady’s frustration that the Government have not tabled an amendment, which I thi...
We did table amendments, but the Government voted against them.
I cannot possibly accept th...
Surely the point is that we are a United Kingdom, and as we move across the United Kingdom we see...
If the UK Government were going to work together in that way, surely they would have tabled an am...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Cardiff North (Anna McMorrin). I want to raise two...
Does the right hon. and learned Gentleman agree with his colleague in the Scottish Conservative p...
Yes, 110%; I agree entirely with those sentiments, and the remark I made earlier about it not bei...
I should like to speak to amendment 5, a cross-party amendment tabled in my name and those of oth...
I count 10 Ministers on the Treasury Bench, so it is a little churlish to say that the Government...
I do not normally respond negatively to the hon. Gentleman, but he fundamentally misunderstands m...
The Secretary of State for Scotland said that these things would come back on Report. That has no...
Indeed, and it is a great concern that we have not had a proper chance to discuss the issue in th...
Would it not be an act of good faith for the Government to accept amendment 3 today, and then to ...
Amendment 3 is sensible, well meant and well thought through, and it enjoys substantial support. ...
The hon. Gentleman is making a good point about the legislative consent motion and the requiremen...
The bottom line is that these concerns have been raised for months. They were raised by the Welsh...
I will happily take more interventions in a moment, but I want to make a little more progress.
Does the hon. Gentleman recognise that negotiations are two-sided? He talks about the agreement o...
I think the Government should accept the series of amendments we have tabled. I am communicating ...
This is exclusively the responsibility of the UK Government. They introduced the repeal Bill, des...
The hon. Gentleman makes an important point.
Does my hon. Friend agree that this Front-Bench amendment was written alongside and in co-operati...
The series of issues we have raised concerns about for months has been clearly set out. These iss...
Thank you for allowing me to say a few words in this setting, Mr Speaker. I wish to make it clear...
The hon. Gentleman is running through the start of the speech he made in Committee, during which ...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for remembering my speeches, which makes him very favourable in my sig...
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the electorate do not want a deficient Bill to lead them into ...
Let me come to that—I promise that almost my next sentence will be on that. I want to make sure t...
Does the hon. Gentleman accept that the need to make amendments to improve clause 11, which is al...
That is brave talk, but the facts of the matter are that Conservative Members are seeking to co-o...
Does the hon. Gentleman not see that the way to achieve UK frameworks and to respect devolution w...
I do not recognise that description of what has been going on. In fact, as lately as October, the...
I will try for the sixth time over two debates to get the hon. Gentleman to answer this question....
I am going to disappoint the hon. Gentleman—I will come on to that last point. What I believe sho...
When I was referring to having all four Governments around the table, I was talking not about neg...
My hon. Friend the Member for Harwich and North Essex (Mr Jenkin), the Chair of the Public Admini...
I absolutely agree with my hon. Friend that amending clause 11 is the right thing to do, but the ...
I completely agree. Although I could not disagree fundamentally with the wording of the amendment...
We all accept that having those joint frameworks is a desirable and necessary thing, but we are t...
What is stopping us is the fact that there is no point creating an amendment which then itself ha...
It is important that the hon. Gentleman understands the sequence and how this works. The repeal B...
There is the soul of a nationalist. The hon. Gentleman manages to take any issue and to make it i...
I am not going to ask the hon. Gentleman for the seventh time, but will he tell the House what me...
He doesn’t know.
The hon. and learned Lady, with her normal reserve, says that I do not know. The fact is that the...
The hon. Gentleman talks about trust, and about building towards agreement and compromise. Will h...
I respect the hon. Gentleman’s point of view and question on this matter. Frankly, I believe that...
I am just looking for some clarity. The hon. Gentleman mentions how difficult it has been to get ...
The hon. Gentleman talks about there not being any prospects of an agreement. There is every pros...
I will give way just one more time because I am sure that Mr Speaker’s patience with me is going ...
The Welsh Government and First Minister deemed it necessary to make a statement today about the l...
The hon. Lady is describing the attitude of the Welsh Government, which in many respects has been...
It would be helpful if the Government gave an assurance today that in the event that there is no ...
I completely agree with my hon. Friend. I believe that we must not be foolishly optimistic but re...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Stirling (Stephen Kerr), and I can sense the tortu...
Does my hon. Friend not agree that the game-changing arithmetic is with the Scottish Conservative...
That is exactly what I am saying to those Conservative Members. I do not want to make it more dif...
The EU referendum result was clear, and it was a decision by the House to put that question to th...
The hon. Gentleman’s colleague, the hon. Member for Stirling (Stephen Kerr), quoted the Scottish ...
I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention. I know that Members can be selective, but that survey...
Will the hon. Gentleman way?
No, thank you.
The survey also shows that Scots want to leave the single market. The Scotti...
The hon. Gentleman is making the same argument as the hon. Member for Stirling (Stephen Kerr) wit...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I am glad that he has recognised that my colleag...
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Can I make a little more progress? I will take more interventions.
Looking at the amendment...
On that point, does the hon. Gentleman share my concern that the UK Government do not appear to h...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. Obviously, Government Back Benchers have not bee...
The Labour Government in Wales are not a nationalist Government, and if the UK Government were to...
I do not accept the hon. Lady’s characterisation of the UK Government’s behaviour. I have seen pe...
Did the hon. Gentleman watch the programme? The entire session was about Brexit. Andrew Marr aske...
I have done no such thing. I have been a very good boy!
I was not talking about the questions asked but about the answer given. That is the broken record...
I shall return, for a moment, to the European Union (Withdrawal) Bill.
I rise to speak to a...
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that systems are already in place under which the Welsh and UK Gove...
I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention. It brings me to the very point I was going to make. T...
I am delighted to follow the hon. Members for Stirling (Stephen Kerr) and for Aberdeen South (Ros...
I will speak to amendment 6 in my name and that of hon. Friends and colleagues. It is crucial in ...
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
I am going to make some progress.
On 6 December, the Secretary of State for Scotland was as...
As has been said, the Government do not even have a majority in the House of Lords. What does my ...
As usual, my hon. Friend makes a very good point.
I want to make it clear that the points I...
Order. That is rather an understatement. I am looking for an opportunity for the Minister to repl...
I will. I know that the Minister wants to respond and pick up on some of the points that have bee...
Order. I say with due courtesy, but absolute insistence, to the hon. Gentleman that the Minister ...
I should like to thank the Speaker for his guidance on that—
Order. Sorry, that was not guidance. That is a ruling. End of subject.
Thank you, Mr Speaker.
Let me make these points. What accountability is there on the promis...
The debate has been lively and has ranged quite widely over various aspects of the impact of this...
I will give way briefly to the hon. Lady, who has not made a speech in this debate.
May I congratulate the right hon. Gentleman on his new job? I was absolutely delighted for him. H...
Parties have all been briefed on the Government’s position and therefore have had the opportunity...
I am grateful to the Minister for taking another intervention.
I am very disappointed. I si...
The hon. Lady and I have known each other for a long time, and having now had overall responsibil...
Will the Minister give way?
The hon. Gentleman will forgive me, but there are a lot of amendments in this group and I want to...
Does my right hon. Friend agree that we have heard a lot of talk about respect between both Gover...
I agree with my hon. Friend.
Let me turn to the amendments from the hon. and learned Member...