Health and Social Care Bill. Lords committee stage tenth day. Clauses 28 to 48 agreed to. Schedule 3 agreed to.
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Constitution Select Committee (HL) eighteenth report on the Health and Social Care Bill.
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Nineteenth report on: Health and Social Care Bill; London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games (Amendment) Bill; Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill. (Lords Minutes).
Friday, 14 October 2011
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Northover | 733 c522 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that, one way or another, I am going to disappoint: I am going to disappoint the n...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 733 c518 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, support this suite of amendments. I shall speak only briefly, not in favour of a reinvigorat...
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Lord Warner | 733 c516-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the thrust of most of the amendments in this group and have added my name to Ame...
Lord Beecham | 733 c519-22 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is clearly a broad and deep consensus in the House that the general direction of the...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c518-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name is to Amendment 339. The other amendments have been spoken to most eloquently, hav...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 733 c513-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I warmly support this clutch of amendments relating to the future of the public health ser...
Lord Patel | 733 c509-13 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, while the House settles down, I thought I might tell your Lordships what a hazardous journ...
Baroness Jolly | 733 c515-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to underpin much of what has already been said, so I will say it very briefly. The ...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 733 c514-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to support these amendments generally from the point of view of the tremendou...
Lord Patel | 733 c509 (Link to this contribution)
225: Clause 27, page 55, line 33, leave out ““acting jointly with”” and insert ““with the approval o...
Baroness Northover | 733 c532 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are always sympathetic to all sorts of amendments, and the fact that we take away amend...
Lord Beecham | 733 c530-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, again I have a great deal of sympathy with the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Pat...
Lord Ribeiro | 733 c533 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I seek clarification because the noble Baroness, Lady Emerton, has just referred to a whol...
Baroness Emerton | 733 c532-3 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise to the Minister; I was waiting to speak to my Amendment 236ZA. The issue of voluntary se...
Baroness Emerton | 733 c535 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister and look forward to seeing the regulations.
Baroness Northover | 733 c533-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments address the response to emergencies. We agree entirely that dealing quick...
Lord Patel | 733 c527 (Link to this contribution)
227: Clause 27, page 56, line 4, at end insert—
““( ) the exercise of the authority’s functions in r...
Lord Patel | 733 c527-8 (Link to this contribution)
In this group of amendments, Amendments 227 and 235 are particularly concerned with accountability i...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 733 c529-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a number of amendments in this group as well, in particular Amendments 238, 237B, 2...
Baroness Northover | 733 c526 (Link to this contribution)
I am more than happy to write to the noble Lord about those areas.
Lord Warner | 733 c525-6 (Link to this contribution)
Can the noble Baroness write to us about central government approval of people who are employees of ...
Baroness Northover | 733 c522-5 (Link to this contribution)
As a former Minister, the noble Lord, Lord Warner, will be familiar with how—much more familiar than...
Lord Patel | 733 c526-7 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for her detailed answer. I know that this is a complicated group of amendments,...
Baroness Northover | 733 c526 (Link to this contribution)
I thank noble Lords for being so willing to receive letters about the areas that they are concerned ...
Baroness Cumberlege | 733 c526 (Link to this contribution)
I thought we were going to debate Amendment 260 later today and I would like to take part in that de...
Lord Beecham | 733 c526 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps the Minister, if not today then subsequently, could address her mind to the significant issu...
Lord Beecham | 733 c522 (Link to this contribution)
I am quite prepared to be made fond of the noble Baroness.
Baroness Northover | 733 c522 (Link to this contribution)
I am absolutely delighted.
In answer to the noble Lord, Lord Warner, it may be that the version of ...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 733 c535 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister writes to the noble Lord, Lord Ribeiro, with a definition of emergency, could sh...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c536 (Link to this contribution)
236A: Clause 30, page 58, line 11, at end insert—
““(3) This section comes into force on a date to b...
Lord Patel | 733 c535 (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 227 withdrawn.
Amendments 228 to 234A not moved.
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Lord Rea | 733 c539-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I oppose Clause 31 which concerns the abolition of primary care trusts. My noble friend ha...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c536-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these amendments are grouped around the structure of the National Health Service and certa...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c543-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have one amendment in this group and have added my name in opposition to Clause 31 stand...
Lord Mawhinney | 733 c540-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, last Wednesday we spent some considerable time talking about the merits of clustering. I s...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 733 c535 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister. I will spend many happy hours working my way through every possible legal comp...
Lord Warner | 733 c545-8 (Link to this contribution)
I suggest that this group of amendments has been provoked by the extremely unconvincing nature of th...
Earl Howe | 733 c555-6 (Link to this contribution)
The clustering is a clustering of the boards. In other words, there is one board serving two or thre...
Lord Mawhinney | 733 c555 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend knows that three months ago in the Peterborough PCT there was a non-executive chairm...
Earl Howe | 733 c553-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Clauses 30 and 31 abolish strategic health authorities and primary care trusts and remove ...
Baroness Murphy | 733 c551-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, apart from the postgraduate dean amendments, the rest of the amendments in this group in e...
Earl Howe | 733 c556-8 (Link to this contribution)
My noble friend refers to the current legal position—that a non-executive director can leave his or ...
Lord Beecham | 733 c556 (Link to this contribution)
Would the Minister care to reply to the rather disturbing question of the noble Lord, Lord Mawhinney...
