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European Union (Approvals) Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills on Monday, 13 January 2014, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Vaizey of Didcot. The answering member was Helen Goodman.
Second reading. Agreed to on division (366 to 30). Programme motion, relating to proceedings in Public Bill Committee, on consideration and third reading, and on any other proceeding. Agreed to on question

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

573 cc602-679 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Second reading

Procedure

Programme motions

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
European Union (Approvals) Bill (HL) 2013-14. Brought from the Lords.
Monday, 21 October 2013
Bills
House of Commons
European Scrutiny Committee twenty-third report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 20 November 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
European Scrutiny Committee twenty-fifth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 27 November 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
European Union (Approvals) Bill
Wednesday, 8 January 2014
Research briefings

Proceeding contributions

John Bercow | 573 c603 (Link to this contribution)

I call the Minister for—well, for a number of different matters. Mr Edward Vaizey.

4.45 pm<...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c603 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. I am, in fac...


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Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c603 (Link to this contribution)

I will now take my first intervention.

William Cash | 573 c603 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend aware that the Europe for Citizens programme could be construed as no more than...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c603 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to get ahead of myself, because I must first cover the specific regulations. My hon...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c604 (Link to this contribution)

I will now take my second intervention.

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 c604 (Link to this contribution)

How does the Minister’s earlier example meet the test of subsidiarity?

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c604 (Link to this contribution)

It is not a question of subsidiarity. The question of subsidiarity applies to the whole programme...

Richard Drax | 573 c604 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it would be wonderful news if the EU were not archived?

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 cc604-5 (Link to this contribution)

Speaking on a measure on archiving documents of European Union institutions gives rise to the pos...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 c605 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to disappoint my hon. Friend in his hope that there would not be too many intervention...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c605 (Link to this contribution)

It is important to look at the kinds of programmes that will be supported by this measure. It is ...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c606 (Link to this contribution)

I can hear my hon. Friend making an attempt at a third intervention.

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c606 (Link to this contribution)

It is my hon. Friend’s fourth attempt and I think it would have been his third intervention, had ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 c606 (Link to this contribution)

On my hon. Friend’s earlier point about ever closer union and what it means, is he saying, as has...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c606 (Link to this contribution)

What I am saying is that one should look at the kinds of projects that have been funded in the pa...

Lee Scott | 573 c606 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that, during these times of a rise in anti-Semitism in Europe, anything...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c606 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend quite rightly achieves approbation from all corners of the House for his intervent...

Roger Gale | 573 c607 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect that the House probably feels that the United Kingdom is quite capable of providing its...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c607 (Link to this contribution)

In this debate, we will find that many hon. Members are incredibly well informed and know a lot a...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c607 (Link to this contribution)

I can hear another hon. Friend wanting to intervene, but I do not know whether or not the interve...

Richard Drax | 573 c607 (Link to this contribution)

On questions of percentages and budgets, I understand that 20% will go towards commemorations, bu...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c607 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend neatly takes us on to the next element of the budget. Some 60% of the budget will ...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c607 (Link to this contribution)

I was about to say that I did not know hon. Members’ views on the European Union, but I should pe...

Andrew Turner | 573 c608 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend accept that many twinnings, which are jolly good, are done at no cost to the ...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c608 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that point, and as a good Conservative, I am always in favour of anything that has no co...

Philip Hollobone | 573 c608 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister update the House on the size of the budget of the programme compared with the s...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 cc608-9 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly do so, but to put the answer to my hon. Friend’s question in context, it is impo...

Helen Goodman | 573 c609 (Link to this contribution)

As the Minister set out, the two purposes of the Bill are to provide proper archiving arrangement...

Richard Drax | 573 c609 (Link to this contribution)

Would the hon. Lady agree that the more people know about how the EU works, the less likely it is...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c609 (Link to this contribution)

That should be a reason for some people to support the proposals.

Helen Goodman | 573 cc609-610 (Link to this contribution)

As the Minister points out, that should be a reason for some people to support the programme, but...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 c610 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to jump in on the hon. Lady, but there are 28 member states if Croatia is included....

Helen Goodman | 573 cc610-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to be corrected by the hon. Gentleman. His arithmetic is better than mine.

I won...

William Cash | 573 c611 (Link to this contribution)

On the hon. Lady’s comments about my intervention, does she agree that grants that might be made ...

Helen Goodman | 573 c611 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. I was going to come on to the question of whether they sho...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 c611 (Link to this contribution)

I am slightly concerned that the hon. Lady ties the Europe for Citizens programme with the Europe...

Helen Goodman | 573 c611 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman’s remarks are rather ungenerous. It is obviously important for people to under...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 cc611-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the hon. Lady for giving way. Following on from the point made by my h...

Helen Goodman | 573 c612 (Link to this contribution)

The money will not be given to political parties in any case, so the hon. Gentleman’s concern abo...

Richard Drax | 573 c612 (Link to this contribution)

Given that the EU accounts, as I understand it, have not been signed off for the past 15 years, h...

Helen Goodman | 573 c612 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman needs to look at the areas that have caused the European Union’s auditors to q...

William Cash | 573 cc612-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to you for calling me at this opportune moment, Madam Deputy Speaker, because ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 c614 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend fear that money from this pot could be used at any point to promote the Europ...

