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Protection of Freedoms Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 6 February 2012, in the House of Lords.
Protection of Freedoms Bill. Report stage second day.

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Reference

735 c11-35, 47-86, 107-20 

Session

2010-12

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

Government defeats
New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Related items

Protection of Freedoms Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 99-EN also published.
Wednesday, 12 October 2011
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2012-0285
Saturday, 11 February 2012
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Henley | 735 c115 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I accept the noble Baroness’s great experience in these matters. She is pointing to an occ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 735 c115 (Link to this contribution) I was saying that the Government do not take responsibility for secondary contact. The problem is th...

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Lord Henley | 735 c115 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that. Let me see if I can get this right. I think what the noble Baroness is trying ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 735 c115-6 (Link to this contribution) To clarify the point, if a CRB check has not been taken out because this is a supervised setting and...
Lord Henley | 735 c116 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Baroness accept that there is also a role for the parents in terms of the guidance th...
Lord Sentamu | 735 c116 (Link to this contribution) I go back to the Soham murders. Huntley happened to be a caretaker and these girls trusted him becau...
Lord Henley | 735 c114 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for that correction. My noble friend Lady Stowell has just reminded...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 735 c114 (Link to this contribution) All I would ask is that when the noble Lord is looking very carefully to clarify that distinction he...
Lord Henley | 735 c114-5 (Link to this contribution) Of course I will look at those matters and respond to my noble friends Lady Randerson and Lady Walms...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 735 c115 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister seriously suggesting that, if there was a CRB check showing that an individual was d...
Baroness Walmsley | 735 c117-8 (Link to this contribution) I have one second point before my noble friend rises to answer. I accept that people who are not reg...
Baroness Walmsley | 735 c117 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend. Could he just clarify one point? The volunteers we are talking abo...
Lord Henley | 735 c117 (Link to this contribution) Can I just continue these matters? I hope that I have answered most of the points that the noble Lor...
Lord Henley | 735 c117 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to give way to the noble Lord. I am going to get on with my speech. If the noble Lord...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 735 c116 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord. He said a few moments ago that there is a responsibility ...
Lord Henley | 735 c117 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord may say what he wishes, but he should not try to put words into my mouth, which is wh...
Lord Henley | 735 c116 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on the contrary, it would be covered now, and following the changes that we are going to m...
Lord Henley | 735 c118 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the noble and learned Baroness asks me to do that, then of course I will. It is obvious...
Lord Henley | 735 c118 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not know whether it will be next Wednesday when we come back to this. I remind the Ho...
Lord Bichard | 735 c118-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much welcome the tone of the Minister’s response. I respect his position entirely a...
Lord Henley | 735 c118 (Link to this contribution) May I write to my noble friend on that final point to make sure that I get it right? I will make sur...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 735 c118 (Link to this contribution) Could I just put one question to the Minister? I preface it with the fact that I congratulated the G...
Baroness Hamwee | 735 c72 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Armstrong, has done a sterling job in this area and I feel a little e...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c71-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, was pleased to add my name to this important amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lo...
Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 735 c70-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Armstrong, and I have appended my name to the amendment tha...
Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 735 c68-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move the amendment standing in my name and in the names of the noble Baroness, La...
Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 735 c68 (Link to this contribution) 49: Clause 58, page 42, line 3, leave out ““and”” and insert ““or (iii) at any time when Parliament ...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 735 c67 (Link to this contribution) When the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, said that I was on to a hopeless cause, I thought of not pushing it...
Lord Henley | 735 c67-8 (Link to this contribution) 46: Schedule 4, page 138, line 45, at end insert— ““( ) In sub-paragraph (5)(d) the reference to arr...
Lord Wills | 735 c66 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister, who is genuinely trying to offer reassurance on these issues. I ...
Earl Attlee | 735 c66-7 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords. Where I am making the absolute commitment is to monitor the effect of rogue ticketing ...
Lord Lucas | 735 c65 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, why would it be any different for the policeman if a barrier had been placed across his ca...
Earl Attlee | 735 c65-6 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes a very good point. The policeman would have to take that risk. However, he woul...
Earl Attlee | 735 c63-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have already debated these issues at some length in Committee and I am grateful to nobl...
