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Northern Ireland (Stormont Agreement and Implementation Plan) Bill

Debate on bills and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Thursday, 10 March 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Theresa Villiers. The answering member was Jeffrey M Donaldson.
Committee stage. Clauses 1, 3-11, ordered to stand part. Clause 8 amendment, negatived on division (9 to 201). Clause 2, as amended, ordered to stand part. Schedule 1 agreed to. Schedule 2, as amended, agreed to. Bill, as amended, reported. Bill, as amended in Committee, considered. Third reading. Agreed to on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

607 cc465-531 

Session

2015-16

Legislative stage

Committee stage, Third reading and Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Northern Ireland (Stormont Agreement and Implementation Plan) Bill 2015-16
Wednesday, 10 February 2016
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 c466 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment 1, page 1, line 10, leave out

“First Minister and the deputy First ...

David Crausby | 607 c466 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 7, page 1, line 10, lea...


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Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 cc466-7 (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 1 relates to the independent reporting commission on paramilitary activity, the functio...

Lady Hermon | 607 c467 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will be well aware that the Policing Board was established by the Police (Nort...

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 c467 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for that helpful intervention. We discussed the matter at length during the...

Sammy Wilson | 607 c467 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman accept that on the Policing Board there will be members such as Gerry Kel...

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 c467 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that intervention, and I agree with the first aspect of it. Yes, t...

Sammy Wilson | 607 c468 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman also accept that when the decision rests with the First Minister and Depu...

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 c468 (Link to this contribution)

I have not seen the option of veto exercised to a great degree with other appointments, so I woul...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 607 cc468-9 (Link to this contribution)

We are unable to support the proposition behind amendment 1. We are not against the concept of mo...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 607 cc469-470 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Crausby. I rise to speak in support of amendmen...

Mark Durkan | 607 c470 (Link to this contribution)

In following my hon. Friend the Member for South Down (Ms Ritchie) in speaking to our amendment, ...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 607 c470 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will forgive us if we take his comments as tongue in cheek, given that we were...

Mark Durkan | 607 cc470-1 (Link to this contribution)

Without getting drawn too far away from the subject of the Bill, none of us pretended that the 19...

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 c471 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right that the “Fresh Start” document says that the Executive are supposed ...

Mark Durkan | 607 cc471-2 (Link to this contribution)

I fully accept the point, and I hope that the Secretary of State and the Minister have heard it. ...

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 c473 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that his party was to the fore in proposing that the Policing Boar...

Mark Durkan | 607 c473 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think the potential conflict would be the same. Obviously, there is the issue that was c...

Nigel Mills | 607 c473 (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Gentleman was arguing that in future the Executive may not consist of all five p...

Mark Durkan | 607 cc473-4 (Link to this contribution)

There is a wider possibility in that, which may take us further away from what was said in the St...

Stephen Pound | 607 c474 (Link to this contribution)

It is appropriate that I place on record at the outset our appreciation for the independent repor...

Lady Hermon | 607 c474 (Link to this contribution)

In his comments, I am sure that the hon. Gentleman did not mean to cast any sort of aspersions on...

Stephen Pound | 607 cc474-5 (Link to this contribution)

That is precisely what I was about to say. The point I was making is that we may succeed. Quite o...

Ben Wallace | 607 cc475-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Crausby. I thank hon. Members for their co...

Nigel Mills | 607 c476 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister think the appointment by the UK Government should be subject to a pre-appointme...

Ben Wallace | 607 c476 (Link to this contribution)

I am all for parliamentary transparency and scrutiny of the Government’s decisions. We will take ...

Nigel Mills | 607 c476 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for considering the idea, but as we are appointing somebody who nee...

Ben Wallace | 607 c477 (Link to this contribution)

The Northern Ireland Affairs Committee is certainly not prohibited from examining the appointment...

Lady Hermon | 607 c477 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister cites clause 2, which says the independent reporting commission’s objective is to

Ben Wallace | 607 c477 (Link to this contribution)

The IRC, obviously in conjunction with the duties I mentioned, will be free to report on anything...

Lord Coaker | 607 c477 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister say a little more about the guidance that he mentioned? Clause 2(8) says the Se...

Ben Wallace | 607 cc478-9 (Link to this contribution)

Parliament will certainly have an opportunity to scrutinise the guidance as published. As for the...

Jim Shannon | 607 c479 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has been very specific in what he has said about archives. For the sake of clarifica...

Ben Wallace | 607 c479 (Link to this contribution)

It does not affect that at all. The independent commission will be able to draw on sources from w...

Danny Kinahan | 607 c479 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said in our previous debate that the definition of “paramilitary activity” would be ...

Ben Wallace | 607 c480 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot answer for the Irish Government; we have to leave that up to them. Our purpose is to all...

Mark Durkan | 607 c480 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said earlier that the Government would encourage the First and Deputy First Minister...

Ben Wallace | 607 c480 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to disappoint the hon. Gentleman. We have decided that the First and Deputy First Mini...

