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Enterprise Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 8 March 2016, in the House of Commons.
Report stage (first day). New clause 4, negatived on division (202 to 284). New Schedule 1, negatived on division (266 to 291). Clause 41, amendment negatived on division (268 to 293). Amendments made.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

607 cc141-196 

Session

2015-16

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Enterprise Bill (HL) 2015-16. As amended in Committee.
Thursday, 25 February 2016
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

John Bercow | 607 c142 (Link to this contribution)

As I informed the House on Monday 26 October, before a Report stage begins on a Bill, I will seek...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c143 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.


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John Bercow | 607 c143 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

New clause 8—Disposal of Crown’s ...

Kevin Brennan | 607 cc143-4 (Link to this contribution)

New clause 4 might be referred to as the “hokey-cokey clause” because it has been in, out, and sh...

Andrew Gwynne | 607 c145 (Link to this contribution)

Is one benefit of the Green Investment Bank that in large part it addressed some of the market fa...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c145 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that the proposals on privatisation that the Government quickly brought forward followi...

Mary Creagh | 607 c145 (Link to this contribution)

I praise my hon. Friend for tabling this new clause, and for the way that he scrutinised the Bill...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c145 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on her election to the Chair of the Environmental Audit Committee. ...

Mary Creagh | 607 c145 (Link to this contribution)

I will develop this point in my speech, but in Committee two weeks ago I mentioned the bear marke...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c146 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right to point that out, and, by implication, to point out that the privatisati...

Barry Gardiner | 607 c146 (Link to this contribution)

I wholly support my hon. Friend’s remarks. What impact does he think it might have on the prospec...

Kevin Brennan | 607 cc146-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will understand that I am not going to speculate on that, given that it is not cur...

Mary Creagh | 607 c148 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether my hon. Friend has had the chance to look at annex C, which was presented to Par...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c148 (Link to this contribution)

I think we would all be interested to know that. Perhaps the Minister will be as informative as s...

Mary Creagh | 607 c148 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend share my disappointment that, although the Government have bent over backward...

Kevin Brennan | 607 cc148-9 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. My hon. Friend has been dogged in her pursuit of that both in Committee and in tabling h...

Caroline Lucas | 607 cc149-150 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to be able to speak to my new clause 8, which I would like to press to a vote, but fir...

Bob Stewart | 607 c150 (Link to this contribution)

Would not inoculation, to use the hon. Lady’s word, be guaranteed by the special share the Govern...

Caroline Lucas | 607 c150 (Link to this contribution)

Unfortunately, the special share has no legal underpinning, so we cannot have reassurance about t...

Mary Creagh | 607 c150 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is a credit to our Committee, and I am grateful for the many points she is making o...

Caroline Lucas | 607 c151 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady for her intervention and kind words, and I congratulate her on her...

Mary Creagh | 607 cc151-2 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to amendment 17, which stands in my name and that of my right hon. Friend the Membe...

Bob Stewart | 607 c152 (Link to this contribution)

It seems to me that the Green Investment Bank has been a success since it was set up by the coali...

Mary Creagh | 607 cc152-3 (Link to this contribution)

That has indeed been the argument from Ministers. We want the bank to be able to fund more projec...

Bob Stewart | 607 c153 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the hon. Lady will forgive me for intervening, given that I was not a member of the C...

Mary Creagh | 607 cc153-4 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has said that a report will be presented to Parliament before the bank is finally so...

Steve Brine | 607 c154 (Link to this contribution)

Are not private sector companies and their directors already under disclosure obligations in rela...

Mary Creagh | 607 c154 (Link to this contribution)

This company has been financed by more than £3 billion of taxpayers’ money at a time when my cons...

Steve Brine | 607 c154 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady’s arguments are, of course, very persuasive while the bank is in public ownership a...

Mary Creagh | 607 c154 (Link to this contribution)

The bank will not be financed principally by private money. We do not know how much it will be so...

Mary Creagh | 607 c155 (Link to this contribution)

May I develop my arguments? I shall be happy to take further questions a little later.

Foll...

Richard Fuller | 607 c155 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has special knowledge in this regard, so may I tease out some information from her?...

Mary Creagh | 607 cc155-6 (Link to this contribution)

The Committee’s remit was not to second-guess what the Government could or could not get for the ...

Richard Fuller | 607 c156 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady rightly says that there has been a series of investments in the bank, but it would ...

Mary Creagh | 607 c156 (Link to this contribution)

We have not calculated the net present value, but I am sure that it would be quite a simple proce...

James Berry | 607 c156 (Link to this contribution)

May I make a point about the issue of longevity? There is plainly a public interest in the bank’s...

Mary Creagh | 607 cc156-7 (Link to this contribution)

Once the bank is sold, my Committee will have no locus in scrutinising what it does. We could loo...

Barry Gardiner | 607 cc157-9 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Wakefield (Mary Creagh), who chairs the Environmenta...

Caroline Flint | 607 c158 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a persuasive argument. Does he agree that if we are to be a country repr...

