Health and Social Care Bill. Lords report stage first day.
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Health and Social Care Bill. As amended in committee. In two volumes.
Wednesday, 21 December 2011
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Wednesday, 21 December 2011
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Constitution Select Committee (HL) eighteenth report on the Health and Social Care Bill.
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Constitution Select Committee (HL) twenty-second report on the Health and Social Care Bill: Follow-up report.
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Warner | 735 c354 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I intervene briefly to echo everything that the noble Lord, Lord Willis, has said. We shou...
Earl Howe | 735 c352 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we come to an issue that exercised us on more than one occasion in Committee—the issue of ...
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Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 735 c353-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a very pleasant duty to know that amendments proposed in Committee have been accepte...
Earl Howe | 735 c352 (Link to this contribution)
9: Clause 4, page 3, line 11, at end insert—
““( ) If, in the case of any exercise of functions, the...
Earl Howe | 735 c352 (Link to this contribution)
11: Clause 5, page 3, line 16, leave out ““have regard to the need to””
Baroness Jay of Paddington | 735 c351-2 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord may be surprised to hear me ask this question because, as he kindly said, I have been...
Earl Howe | 735 c352 (Link to this contribution)
I do not share that view at all. I do not think that the autonomy and accountability arrangements ar...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 735 c355-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, from the opposition Benches we too welcome the amendments, which very much reflect the deb...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 735 c355 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would also like to formally record an enormous welcome to these changes to the Bill. Wha...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 735 c354-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, put my name to the amendments in Committee that have helped to precipitate this ve...
Lord Patel | 735 c354 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name was on many of the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Willis of Knaresborough, in ...
Baroness Jolly | 735 c347 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the government amendments in this group, which are also in the name of my noble ...
Baroness Thornton | 735 c348-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, when we were having our negotiations on this part—on which I was very happy to take part, ...
Earl Howe | 735 c349 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, has spoken to Amendments 10 and 52, which, as she has s...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 735 c349 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Earl seems to be saying that you cannot trust your own Secretary of State not to...
Baroness Jay of Paddington | 735 c344-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the House will be aware that the second report of the Constitution Committee on this Bill ...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 735 c345 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to raise some questions because I have put my name to the amendment suggesting that...
Lord Warner | 735 c345-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I had not intended to intervene in this group of amendments, but I want to make a couple o...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 735 c346-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, every time I look at Clause 4—[Laughter.] I cannot understand what my noble friends find s...
Earl Howe | 735 c349-50 (Link to this contribution)
I challenge the noble Lord to think of one Secretary of State, with the distinguished exception of m...
Baroness Thornton | 735 c350 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot resist saying that the noble Earl’s right honourable friend Mr Lansley has dabbled and inte...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 735 c311 (Link to this contribution)
I support all the amendments. I am glad to read the government amendments, which will obviously be a...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 735 c310-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments in this group because I believe that it is important that we look...
Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 735 c309-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also support the amendment on prostate cancer, which is a very important area. However, ...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 735 c309 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I strongly support the amendment. Yesterday, I went to a meeting on prostate cancer, a dis...
Baroness Young of Old Scone | 735 c305-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am afraid that I will be even more discordant. I do not want to denigrate the congratula...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 735 c305 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, far be it from me to cast a pall over the House of Lords at its best. I join others in bei...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c308-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 255A. Both amendments relate to quality standards.
The Go...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c308 (Link to this contribution)
5A: Clause 2, page 2, line 33, at end insert, ““and report annually in Parliament on the progress to...
Earl Howe | 735 c307-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that it only remains for me to thank noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I...
Baroness Thornton | 735 c306-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we must be thankful to my noble friend Lady Jay and the Constitution Committee for their i...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 735 c317 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether the Minister could clarify something for me. I very much support the line of argume...
Earl Howe | 735 c316 (Link to this contribution)
The advisory committee for resource allocation which exists at the moment will advise on the allocat...
Earl Howe | 735 c317 (Link to this contribution)
There is no hierarchy but the Secretary of State will be bound to report to Parliament and, in doing...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 735 c312-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the government amendments on health inequalities are welcome. I take this opportunity to a...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 735 c315 (Link to this contribution)
I just want to make sure that I understand the point that the Minister is making. Let us compare two...
Earl Howe | 735 c313-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for some very valuable contributions to this debate, which ha...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 735 c316 (Link to this contribution)
May I just clarify? Will there be nothing between the board at national level? Will it look right ac...
Earl Howe | 735 c315 (Link to this contribution)
Localism lies at the heart of our approach to these issues. Although I have no doubt that conversati...