Mark Durkan | 607 c480 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 5(2)(c) mentions

“any other person the Secretary of State considers appropriate”,

Ben Wallace | 607 cc480-1 (Link to this contribution)

The clue is in the word “appropriate”. We want to set up the commission and make sure that it car...

Lady Hermon | 607 c481 (Link to this contribution)

It might assist the Minister if he took the Bill off the Dispatch Box and looked at the clause th...

Ben Wallace | 607 c481 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Member for South Antrim (Danny Kinahan).

Danny Kinahan | 607 c481 (Link to this contribution)

On the same point, the definition of “appropriate” should be expanded. It should be appropriate t...

Ben Wallace | 607 cc481-2 (Link to this contribution)

Before I move on, I refer hon. Members again to the word “appropriate”. The winding up of the com...

Ben Wallace | 607 c482 (Link to this contribution)

I want to move on. We have fought a bit, and I know that hon. Members are keen to get on to the n...

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 c482 (Link to this contribution)

It is quite clear that neither the Government nor other parties support amendment 1, so it would ...

Mark Durkan | 607 c482 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, my hon. Friends and I believe that amendment 7 takes forward the terms of the agreemen...

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 c483 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to ask leave to withdraw the amendment.

Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.

Clause ...

David Crausby | 607 cc483-5 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 8, in clause 7, page 4,...

Ben Wallace | 607 cc485-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to clauses 6, 7 and 8 and the related schedules, which extend the time available for...

Nigel Mills | 607 c488 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask the Minister a slightly complicated drafting question? I cannot see how the pledge and ...

Ben Wallace | 607 c489 (Link to this contribution)

I think the best solution is for me to write to my hon. Friend on that technical question. I do n...

Lady Hermon | 607 cc489-490 (Link to this contribution)

It is good to serve under your chairmanship, Sir Edward, while we discuss this important Bill, an...

Sammy Wilson | 607 c490 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady accept that the only sanction in the Bill is that those who do not give the un...

Lady Hermon | 607 c490 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely correct. The glaring omission—I am repeating myself, but it is worth repetitio...

Sammy Wilson | 607 c490 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady accept that there could be general frustration, because the Bill requires MLAs...

Lady Hermon | 607 c490 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right about that. In introducing this group, the Minister referr...

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 c491 (Link to this contribution)

I support the hon. Lady’s amendment and her thought process on this matter. Does she agree that i...

Lady Hermon | 607 c491 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that. One has to ask why any references to sanctions were...

Jim Shannon | 607 c491 (Link to this contribution)

Lisa Dorrian disappeared from Ballyhalbert in my constituency. Searches took place in Comber, als...

Lady Hermon | 607 c491 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that intervention, as he is right in everything he has sa...

Lady Hermon | 607 c492 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister about to concede? That is excellent and I will give way.

Ben Wallace | 607 c492 (Link to this contribution)

I wouldn’t hold your breath. I hear what the hon. Lady is saying, and I am not going to refer to ...

Lady Hermon | 607 c492 (Link to this contribution)

May I just ask the Minister to pick up the Bill and turn to page 5? As I have mentioned, the Bill...

Sammy Wilson | 607 c492 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady accept that the Bill states not only that Standing Orders “shall” do some thin...

Lady Hermon | 607 c492 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that helpful intervention, as ever, from the hon. Gentleman. I am sure the Mini...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 607 cc492-4 (Link to this contribution)

A number of Members, including the hon. Member for North Down (Lady Hermon), who raises this issu...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 607 c494 (Link to this contribution)

We support amendment 6, which was tabled by the hon. Member for North Down (Lady Hermon). There i...

Mark Durkan | 607 cc494-8 (Link to this contribution)

As my hon. Friend the Member for South Down (Ms Ritchie) said, the SDLP has tabled several amendm...

Sammy Wilson | 607 c498 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that, where Standing Orders set standards, the Assembly commission...

Mark Durkan | 607 cc498-9 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I fully accept that, and the clause says that Standing Orders will lay down provision on how...

Danny Kinahan | 607 cc499-500 (Link to this contribution)

I will try to be as quick as possible because we are trying to get through a lot. As a party, we ...

Nigel Mills | 607 cc500-1 (Link to this contribution)

I will make a couple of brief remarks. I think the whole Committee wholeheartedly supports any ef...

Sammy Wilson | 607 c501 (Link to this contribution)

First, we accept that if a pledge is made, there must be some way of measuring whether or not it ...

Nigel Mills | 607 c501 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree. Where someone says or does something that clearly contravenes the undertakings ...

Sammy Wilson | 607 c501 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that if that were the case, the Assembly Commissioner, or whoever ...

Nigel Mills | 607 cc501-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that that could be said, but I am not sure whether that is set out in the amendments. W...

Stephen Pound | 607 cc502-3 (Link to this contribution)

It all started so well when we started to debate this group. The Minister’s initial moves on time...

Jim Shannon | 607 c503 (Link to this contribution)

I assume from what the hon. Gentleman is saying that we can rely on Labour’s support for the amen...