Barry Gardiner | 607 c158 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend has enormous knowledge in this area and I absolutely agree with her. The mos...

Anna Soubry | 607 cc158-160 (Link to this contribution)

It has been an interesting debate, but I must confess that I do not agree with many of the argume...

Callum McCaig | 607 c160 (Link to this contribution)

We welcome the general direction of travel, given the special share. The Government will have a c...

Anna Soubry | 607 c160 (Link to this contribution)

Everyone will, of course, have to comply with the due diligence. I welcome the hon. Gentleman’s c...

Anna Soubry | 607 c160 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way, but I want to move on to specifically why Opposition new clause 4, relating to t...

Caroline Lucas | 607 c160 (Link to this contribution)

I have two points. First, this is not just about green purposes. We should remember that the Gree...

Anna Soubry | 607 c160 (Link to this contribution)

I disagree with the hon. Lady, because the privatisation and sale of the Green Investment Bank is...

Barry Gardiner | 607 c160 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister actually believe that there is no longer any market failure that needs to be ad...

Anna Soubry | 607 c161 (Link to this contribution)

The fact that the Green Investment Bank has been so successful absolutely proves that such invest...

David Mowat | 607 c161 (Link to this contribution)

Members on the Opposition Benches seem to be saying two things. The first is that the private sec...

Anna Soubry | 607 c161 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his excellent intervention, which I wholeheartedly endorse. We have al...

Anna Soubry | 607 c161 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to give way because I just want to put on the record my thanks to Lord Smith for h...

Bob Stewart | 607 c161 (Link to this contribution)

In support of what my right hon. Friend says, let me read from Lord Smith’s letter. He says:

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Anna Soubry | 607 c161 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my hon. Friend for reading from the letter. Obviously, I am not going to re...

Mary Creagh | 607 c162 (Link to this contribution)

Lord Smith of Kelvin may or may not be the chairman of the bank when this sale proceeds, so I the...

Anna Soubry | 607 c162 (Link to this contribution)

This is a short answer—yes. The hon. Lady will have seen this letter and I hope she will have rea...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c162 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has said on many occasions that she is confident that introducing the special share ...

Anna Soubry | 607 cc162-5 (Link to this contribution)

I hope I am being parliamentary when I say that the hon. Gentleman is being a bit of a minx—I mea...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c165 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister criticised me in Committee for referring to people who work in the Office for Nation...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c165 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the schedule be read a Second time.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 607 c165 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 18, in clause 41, page ...

Kevin Brennan | 607 cc165-170 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to confirm that the Opposition will be supporting amendment 18, tabled by the Scottish...

Louise Haigh | 607 c170 (Link to this contribution)

I was present on Second Reading when the Secretary of State described long-serving public servant...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c170 (Link to this contribution)

There was a time when what Ministers said on the Floor of the House could be accepted, and I am p...

Richard Fuller | 607 c171 (Link to this contribution)

Following the hon. Gentleman’s deliberations in Committee, and from his own analysis—obviously we...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c171 (Link to this contribution)

I do not have that figure to hand, but we did probe the Government to try to get some idea of wha...

Richard Fuller | 607 c171 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a fair point. In the absence of data, he has his good judgment and his r...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c171 (Link to this contribution)

That is what the Government say the target is. As the hon. Gentleman knows, I respect him greatly...

Chris Stephens | 607 c171 (Link to this contribution)

Will the shadow Minister confirm that the employees affected, who will be earning less than £25,0...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c172 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. Clearly, large numbers of public sector workers, who have...

Catherine McKinnell | 607 c172 (Link to this contribution)

My intervention very much complements that of the hon. Member for Glasgow South West (Chris Steph...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c172 (Link to this contribution)

Yes. I will briefly touch on the inadequacy of the consultation later.

Amendment 15 is abou...

Chris Philp | 607 c172 (Link to this contribution)

Did the Minister for Small Business, Industry and Enterprise not take the Committee through a num...

Kevin Brennan | 607 cc172-3 (Link to this contribution)

I recommend that the hon. Gentleman read more deeply into the report of the Committee stage. I co...

Catherine McKinnell | 607 c173 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend briefly mentioned the dates of the consultation—between July and August. Does it n...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c173 (Link to this contribution)

My only assumption is that they think fat cats should not have holidays. That is probably why the...

Richard Fuller | 607 c173 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening intently to the hon. Gentleman. I was in the Committee, and I am wondering whether...

Kevin Brennan | 607 cc173-4 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point the hon. Gentleman is making. That would be all right if it was truly a pa...

Liz Saville Roberts | 607 c174 (Link to this contribution)

When companies such as Magnox were privatised, workers such as those at Trawsfynydd in Dwyfor Mei...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c175 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady for promoting me temporarily. I agree with her, and I know that she has bee...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 607 c175 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is completely inconsistent to include employees of companies op...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c175 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. My hon. Friend will have noticed that Sellafield Ltd is included in new schedule 1, for ...