Lord Rea | 735 c316 (Link to this contribution)
Does the noble Lord accept that to smooth out inequalities costs money? Therefore, the CCG in Totten...
Earl Howe | 735 c316 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord will know, because the NHS Commissioning Board authority has published its proposals,...
Lord Northbourne | 735 c338 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I intervene briefly to support the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, because I believe that the...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 735 c337-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, briefly, I should like some clarification on this amendment, and I hope that the Minister ...
Lord Beecham | 735 c336-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcome the noble Baroness’s amendment, particularly because it extends the implicit obl...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 735 c336 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment seeks to ensure that there is a system of recourse for patients or other peo...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 735 c336 (Link to this contribution)
7: Clause 3, page 2, line 40, at end insert—
““, and
(b) the Secretary of State should by regulation...
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield | 735 c335-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, and the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for their kind re...
Earl Howe | 735 c335 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Hennessy, for tabling these important amendment...
Baroness Thornton | 735 c334-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very pleased to put my name to this amendment and I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord...
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield | 735 c334 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak also to Amendment 150, which is in my name on the Marshalled List. These amendments ar...
Lord Hennessy of Nympsfield | 735 c333-4 (Link to this contribution)
6: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause—
““The Secretary of State’s duty as to the NHS Co...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c317 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for his reply, and for the support for my amen...
Earl Howe | 735 c341-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 9, 34, 53 and 54.
This group of amendments deals with th...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 735 c342-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may explain why I support the Government’s amendments on the autonomy clauses to...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 735 c340-1 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may seek a tiny bit of clarification. The noble Earl spoke about the ombudsman as being al...
Earl Howe | 735 c340 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are at Report stage and I hope that the noble Lord will forgive me if I do not reply at...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 735 c341 (Link to this contribution)
This is Report; I do not want to and fro. I will assume that that covers part-funding of care by cha...
Earl Howe | 735 c341 (Link to this contribution)
The answer to the noble Baroness is that all NHS-funded care would come under the umbrella of the om...
Baroness Jolly | 735 c340 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister sits down, will he clarify whether the same processes that he has just outlined ...
Earl Howe | 735 c338-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a very useful short debate. As the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, said, her am...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 735 c340 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate that this is very bad manners, given that I missed most of the debate. The Minister has...
Earl Howe | 735 c340 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, where a service is commissioned by the NHS Commissioning Board—and let us imagine that it ...
Baroness Thornton | 735 c290-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we originally put down Amendments 3 and 4 in Committee back in the autumn. It has to be sa...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 735 c292-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may respond very briefly. The real argument that we should be having is almost c...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 735 c290 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the Minister for the amendments that he has tabled on behalf of the Government...
Baroness Thornton | 735 c290 (Link to this contribution)
3: Clause 1, page 2, leave out lines 7 to 9 and insert—
““(2) The Secretary of State must for that p...
Earl Howe | 735 c296 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness, who is of course quite right.
I have been handed a note, which...
Baroness Thornton | 735 c296 (Link to this contribution)
My question was actually about the Government’s intentions. That was a very enlightening and helpful...
Earl Howe | 735 c295-6 (Link to this contribution)
I defer completely to my noble friend, who is right to point out that one thing that we wish to avoi...
Baroness Jay of Paddington | 735 c296 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has clarified the difficulty that I was in, partly because of the intervention from the...
Earl Howe | 735 c293-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as my noble friend has correctly reminded us, the next debate will give us the opportunity...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 735 c295 (Link to this contribution)
Does my noble friend agree that one of the vices in the amendment is that it would encourage judicia...
Baroness Thornton | 735 c297 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that response. I made it clear in my opening remarks that I would not seek ...
Earl Howe | 735 c297-8 (Link to this contribution)
5: Clause 1, page 2, line 9, at end insert—
““( ) The Secretary of State retains ministerial respons...
Earl Howe | 735 c298-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 5. As noble Lords will be aware, and as I stated during our discus...
Baroness Jay of Paddington | 735 c299-301 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for the way in which he introduced this amendment because, a...
Earl Howe | 735 c297 (Link to this contribution)
I have taken advice on this, and I believe that what I am about to say will not mislead the House as...
Lord Laming | 735 c305 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, may I briefly add my thanks to the Minister and the Constitution Committee? Its second rep...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 735 c301-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I assure the House that I rise only briefly. On this occasion, unlike two amendments ago, ...
Lord Owen | 735 c302 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall not detain your Lordships, but the noble Lord, Lord Hennessy, has asked me to spea...
Lord Mawhinney | 735 c302-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having taken up your Lordships’ time both at Second Reading and in Committee, I want to ch...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 735 c303-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, may I, too, say a word or two about this brilliant process? It is important to say that at...