Stephen Pound | 607 c503 (Link to this contribution)

Labour Members will not be voting with the Government. We will be abstaining on this question, in...

Lady Hermon | 607 c503 (Link to this contribution)

I have to register my deep disappointment in Her Majesty’s official Opposition; I had expected be...

Stephen Pound | 607 c503 (Link to this contribution)

I accept the lash that the hon. Lady applies, and to a certain extent I deserve it. However, the ...

Ben Wallace | 607 cc503-4 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be short, sharp and to the point. I have listened to the contributions today, and feel th...

Mark Durkan | 607 cc505-7 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment 18, in clause 9, page 5, line 42, at end insert—

‘( ) Statements la...

Edward Leigh | 607 c507 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss clause stand part.

Before I call Mr Durkan, I sh...

Mark Durkan | 607 cc507-8 (Link to this contribution)

The Government have included clause 9 in the Bill in the name of transparency. I am certainly all...

Ben Wallace | 607 cc508-510 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 9 delivers the commitment, set out in the “Fresh Start” agreement, that the Government wou...

Mark Durkan | 607 c510 (Link to this contribution)

I am not persuaded by any of the Minister’s arguments in respect of the quality of the amendment,...

Edward Leigh | 607 cc510-3 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 2, in clause 11, page 6...

Ben Wallace | 607 cc513-5 (Link to this contribution)

The next group covers general provisions and new clauses. Clause 10 provides for the parliamentar...

Bob Stewart | 607 c515 (Link to this contribution)

Will that cover men and women in the uniform of the Ulster Defence Regiment?

Ben Wallace | 607 c515 (Link to this contribution)

The aftercare service is available to former members of both the Royal Irish Regiment and the UDR...

Jim Shannon | 607 c515 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased that Combat Stress has been allocated money, but many other organisations in Norther...

Ben Wallace | 607 cc515-6 (Link to this contribution)

People can access a range of veterans organisations, including regimental associations and the Ro...

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 c516 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the Minister says about the definition of a victim being a matter for the Northern Ir...

Ben Wallace | 607 c516 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman that it is totally wrong to equate the two. I believe that the re...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 607 c516 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to differ with the Minister about this. Many victims and survivors who were affected by the...

Ben Wallace | 607 cc516-8 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the right hon. Gentleman says, and I do not disagree with a large part of it, but the...

Stephen Pound | 607 c518 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak very briefly. Not for the first time, the right hon. Member for Lagan Valley (Mr Don...

Danny Kinahan | 607 cc518-9 (Link to this contribution)

I know that we are tight for time, but I really want to push our new clauses. The main reason why...

Theresa Villiers | 607 cc519-521 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

I thank all right hon. and hon. Me...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 607 cc521-2 (Link to this contribution)

We welcome the passage of the Bill. We are a signatory, as it were, to the Stormont agreement. We...

Gavin Robinson | 607 c522 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend believe that the injustice was further compounded earlier this week, wh...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 607 c523 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a valid point. The other day I was in the lift with Lord Tebbit and I asked ...

Ben Wallace | 607 c523 (Link to this contribution)

I share the right hon. Gentleman’s frustration. That is why, when I was appointed, instead of wai...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 607 cc523-4 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely accept what the Minister has said. I have nothing but admiration for his efforts to en...

James Gray | 607 c524 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. It might help the House to know that, because of the time...

Lindsay Hoyle | 607 c524 (Link to this contribution)

The Back-Bench motion will not be moved. That is noted.

4.3 pm

Mark Durkan | 607 cc524-5 (Link to this contribution)

Following the right hon. Member for Lagan Valley (Mr Donaldson), I want to make it clear that my ...

Danny Kinahan | 607 cc525-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will be very brief, but I want to get one message across that I think we all forget: the people...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 607 c526 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak on Third Reading of a Bill that basically addressed the independent reporting com...

Ben Wallace | 607 c526 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Lady saying that we should not invoke national security to protect informers, agents ...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 607 cc526-7 (Link to this contribution)

What we are saying, or what I am saying, is that there should be full disclosure of information t...

Jim Shannon | 607 c527 (Link to this contribution)

It is good to be able to make a contribution on Third Reading. I should like to start by paying t...

Bob Stewart | 607 c527 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for being so generous about my record in Northern Ireland. I want to b...

Jim Shannon | 607 c528 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for that contribution. The Lord’s hand was protecting him, as I am sur...

David Simpson | 607 c528 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure my hon. Friend will agree that when people at home in Northern Ireland have received th...

Jim Shannon | 607 cc528-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend and colleague for those comments.

In the past few years, the Norther...

Stephen Pound | 607 cc529-530 (Link to this contribution)

As we move from afternoon to dusk, there is a tendency to allow an elegiac mood to suffuse the Ho...

Lord Elliott of Ballinamallard | 607 c530 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the hon. Gentleman says about the assertion of the right hon. Member for Lagan Valley...

Stephen Pound | 607 cc530-2 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard advice on the Floor of the House from the Prime Minister’s mother, and we have now ...

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