Lord Lucas | 735 c63 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am thoroughly in favour of Amendment 42, or at least the intention behind it. It is quit...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 735 c58 (Link to this contribution) 42: Clause 54, page 40, line 24, at end insert— ““if there is no charge for unauthorised parking or ...
Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 735 c58-61 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 42 I shall speak also to Amendments 43, 44, 45, 47 and 48. I confess t...
Lord Rosser | 735 c61-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lady Hayter of Kentish Town has set out the arguments in favour of these a...
Baroness Randerson | 735 c62 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not share all the noble Baroness’s concerns but still remain concerned about some asp...
Lord Rosser | 735 c54-5 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to remember which one it was. As the Minister has asked me which one it was, I intend to...
Lord Henley | 735 c58 (Link to this contribution) 38: Clause 44, page 35, line 24, after ““41”” insert ““which neither amends nor repeals any provisio...
Lord Henley | 735 c58 (Link to this contribution) 40: Clause 49, page 38, line 31, after second ““the”” insert ““alteration or”” Amendment 40 agreed....
Lord Henley | 735 c58 (Link to this contribution) 41: Schedule 3, page 127, line 22, after second ““the”” insert ““alteration or”” Amendment 41 agree...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 735 c111-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Bichard. I want to concentrate on th...
Baroness Walmsley | 735 c110-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Harris of Haringey, has made some very good points. He asked whether ...
Lord Henley | 735 c113-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, asked that I should take particular note of what the noble Lo...
Bishop of Chichester | 735 c112-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, could I perhaps add to what the noble and learned Baroness has just said? Obviously, from ...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 735 c112 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I do not sound a discordant note if I congratulate the Government on the fact ...
Baroness D'Souza | 735 c108 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should advise the House that if Amendment 50 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendments 50A ...
Lord Rosser | 735 c108-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments in this group remove the distinction that the Bill makes between supervised...
Lord Bichard | 735 c107 (Link to this contribution) 50: Clause 64, page 51, leave out lines 22 to 24
Lord Bichard | 735 c107-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendments 53 and 54 in my name and in the name of the noble Barones...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 735 c109-10 (Link to this contribution) It is unfortunate that we are debating these amendments at this time of night in a fairly sparse Cha...
Lord Lucas | 735 c83 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I very much look forward to reading the report tomorrow. I support the direction that the ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c85 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to all noble Lords who have participated in this short debate for their very positive ...
Lord Henley | 735 c83-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps the House will welcome my intervention at this stage. I echo the words of the nobl...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c86 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for that assurance, in view of which it would be wrong of me to p...
Lord Henley | 735 c85-6 (Link to this contribution) I was trying to give an assurance that, although I cannot speak for the House, the noble Baroness wo...
Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 735 c74-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to express my gratitude to the noble Lord for taking the time to talk about t...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c75-6 (Link to this contribution) 49A: Before Clause 64, insert the following new Clause— ““Protection from stalking (1) The Protectio...
Baroness Brinton | 735 c79-82 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to speak to all three amendments in the group. Stalking is a heinous crime that cur...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 735 c82-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, I have also been involved with this committee, whic...
Lord Henley | 735 c114 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness has caught me out and has got the letter that I wrote. I shall have to look again...
Baroness Randerson | 735 c114 (Link to this contribution) To clarify the situation, my recollection of the Minister’s letter is that he would be covered in a ...
Lord Henley | 735 c114 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if my letter—written with the great authority of myself—said that he would not, obviously ...
Baroness Browning | 735 c50-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise very briefly to endorse what noble Lords have said about the seriousness of metal t...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 735 c49-50 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 37A, tabled by my noble friends Lady Royall and Lord Ros...
Lord Rosser | 735 c48-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the purpose of this amendment is to provide for strengthened and new powers of entry for t...
Lord Rosser | 735 c47-8 (Link to this contribution) 37A: After Clause 41, insert the following new Clause— ““Rewriting powers of entry to address metal ...
Lord Marlesford | 735 c34-5 (Link to this contribution) 37ZB: Clause 40, page 33, line 33, at end insert— ““(4) A further safeguard shall be that, notwithst...
Lord Marlesford | 735 c31 (Link to this contribution) Of course, if people do not like what our courts say, they go to the European Court of Human Rights....
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 735 c31 (Link to this contribution) I was not going to do that; I was going to point out that the remedy is in our courts, not in Strasb...
Lord Marlesford | 735 c30-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank everyone who has taken part in this interesting and useful debate. I was drawn to ...