William Cash | 573 c614 (Link to this contribution)

I sense that you, Madam Deputy Speaker, would not wish me to go too far down that route, but the ...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 573 c615 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some excellent points. Does the Bill contain any provisions or mechanism...

William Cash | 573 c615 (Link to this contribution)

That is an extremely important question, to which the answer is zero: none at all. Perhaps the Mi...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 c615 (Link to this contribution)

It is a poker face, actually, not a Sphinx-like expression. I will respond to my hon. Friend when...

William Cash | 573 c615 (Link to this contribution)

There is another point, too. A very interesting statement, which I happen to know is true, was ma...

Andrew Bridgen | 573 c615 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend talks about propaganda and UK taxpayers’ money being used to fund it. Is he aware ...

William Cash | 573 c616 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely interested in that because I recall that a serious dispute arose only a few days a...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 573 c616 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman rightly said earlier that the Chair would be keeping a watchful eye to ...

William Cash | 573 cc616-7 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly will, and precisely because of that reference to world war one. I took part in the de...

Charles Kennedy | 573 c617 (Link to this contribution)

Although we have just passed the auld Scots new year, this is the first chance I have had to cong...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 c617 (Link to this contribution)

Actually, such a veto already exists. The measure that I like to call “Bill’s Bill” would not eve...

Charles Kennedy | 573 cc617-9 (Link to this contribution)

I gather from the hon. Member for Stone’s speech that we are going to face a Division on the Bill...

William Cash | 573 c619 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening with great interest to the right hon. Gentleman, not least because, from his persp...

Charles Kennedy | 573 cc619-620 (Link to this contribution)

I am less anxious now than I was just before I accepted that intervention. If the European Moveme...

Neil Carmichael | 573 cc620-1 (Link to this contribution)

There is a huge amount about the European Union that I would like to change. Indeed, all organisa...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 cc621-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Stroud (Neil Carmichael), because I am ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 573 c623 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for arriving late to the debate. The hon. Gentleman talks about stable prices, but pr...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 c623 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the statistics that the hon. Gentleman has just relayed. That just goes to prove tha...

Richard Drax | 573 c623 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the evidence that it is not working is there for all to see. My hon. Friend the Member for...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 cc623-4 (Link to this contribution)

Fortunately, that is one for the Minister to answer. There are plenty of experts on both sides of...

William Cash | 573 c624 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the idea that the Bruges Group, or the European Foundation, of whi...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 c624 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that my right hon. Friend—is he right hon. yet?

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 cc624-5 (Link to this contribution)

My soon-to-be right hon. Friend’s organisation could benefit from funding, if it changed its basi...

Richard Drax | 573 c625 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech, and I am most grateful to him for giving way a seco...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 cc625-6 (Link to this contribution)

The few times in my political career when I have not relied exactly on facts, I have always stumb...

Kelvin Hopkins | 573 c626 (Link to this contribution)

I strongly sympathise with what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but he keeps referring to Europe, a...

Chris Bryant | 573 c626 (Link to this contribution)

He should have learnt that by now.

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 cc626-7 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant) is quite right. I will try to remember to say “Europea...

William Cash | 573 c627 (Link to this contribution)

In the light of that last point, does my hon. Friend recall that the European Court of Justice ha...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 cc627-8 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. It is the guarantor bit that causes the real problem in this matter.

No...

Bernard Jenkin | 573 c628 (Link to this contribution)

Does not that episode underline the point of our signing a letter to the Prime Minister at the we...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 cc628-9 (Link to this contribution)

The latter part of my hon. Friend’s intervention is exactly right. We have a veto on the matter, ...

William Cash | 573 c629 (Link to this contribution)

This money is paid by way of grant, out of taxpayers’ money, direct to these organisations. Does ...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 573 cc629-630 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. In fact, the United Kingdom taxpayer is funding all this. That is why I am worried ab...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 cc630-1 (Link to this contribution)

It is a particular pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Daventry (Chris Heaton-Harris...

Chris Bryant | 573 c631 (Link to this contribution)

What about the Catholic Church?

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 c631 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman says from a sedentary position, “What about the Catholic Church?”

Lindsay Hoyle | 573 c631 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I do not think we are going to go down that route. We are going to stick with what is befo...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 cc631-3 (Link to this contribution)

I will just say, briefly, that a previous Leader of the House stood godparent for me when I was b...

Richard Drax | 573 c632 (Link to this contribution)

Given that my hon. Friend is giving such an excellent speech and talking about anniversaries, I w...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 c632 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is spot on. He has discovered the secret of the Rees-Mogg household: we celebrate ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 573 c632 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I do like the hon. Gentleman’s history lessons, but I am bothered because this is the Seco...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 c632 (Link to this contribution)

I am actually referring to the eighth paragraph of the document we are being asked to approve, wh...

Lindsay Hoyle | 573 c632 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I think I might be able to help. As much as I welcome the history lesson, it is the length...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 cc632-4 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise, Mr Deputy Speaker. I was taking the Secretary of State for Education too literally w...

Julian Lewis | 573 c634 (Link to this contribution)

To give my hon. Friend a moment to relocate his script, may I ask him whether we are perhaps in d...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 573 cc634-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a wonderfully ingenious point. I am not sure that a coalition Government cou...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 573 cc635-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to have the opportunity, with the leave of the House, to respond to the debate, whi...

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