Earl Howe | 733 c556 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my point was that such conflicts have been managed in the past and can be easily managed i...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 733 c550-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak briefly. First, I remind the Committee that when I spoke on a related matter ...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 733 c548-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendments 236AA and 236AAA. As I listened to the noble Lord, Lor...
Earl Baldwin of Bewdley | 733 c565-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support what the Government are doing here, though with some reluctance, for reasons tha...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c564-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we come to a no less interesting subject than the issue of fluoridation of the water suppl...
Baroness Eaton | 733 c567-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like the noble Earl, Lord Baldwin, I feel that there is an improvement in the fact that fl...
Lord Warner | 733 c560 (Link to this contribution)
Could the Minister give us an assurance that before Report he will give us some idea of the extent t...
Earl Howe | 733 c559 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the rules apply on transfer of employment, and we anticipate that around 60 per cent of PC...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c560-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a very interesting and instructive debate. I should tell the noble Earl, Lor...
Earl Howe | 733 c560 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the SHAs have already published their plans for delivering the Nicholson challenge and tho...
Lord Warner | 733 c558 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt, but I am really bemused by what the noble Earl has just said about the acco...
Lord Rea | 733 c559 (Link to this contribution)
The staff of PCTs below management level are going to be rather disappointed that the Minister did n...
Earl Howe | 733 c558-9 (Link to this contribution)
It is accountable for its decisions at a regional or sub-national level in a real sense. If it was n...
Baroness Barker | 733 c596-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 237A, which is in my name. The justification for this legislati...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 733 c595-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 237, a probing amendment concerning independent mental health a...
Lord Alderdice | 733 c594-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Patel of Bradford. The Minister will know ...
Lord Adebowale | 733 c593-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Patel of Bradford. I should fi...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 733 c589-93 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I believe that I speak with some authority in proposing this amendment as a former chair o...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 733 c588-9 (Link to this contribution)
236B: Clause 37, leave out Clause 37 and insert the following new Clause—
““After-care
(1) Section 1...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 733 c572 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, the noble Lord, Lord Colwyn, and the noble Baron...
Baroness Northover | 733 c570-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, let me first set out the Government’s position on fluoridation. The Government’s policy is...
Lord Colwyn | 733 c570 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend Lady Gardner reminds me of how I used to practise. It is not a lot of fun ...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 733 c568-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, when I saw that the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, was moving that this clause not stand part, I c...
Baroness Meacher | 733 c597-8 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise to the Committee and to the Minister for not being present in these debates. However, I ...
Baroness Murphy | 733 c598-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it will be no surprise for you to hear me say that I support all the amendments in this gr...
Baroness Hollins | 733 c599 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support these amendments. I was president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists when the...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 733 c599-600 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I in no way want to detract from the debate that has already taken place, and I am gratefu...
Baroness Jolly | 733 c600-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to add something on Clause 51 stand part. I am sorry that it is not where we expect...
Baroness Thornton | 733 c601 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, what links the two parts of this debate are the unintended consequences and the need for s...
Baroness Northover | 733 c601-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, noble Lords have spoken passionately about the need to support patients who are particular...
Baroness Northover | 733 c604-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am happy to cover both those eventualities in the discussions. Moving on to Clause 51 co...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 733 c605-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for her response. I am particularly grateful to noble Lords...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 733 c606 (Link to this contribution)
The clause actually says—again, I am not a lawyer; I am looking at this in layman’s terms—that you d...
Baroness Thornton | 733 c607 (Link to this contribution)
239: Clause 46, page 80, line 2, at end insert—
““( ) In exercising functions under subsections (1) ...
Baroness Thornton | 733 c607-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this small group of probing amendments concerns itself with primary care services and the ...
Baroness Northover | 733 c606-7 (Link to this contribution)
I repeat my invitation. The noble Lord makes a cogent case. I invite him to come into the department...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 733 c607 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness is almost as persuasive as the noble Earl. I gratefully accept the invitation, an...
Earl Howe | 733 c609-10 (Link to this contribution)
I would be happy to write to the noble Baroness in the interests of time, but I was about to explain...
Lord Warner | 733 c610 (Link to this contribution)
Can the Minister explain something to us, if necessary in writing in order not to detain the House. ...
Earl Howe | 733 c608-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 239 raises the issue of performance management of the board. Noble Lords will re...
Baroness Thornton | 733 c609 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister mentioned field forces that will help to make this work, and I can see that that will a...
Earl Howe | 733 c610 (Link to this contribution)
I undertake to write to noble Lords about that, and I agree that it is an important matter.
Baroness Thornton | 733 c610 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that answer. We will return to discuss issues about the community pharmacie...
Baroness Cumberlege | 733 c515 (Link to this contribution)
I support a number of these amendments. Indeed, my name is harnessed to them. When the Minister wrot...
Lord Patel | 733 c535 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank noble Lords who took part in this debate. As I said in my opening remarks, the ame...
Lord Warner | 733 c522 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for giving way. I encourage her to reflect on what she might experience i...
Baroness Northover | 733 c535 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will write to noble Lords if it is not that wide a definition, but my assumption is that...
Baroness Northover | 733 c606 (Link to this contribution)
I did not directly address the Stennett case and I must do so. The Stennett case indeed makes clear ...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 733 c556 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that we are talking about conflicts of interest in two different senses. My proble...
Baroness Barker | 733 c603-4 (Link to this contribution)
I understand entirely my noble friend’s response to my amendment. I am very pleased with that. No do...
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