Lord Henley | 735 c27-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we return to an issue that my noble friend discussed in some detail in Committee. He has b...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c27 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Human Rights Act is an extremely important Act which provides the safeguards that the ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 735 c27 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Baroness not satisfied that the Human Rights Act, which her Government introduced, ensu...
Lord Rosser | 735 c54 (Link to this contribution) The Minister asked me where my figure on the cost of metal theft, at £1 billion a year, came from. I...
Lord Henley | 735 c54 (Link to this contribution) Is the noble Lord prepared to mention which newspaper he relies on?
Lord Henley | 735 c54 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have cashless in the LASPO Bill and I hope that it will deal with this problem. We hav...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 735 c53 (Link to this contribution) Are we absolutely sure that we are not driving this business into the hands of the cowboys?
Lord Henley | 735 c53 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is not a panic response. It has been discussed in this House and in another place on ...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 735 c54 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is half right: I attempted to get cashless into this Bill and was told that I could n...
Lord Henley | 735 c53-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I could refer the noble Lord to discussions that I have had with other people in the indus...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 735 c51 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, following on from what the noble Baroness, Lady Browning, said about this being organised ...
Bishop of Chichester | 735 c51 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, from these Benches, I want very briefly to give my whole-hearted support to this amendment...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 735 c53 (Link to this contribution) I understand that there has been some consultation on the proposal for a cashless arrangement. What ...
Lord Henley | 735 c51-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken. I will start by referring to the re...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 735 c20-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights. We reported on this Bill last Octobe...
Baroness Eaton | 735 c18-20 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I declare an interest as a vice-president of the Trading Standards Institute and of the Lo...
Lord Scott of Foscote | 735 c15-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an important series of amendments. In particular, the first proposed amendment see...
Lord Borrie | 735 c15 (Link to this contribution) One has to examine the word need. Trading standards officers are given powers by various statutes fo...
Lord Butler of Brockwell | 735 c15 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, could he give the House an example of a situation in which a tradin...
Lord Borrie | 735 c14-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I declare an interest as having been honorary president of the Trading Standards In...
Lord Marlesford | 735 c11-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 37ZA, and speaking to Amendments 37ZB and 37ZC, on powers of entry, I ...
Lord Selsdon | 735 c26 (Link to this contribution) They telephoned me back and were extraordinarily helpful. We are going to meet. I had not realised t...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c25-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Selsdon, who raises a very important issue in relati...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c26 (Link to this contribution) Good. It is important to recognise the rights of premises owners and occupiers when it comes to the...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 735 c21-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would have wanted to vote for the noble Lord’s first amendment, but I can see that there...
Lord Cope of Berkeley | 735 c22 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, have sympathy with my noble friend Lord Marlesford’s amendment in principle. At th...
Lord Stewartby | 735 c23 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to add only a small footnote. I begin by expressing our gratitude to the noble Lord...
Earl of Erroll | 735 c25 (Link to this contribution) The point about passing at least two of these amendments is that at least we can come back and tidy ...
Lord Selsdon | 735 c23-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I may be able to help the House. This has been a 10-year journey for me. Three...
Lord Wills | 735 c62-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Hayter on this matter. I should declare an interest as some...
Baroness Walmsley | 735 c114 (Link to this contribution) In a letter to the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson, of 1 February, the noble Lord suggested that an I...
Lord Henley | 735 c73-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as regards the three questions put by my noble friend Lady Hamwee I hope that I can deal w...
Lord Marlesford | 735 c11 (Link to this contribution) 37ZA: Clause 40, page 33, line 33, at end insert— ““(3) A further safeguard shall be that, unless ex...
Baroness Hamwee | 735 c22-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry not to be able to support what the noble Lord, Lord Marlesford, has described a...
Baroness Hamwee | 735 c118 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at the risk of straining my noble friend’s patience—he has been very patient—he offered to...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 735 c76-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 49A, I wish also to speak to Amendments 49B and 49C, and to do so with...
Lord Vinson | 735 c23 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first I apologise to the House for arriving late; my train was very late. I was particular...

Subjects

Children
Criminal records
Devolved matters
Appeals
Detainees
Employment
Immobilisation of vehicles
Legislation
Harassment
Motor vehicles
Parking
Powers of entry
Personal records
Protection
Metals
Vetting
Terrorism
Security
Right of search
Theft
Stalking

Legislation

Protection of Freedoms Bill 2010-12

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