Earl Howe | 735 c286-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a very useful debate. Perhaps I can begin with a clear statement that the Go...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 735 c286 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Earl, Lord Howe, has kindly reminded me that we are not debating Amendment 62. I...
Earl Howe | 735 c286 (Link to this contribution)
We are not debating that amendment yet.
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 735 c286 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is a very good point. As I say, it is always helpful when noble Lords point out error...
Lord Turnberg | 735 c280-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I put my name to Amendment 12 but I have shifted my allegiance to Amendment 13, along with...
Lord Patel | 735 c274 (Link to this contribution)
I did hear what the noble Earl said and I cannot say that I can accept that it would create difficul...
Lord Elton | 735 c274 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord said that his noble friend was awaiting an answer to his question as to what was the ...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 735 c278-80 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this group of amendments addresses education and training as part of a comprehensive healt...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 735 c278 (Link to this contribution)
2: Clause 1, page 2, line 6, at end insert ““, and
““(c) in the education and training of health car...
Earl of Listowel | 735 c283-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise briefly to pay tribute to the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and his colleagues for giving ...
Lord Patel | 735 c284 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I pay tribute to the noble Earl for how he has met our concerns in the Committee debate on...
Lord Northbourne | 735 c286 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether the noble Lord could clarify a point for me. In his Amendment 62 he speaks of the “...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 735 c281-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support government Amendments 61 and 104. As regards Amendment 2, which the noble Barone...
Lord Owen | 735 c260-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the House agrees that the Report should be received, I would like to raise some imp...
Earl Howe | 735 c260 (Link to this contribution)
That the Report be now received.
Lord Ribeiro | 735 c270 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I follow the noble Baroness in saying that I am speaking not because I see this as an amen...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 735 c268-9 (Link to this contribution)
I have two excuses for speaking. First, I have chaired two mental health trusts and, although I no l...
Baroness Meacher | 735 c269 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support this amendment very strongly and shall speak extremely briefly. Others have spok...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 735 c270 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that the Minister will be able to break away from his brief and accept this amendme...
Countess of Mar | 735 c271 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I too support this amendment very strongly, and I think the Minister knows why.
In my dea...
Lord Eden of Winton | 735 c271 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have listened to many powerful and persuasive speeches. I am tempted to go all the way ...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 735 c274 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may say that if it was me who my noble friend was referring to as being on his l...
Earl Howe | 735 c272-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have had an excellent debate to mark the start of Report and I am very pleased—and, I m...
Baroness Thornton | 735 c271 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we on these Benches liked this amendment the first time round and we have not changed our ...
Earl Howe | 735 c261-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, of course, the noble Lord, Lord Owen, had no obligation to give the Government advance not...
Baroness Thornton | 735 c262 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think the noble Earl has answered the question as far as it goes, but he raises several ...
Lord Warner | 735 c262 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the Minister responds to that question, will he consider later—if he cannot answer ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 735 c262 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, has the noble Lord, Lord Owen, not drawn our attention to a particularly egregious example...
Earl Howe | 735 c262-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in answer to the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, there is no suggestion that the Bill could...
Lord Patel | 735 c263 (Link to this contribution)
1: Clause 1, page 2, line 6, after ““of”” insert ““physical and mental””
Lord Patel | 735 c263-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a dubious privilege to speak to this amendment. I say ““dubious”” because the noble ...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 735 c267 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in rising briefly to support the amendment so ably proposed by my noble friend Lord Patel ...
Lord Alderdice | 735 c265-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Patel, has characteristically underplayed his own grasp of this impor...
Baroness Whitaker | 735 c268 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, briefly, from a lay perspective, I urge the Minister to take this amendment very seriously...
Lord Carlile of Berriew | 735 c267-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should like to say a word on behalf of those who have had to care for family members—oft...
Earl Howe | 735 c356-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I begin by saying how much I agree with the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Hunt. There ar...
Earl Howe | 735 c350-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am saying that the Secretary of State will not have the ability to micromanage the health service ...
Earl Howe | 735 c341 (Link to this contribution)
8: Clause 4, page 3, line 5, leave out from ““must”” to end of line 6 and insert ““have regard to th...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 735 c284-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as this is a new stage of the Bill, I should declare a number of interests which are also ...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 735 c282-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have just counted that in the course of the past few weeks and months I have attended 28...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 735 c269 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend Lord Alderdice made the strong point that in the real world mental health ...
Lord Patel | 735 c274 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish that I did not need to speak at this point because I am really quite torn. I know h...
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