Catherine McKinnell | 607 c175 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend’s argument is powerful, and I am genuinely at a loss as to why the Government do n...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c176 (Link to this contribution)

Exactly. The Treasury’s justification is that, even though the companies have been privatised, th...

Catherine McKinnell | 607 c176 (Link to this contribution)

If the Government fail to take heed of this issue and that of the pensions of women who were born...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c176 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. I hope that the Government will have a last-minute change of ...

Chris Philp | 607 c176 (Link to this contribution)

Will the shadow Minister give way?

Kevin Brennan | 607 c176 (Link to this contribution)

I will in a moment, but first I will repeat my question, just in case Members did not hear it: wh...

Chris Philp | 607 c176 (Link to this contribution)

The shadow Minister well knows that the Government have capped the pension contributions of highe...

Kevin Brennan | 607 cc176-7 (Link to this contribution)

What the hon. Gentleman may not realise is that the workers of the banks that have been taken int...

Chris Stephens | 607 c177 (Link to this contribution)

Will the shadow Minister confirm that on Second Reading, the Secretary of State used the term “pu...

Kevin Brennan | 607 cc177-8 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. I know that it is difficult to believe—presumably, that i...

Gerald Howarth | 607 cc178-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to follow the shadow Minister, the hon. Member for Cardiff West (Kevin Brennan). I h...

Mark Field | 607 c179 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Instinctively, I am entirely sympathetic to his argument, whi...

Gerald Howarth | 607 c180 (Link to this contribution)

I have enormous respect for my right hon. Friend and I understand his point, but the place I repr...

David Mowat | 607 c180 (Link to this contribution)

The point about the entire public sector is a reasonable one, but it would be stronger if the Gov...

Gerald Howarth | 607 c180 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point.

Mark Field | 607 c180 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Warrington South (David Mowat) will appreciate that the intention i...

Gerald Howarth | 607 cc180-1 (Link to this contribution)

As my hon. Friend the Member for Warrington South (David Mowat) implies, the sensible place to dr...

Alan Brown | 607 cc181-2 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to amendment 18, which is in my name and that of my hon. Friend the Member for Li...

Peter Grant | 607 c182 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend mentioned the Scottish Government’s record on avoiding compulsory redundancies. In...

Alan Brown | 607 c182 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with that fine point completely. I went through the same experience as a local councillor...

Albert Owen | 607 c183 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Cardiff West (Kevin Brennan) and the hon. Member for...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 607 c183 (Link to this contribution)

It is also important to point out that the Treasury did not actually allow the employees of those...

Albert Owen | 607 c183 (Link to this contribution)

There is huge inconsistency because the workers I am referring to were protected in 2004. They we...

Chris Stephens | 607 c184 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the biggest safeguard of all is that an occupational pension scheme is deferred pay. The h...

Albert Owen | 607 c184 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely right. The reality is that the Bill will take away the conditions of service t...

David Mowat | 607 c184 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to what the hon. Gentleman says and I have a lot of sympathy with it, bu...

Albert Owen | 607 c184 (Link to this contribution)

It is very confusing. This has not been made clear, but my understanding is that if these people ...

Anna Soubry | 607 cc184-5 (Link to this contribution)

Government amendments 3 to 9 will enable Welsh Ministers to make regulations on exit payments tha...

Anna Soubry | 607 c185 (Link to this contribution)

No, forgive me, but the clock is against me.

Anna Soubry | 607 c185 (Link to this contribution)

No, there may be reasons. There is no need to interrupt.

Now is not the time to do what som...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c185 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker.

Lindsay Hoyle | 607 c185 (Link to this contribution)

It is not a point of order. Come on.

Lindsay Hoyle | 607 c185 (Link to this contribution)

Mr Brennan, I think it is for me to decide. I am sure it was going to be about time, and I am sur...

Anna Soubry | 607 c186 (Link to this contribution)

I was bobbing up and down like a 5 November apple, Mr Deputy Speaker. In any event, I do not know...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c186 (Link to this contribution)

I respect your ruling, Mr Deputy Speaker, that my point of order, which I did not make, was out o...

Lindsay Hoyle | 607 c186 (Link to this contribution)

Order. It was going to be about time, but it is not for me to tell you how much time is left, as ...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c186 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I simply note that the Minister was unwilling to give way because o...

Kevin Brennan | 607 c186 (Link to this contribution)

Would the Minister like me to give way? I am happy to do so, if it is in order, Mr Deputy Speaker...

Lindsay Hoyle | 607 c186 (Link to this contribution)

Minister, are you commenting from a sedentary position, or would you like to make a point of orde...

Anna Soubry | 607 c186 (Link to this contribution)

The record will confirm that I did not say that a Minister’s word could not be trusted. I was tal...

Lindsay Hoyle | 607 c186 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has clarified her position.

Kevin Brennan | 607 c186 (Link to this contribution)

It was not in a newspaper that the policy was announced. As I said, we cannot believe a word Mini...

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